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I don't know if anyone would take any interest in this or not, but I figured I'd let you guys know about the documentary film I'm producing/directing. You can check out the website at http://www.candid-world.com
We're also set up to take donations if you feel so inclined :-)
Let me know what you think!
dont exactly understand what it is about. maybe because i read it wrong or it could be im half asleep. would you mind telling me what it is about
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Ok this might be somewhat lengthy, but I'm gonna try to set the scene the best I can.Quote:
Originally posted by social_d_fan01:
dont exactly understand what it is about. maybe because i read it wrong or it could be im half asleep. would you mind telling me what it is about
There are people out there that are of the opinion that "freedom" means you can do whatever it is you want as long as you don't harm anyone else. While initially most people think they agree with this, a lot of them donn't really. They think you can do what you want but maybe guns scare them. So they think there should be restrictions on guns. Or maybe they think drugs should be illegal. Prostitution too. And of course people that make more money should help out those that don't make as much, so to ensure that they do, the government should take it from those people and spend it on programs to help other people.
It's on both sides of the political spectrum, left and right. Typically Republicans favor individual freedom on issues regarding money, but not on social issues and the Democrats are the opposite.
There's a minority of people that truly believe you should be free to do whatever you want with your own life and property. The only restriction being you don't harm anyone else's life or property. While they may have some of the same concerns about drugs, the poor, guns, etc they don't think force is ever the answer. And that's what government is: force. If you don't pay your taxes, if you do drugs and get caught, you can be sure that at some point a police officer with a gun will force you to do what they say. These people believe there are other voluntary ways of fixing our problems and that when you try to use force to fix them, it only makes the problems bigger.
The Free State Project is an effort to get 20,000 people that think like this to all move to NH and try and create a society of that sort there. The problem is, while they all agree on the type of society they want, they don't all agree on what the best way is to get there. Not to mention the people that already live there that don't neccesarily agree with their point of view.
So it makes for a very interesting story and raises some interesting political questions, but can be done in a narrative style rather than your typical Michael Moore type political film that just talks about the issues.
Sorry that was so long, hope it makes things a bit clearer.
Do you have any timetable as far as completion; I guess what I'm asking is what phase of the making are you in right now? Because I'm a real nerd for this sort of thing; I guess you could say I get 'emotionally invested' in documentaries.
I'm very impressed that you've decided to do this without government grants/ funding. I don't know if this was to preserve the integrity of it but it does make it seem all the more on the level to me, not your typical "this is what I believe (or am paid to believe) and now I'm going to con you into swallowing it as fact" bullshit propaganda.
My donation is meager (because my pay is meager!) but I'm passing this site along to some people that not only would be interested but pull in much better coin than I.
That looks awesome. You definitley found a controversial and compelling issue to cover.
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">We're in the pre-production phase right now but since its an indy thing its kind of weird. We're going to NH on Feb 11th to do some scouting but there's some events happening that we will film as part of the scouting. Some good stuff might come out of it that we could use, but we're not officially shooting until we've raised the budget to get all the goodies we want to really make it look good.Quote:
Originally posted by PainWillBeMyMotivation:
Do you have any timetable as far as completion; I guess what I'm asking is what phase of the making are you in right now? Because I'm a real nerd for this sort of thing; I guess you could say I get 'emotionally invested' in documentaries.
I'm very impressed that you've decided to do this without government grants/ funding. I don't know if this was to preserve the integrity of it but it does make it seem all the more on the level to me, not your typical "this is what I believe (or am paid to believe) and now I'm going to con you into swallowing it as fact" bullshit propaganda.
My donation is meager (because my pay is meager!) but I'm passing this site along to some people that not only would be interested but pull in much better coin than I.
I won't take government grants for two reasons. One is on principle, I believe if the free market really wants this film, they will fund it. I also don't believe its the governments job to take other people's money from them by force and give it to me to make a movie. Its my job to raise.
The second reason is that government grants take forever to go through and they slap a bunch of restrictions of what you can and can't do with the money. It usually only comes in about $2,000 chunks, which totally isn't worth it. I'd rather raise my own funds through the help of good people like yourself and be free to operate however I need to. I appreciate you getting the word out for me! Also, if you contributed through the site, it hasn't sent me an email about it or registered on paypal. You might want to look into it to make sure nothing went wrong and your money didn't end up somewhere else.
Thanks again! Help in any form is always appreciated.
Sorry, also forgot to mention the timetable. With docs its always somewhat uncertain b/c its not a controlled environment. But once we have the budget raised production should be done in no more than 6 months and post should be done in three.
It really shouldn't take that long, but we all work other jobs and this is something we're going the extra mile for, so it takes a little bit longer.
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Mistake on my part! I got it taken care of; I had to use my wife's PayPal account due to my cancellation of my credit card which was stolen last week (i'm opposed to the freedom to steal my wallet and for the freedom to kick this guy's ass if he's caught!)but you should have it now.Quote:
Originally posted by hour_of_darkness:
...Also, if you contributed through the site, it hasn't sent me an email about it or registered on paypal. You might want to look into it to make sure nothing went wrong and your money didn't end up somewhere else.
Thanks again! Help in any form is always appreciated.
Sorry for the confusion. Hopefully I can drum up some support for you and then the people I tell will tell other people and so on...
Thanks dude. I'm assuming your wife is whom I just sent a thank you email to! haha.
Just in case word doesn't get your way, thanks again. Very much appreciated, couldn't do it without support from people like yourself!
oh i see sounds interesting
This looks like something I'd be really interested in seeing. I'm interested in politics and have done a lot of reading on libertarian philosophy over the last year. Kudos for taking on the project; I bet you've met a lot of interesting people. Keep us posted!
good luck, sounds like a great project....
love to see it take off....( your doc, and the NH land grab)
freedom is one thing to obtain... but how will we ever get rid of greed, jealousy, envy, prejudice, ego,and all those other traits that are sure to follow us wherever we roam. i've been on the fringes of western society groups that pretty much ignored alot of law enforcement.( hardcore, not weekend warrior) deadheads, bikers, ravers, burning man, all have alot of freedom, and all have assholes who can't play nice with others...
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Greed will never go away, however greed is a good thing that keeps the economy going. Most people mistake the EVILS of capitialism being greed that leads to big business.Quote:
Originally posted by tattguy:
good luck, sounds like a great project....
love to see it take off....( your doc, and the NH land grab)
freedom is one thing to obtain... but how will we ever get rid of greed, jealousy, envy, prejudice, ego,and all those other traits that are sure to follow us wherever we roam. i've been on the fringes of western society groups that pretty much ignored alot of law enforcement.( hardcore, not weekend warrior) deadheads, bikers, ravers, burning man, all have alot of freedom, and all have assholes who can't play nice with others...
The only time greed is bad is when greedy people are given an unfair advantage over others by the government. Most regulations that exist on business don't exist to protect consumers like people are lead to beleive. The exist because businesses with enough money to withstand them have funded politicians to support those regulations because it eliminates the smaller businesses trying to compete with them because they can't get up to regulation standards.
Then after they get their regulations, big businesses recoup their expenses by getting tax cuts passed.
So the bully wasn't able to be a bully until the government helped it. As far as people breaking laws, unless they are directly harming another individual's life, liberty or property it probably shouldn't be a law anyway. If they are harming life, liberty and property that is the one legitimate role of government, to deal with that. Funny that it is the one thing governments hardly ever do.
In short the answer to your question is to reduce the size of government and make sure it doesn't grow back. People can be greedy, but without the government helping them they can't grab control.
Thanks for the kind words about the project as well!
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">What kind of stuff have you been reading? Anything by Harry Browne is a great read. Michael Badnarik's "Good to be King" is good as well, though I don't agree with some of the stuff he says. His chapter on rights vs priviliges is excellent though. That can actually be downloaded for free at this site: http://constitutionpreservation.org/book.htmlQuote:
Originally posted by El Gato Grande:
This looks like something I'd be really interested in seeing. I'm interested in politics and have done a lot of reading on libertarian philosophy over the last year. Kudos for taking on the project; I bet you've met a lot of interesting people. Keep us posted!
Michael Badnarik is also participating in the film as sort of narrator. Looking forward to that!
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">We will never get rid of those things. The key to controlling them is personal responsibility and accountability for one's own actions. For too long we as a society have depended on the government to take care of these things for us -- most likely because we've gotten so far away from what this country was intended to be, people simply don't know any better. If we cannot control ourselves to the extent that we are peaceful, morally upright, and prosperous, that is our failure as a people and as a nation. We cannot expect the government to correct and control for every shortcoming of human nature.Quote:
Originally posted by tattguy:
good luck, sounds like a great project....
love to see it take off....( your doc, and the NH land grab)
freedom is one thing to obtain... but how will we ever get rid of greed, jealousy, envy, prejudice, ego,and all those other traits that are sure to follow us wherever we roam.
I could rant on forever about this, but I think you get my point here. [img]smile.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">I've been reading a range of stuff lately. I don't think I've seen anything by Harry Browne, so I'll have to keep an eye out for that. I'd like to get a hold of a really good book about Thomas Jefferson. That's cool that Michael Badnarik is participating in your project. What do you think about his politics? Personally, I'm not sold on the guy as being a key figure in the Libertarian party. I've read that there are some inaccuracies/misinterpretations in his book that other Libertarians have brought to light. In fact, there is actually some question as to whether he's really Libertarian rather than some form of a Constitutionalist. I watched the 2004 Libertarian party debates on C-Span and was surprised that he pulled out the nomination. Then again, I don't think they've had a really strong candidate to legitimize the party as a serious player. What I'd like to see is a strong figure that Libertarians, as well as average Americans, would want to rally behind. Someone who, instead of simply representing some sort of movement, can present the party as one with practical solutions for the every day American. Until we have that, it will only be an idea, and America will continue to be held hostage by the two-party system.Quote:
Originally posted by hour_of_darkness:
What kind of stuff have you been reading? Anything by Harry Browne is a great read. Michael Badnarik's "Good to be King" is good as well, though I don't agree with some of the stuff he says. His chapter on rights vs priviliges is excellent though. That can actually be downloaded for free at this site: http://constitutionpreservation.org/book.html
Michael Badnarik is also participating in the film as sort of narrator. Looking forward to that!
<font color="#FFFF00" size="1">[ February 05, 2006 11:37 AM: Message edited by: El Gato Grande ]</font>
I also wanted to mention that I don't think that the Presidential election is important. Even if we elected a Libertarian President that united the party and America, we would still have Republicans and Democrats in Congress. What we would have is a stalemate of ideas. The growth of government would slow down, but its size would not reduce.
I think the key is to focus on the House and even state and local politics to begin with. Many Libertarians have won local offices and have made progress at the local level. If we can get a Libertarian governor or mayor and illustrate success at that level, it will set a great example. If we get Libertarians into Congress, then there is chance to make change at the Federal level, especially if there is a Libertarian President at one point.
But it's also important to note that just because there is a Libertarian in office, doesn't mean we don't still need to scrutinize their activity and make sure they govern to their principles. Power can corrupt anyone, Libertarians included.
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">I've been reading a range of stuff lately. I don't think I've seen anything by Harry Browne, so I'll have to keep an eye out for that. I'd like to get a hold of a really good book about Thomas Jefferson. That's cool that Michael Badnarik is participating in your project. What do you think about his politics? Personally, I'm not sold on the guy as being a key figure in the Libertarian party. I've read that there are some inaccuracies/misinterpretations in his book that other Libertarians have brought to light. In fact, there is actually some question as to whether he's really Libertarian rather than some form of a Constitutionalist. I watched the 2004 Libertarian party debates on C-Span and was surprised that he pulled out the nomination. Then again, I don't think they've had a really strong candidate to legitimize the party as a serious player. What I'd like to see is a strong figure that Libertarians, as well as average Americans, would want to rally behind. Someone who, instead of simply representing some sort of movement, can present the party as one with practical solutions for the every day American. Until we have that, it will only be an idea, and America will continue to be held hostage by the two-party system.Quote:
Originally posted by El Gato Grande:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana, arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Originally posted by hour_of_darkness:
What kind of stuff have you been reading? Anything by Harry Browne is a great read. Michael Badnarik's "Good to be King" is good as well, though I don't agree with some of the stuff he says. His chapter on rights vs priviliges is excellent though. That can actually be downloaded for free at this site: http://constitutionpreservation.org/book.html
Michael Badnarik is also participating in the film as sort of narrator. Looking forward to that!
<font color="#FFFF00"><font size="1">[ February 05, 2006 11:37 AM: Message edited by: El Gato Grande ]</font></font></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana, arial">I agree with you about Michael Badnarik, there are areas where him and I disagree. I wouldn't go as far as to say that he is not a Libertarian, but he is somewhat on the fringe. I think he is a compelling speaker and has presence in a room, which is good for film. As far as a leader to rally behind goes, I think he's the closest thing the party has. They've been trying to get Penn Gillette of Penn and Teller to run, but it looks that isn't going to happen.
Also, I couldn't agree more with your previous comment about our failure as a people and the government not being able to fix that. You worded that perfectly.
The trailer for this is finally complete and up at the website: www.candid-world.com (The site has a nice new look!)
Go to Multimedia, then click trailer. Let me know what you think and a great big thank you to the people on this board that threw us a few bucks to help us make this!
are you gonna make a movie about mike ness instead
For all the might be McCain voters, check out libertarian candidate Bob Barr.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
<font color="#FFFF00" size="1">[ May 12, 2008 09:41 PM: Message edited by: two drink minimum ]</font>
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Ha, you love trying to split the vote! I'm still undecided about Barr...Quote:
Originally posted by two drink minimum:
For all the might be McCain voters, check out libertarian candidate Bob Barr.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
<font color="#FFFF00"><font size="1">[ May 12, 2008 09:41 PM: Message edited by: two drink minimum ]</font></font>
I like the name recognition and the polished approach. Don't like the inconsistencies (seemingly lack of principle) and the overall typical sleaze-bag politician taste he leaves in my mouth.
Really conflicted about him. The trailer is now on youtube with better quality video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3zzjubBNZf8
Did you give it a watch?
<font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Ha, you love trying to split the vote! I'm still undecided about Barr...Quote:
Originally posted by hour_of_darkness:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana, arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Originally posted by two drink minimum:
For all the might be McCain voters, check out libertarian candidate Bob Barr.
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
<font color="#FFFF00"><font size="1">[ May 12, 2008 09:41 PM: Message edited by: two drink minimum ]</font></font>
I like the name recognition and the polished approach. Don't like the inconsistencies (seemingly lack of principle) and the overall typical sleaze-bag politician taste he leaves in my mouth.
Really conflicted about him. The trailer is now on youtube with better quality video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3zzjubBNZf8
Did you give it a watch?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Looks really professional. Best of luck with it. Yay for civil liberties.