Let's quarantine the Muslims!

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February 9th, 2007, 02:56 PM
craig in northside

This from a Canadian posted on girlontheright.com

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A MUSLIM doctors' leader has provoked an outcry by urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella because it is "un-Islamic".

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, is telling Muslims that almost all vaccines contain products derived from animal and human tissue, which make them "haram", or unlawful for Muslims to take.
Islam permits only the consumption of halal products, where the animal has had its throat cut and bled to death while God's name is invoked.

Islam also forbids the eating of any pig meat, which Katme says is another reason why vaccines should be avoided, as some contain or have been made using pork-based gelatine.

I was sitting in my doctor's office a couple of months back, and I noticed a poster on her wall about child vaccinations. It said that by law, all kids had to be vaccinted before they would be allowed in Ontario public schools. Makes sense to me. What's the point in having my kid vaccinated if the kid he or she sits next to is carrying polio or mumps? My kid is still going to end up getting sick. Anyhow, at the bottom of this poster was a note saying that if you did not wish to have your child vaccinated for personal or religious reasons (which pretty much covers laziness, which would be a personal reason), then you had to call the Ministry of Health for an exception. What good does that do? My little Bobby has to sit next to a filthy and diseased Mohammed or Fatima, just because their parents don't believe in preventing polio??

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There is already evidence of lower than average vaccination rates in Muslim areas, reducing the prospect of the "herd immunity" needed to curb infectious diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella.
Katme's appeal reflects a global movement by some hardline Islamic leaders who are telling followers to refuse vaccines from the West.

In Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and parts of India, Muslims have refused to be immunised against polio after being told that the vaccines contain products that the West has deliberately added to make the recipients infertile.

Katme said he was bringing the message to Britain after analysing the products used for the manufacture of the vaccines.

Right. Health and science is haram to people living in the seventh century. Whatever. Islam is a cult that embraces death, so if they don't want to protect their kids from possible fatal diseases, that's their choice. But that means I have to be doubly cautious where my own (hypothetical) children are concerned. I guess I can't let them go to public school with these little disease-bags, right? And what about just going to a movie, or riding a crowded subway? I'm not going to keep my (hypothetical) Mary or Scotty locked up because Ahmed has TB. I say, lock up Ahmed!

The Muslims have found one more way to put our lives at risk. And this time they're going after our kids. Quarantine 'em. Don't let them out in society until they're clean enough not to pose a biological risk to our children. And if they want to emigrate here, instate an Ellis Island-style vaccination and quarantine system, or just don't let them in.

You are perfectly welcome to your religious views, but not at the sake of the health of others.

(as an aside, if while they are all in quarantine, the incidences of terror-related acts happen to decline markedly, remember that it's probably just a coincidence....)

[ February 09, 2007 10:59 AM: Message edited by: craig in northside ]
February 9th, 2007, 06:21 PM
LanDroid

Yeah, that's the way it works, that's why smallpox is completely gone except for a few vials that the U.S. and Russia maintain for <s>bio-weapon use</s> scientific purposes. The flu vaccine doesn't work perfectly because there are so many different types, but for the childhood diseases she's discussing, yep - take the vaccine and you're protected.

[ February 09, 2007 02:31 PM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]
February 9th, 2007, 07:53 PM
craig in northside

Yeah I guess that smallpox was eradicated by the vaccine.
Of course if the vacine didn't work, the smallpox eradicated the ones which the vacine didn't work on.
February 9th, 2007, 09:13 PM
LanDroid

OK so against mountains of evidence, you're claiming vaccines don't work. If that's true, then there's no need to quarantine Muslims. Our children will get infected because of ineffective vaccines regardless if Muslims immigrate or not with vaccinations or not.

On the other hand, if vaccines do work, there's still no reason to quarantine Muslims. Vaccines will protect our children against those who are infected.
February 10th, 2007, 04:08 AM
LanDroid

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What's the point in having my kid vaccinated if the kid he or she sits next to is carrying polio or mumps? My kid is still going to end up getting sick.

No, vaccines prevent the child from contracting the disease. That pretty much destroys her "logic".
February 10th, 2007, 04:47 AM
craig in northside

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Originally posted by LanDroid:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />What's the point in having my kid vaccinated if the kid he or she sits next to is carrying polio or mumps? My kid is still going to end up getting sick.

No, vaccines prevent the child from contracting the disease. That pretty much destroys her "logic".<hr /></blockquote>Yeah.
I guess all vacines are foolproof and no one has ever come down with the disease that they have been vacinated for.
Get a grip...
February 11th, 2007, 08:45 AM
jumper69

That has to be one of the most retarded ideas I've ever heard of.
February 11th, 2007, 09:40 AM
gae

Just a personal note, but all three of my children were vaccinated against chicken pox. All three got it, so there is some validity to Craig's argument.
February 11th, 2007, 01:58 PM
craig in northside

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Originally posted by gae:
Just a personal note, but all three of my children were vaccinated against chicken pox. All three got it, so there is some validity to Craig's argument.

Gee Lan-
Maybe modern medical science isn't perfect!
How come I'm allergic to cucumbers and you aren't?
Maybe different chemicals affect different people in different ways?
February 11th, 2007, 02:04 PM
craig in northside

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Originally posted by Law Dawg:
That has to be one of the most retarded ideas I've ever heard of.

I don't know, Jumper.
But if we quarantined all of the Muslims for refusing to submit to 20th Century ideals, maybe they wouldn't be able to to try to impose their 9th Century philosophy on the rest of us.
February 11th, 2007, 02:17 PM
gae

There are a lot of people in this country who have bought into the idea that vaccines are the cause of the rise in autusim.

Carry on with your arguments.
February 11th, 2007, 03:06 PM
LanDroid

Are you sure your kids were vaccinated GAE? The chickenpox vaccine wasn't available until about 12 years ago - I remember 'cause it was about 1 year after my son got it. But as I said before, the argument to quarantine doesn't hold water regardless if vaccines are effective or not - if they aren't, "Our children will get infected because of ineffective vaccines regardless if Muslims immigrate or not with vaccinations or not".

"But if we quarantined all of the Muslims for refusing to submit to 20th Century ideals, maybe they wouldn't be able to to try to impose their 9th Century philosophy on the rest of us."

Spoken like a pseudo-Libertarian / true-Authoritarian.
February 12th, 2007, 05:08 PM
gae

Yes. Lan, I'm sure. Erin was afflicted at about 6 months, but J & L both missed a few days of school. I no longer have the immunization records, but they couldn't start school (CPS) without the shots.

It's my understanding that the "new" vaccine is more effective than what my children had -- they are 30, 24 and 23. Maybe that's what you're thinking about?
February 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM
LanDroid

Actually I wasn't aware there was a chickenpox vaccine available before about 12 years ago...
February 12th, 2007, 08:27 PM
gae

No worries, Lan.

Let's get back to a good argument, OK?
February 14th, 2007, 01:28 PM
craig in northside

Here's another reason from atlasshrugs.com

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Salt Lake Shooter is Muslim
I know I'll be called a racist and islamophobe for stating the obvious - because these are the times we are living in - but the first thing I thought was, was this guy a Muslim? It's only natural. The lamestream media were quick to banter words like random around, and I am sure we are five minutes aawy from "mentally unstable" but you can't help but to consider the "lone jihadi/sudden jihad syndrome."

The neighbors say he was "a nice guy" a loner" - there we go.

?As you can see, this individual was well-prepared,? Burbank said, apparently referring to the young man?s backpack filled with ammunition ?He had one purpose.?

A BosnianMuslim no less. Clinton sent our boys over there to fight for the Muslims. Unbelievable. Which, BTW was an enormous mistake. We were clearly played like a fiddle. The US Government with NATO joined the Jihad on Kosovo.

Salt Lake City Killer Indentified As Bosnian Muslim

Killer identified as 18-year-old Solejman Talovic

The 18-year-old man who shot and killed at least five people Monday night at Trolley Square has been identified as Solejman Talovic, a Bosnian refugee who lived in Salt Lake City.

Little additional information was released about Talovic.

The Bosnian community, which numbers about 3,000 in Utah, planned a press conference later this afternoon.

Talovic parked his car in the west parking lot and walked into the mall, encountering two people, whom he shot. Then he walked further into the mall and shot a woman, said Police Chief Chris Burbank.

He then walked to a gift shop and shot five people. He shot several other people before he was gunned down by an off-duty Ogden police officer assisted by four Salt Lake City police officers, Burbank said.

He had a backpack that carried numerous rounds of ammunition as well as a .38-caliber handgun, said the chief.

What a "nice guy!"
February 14th, 2007, 07:02 PM
Lew

Lan-

here's the part Gae casually leaves out of the discussion. Sure, she had Erin immunized and vaccinated and Pasteurized and all that good stuff. But all those years I used to come onto this board and bitch about being single, and did she ever once, once, try to hook me up? Even introduce me? Absolutely not. If anything, you'd have thought I was a leper who needed to be quarantined. Now don't get me wrong, I'm happily married and love my wife. But, I was single, alone, cold and tired for many years, and Gae did nothing to try to help.

Now as for the topic at hand, it's simple- health trumps everything. I mean, when you think about it, it sorta kinda has to, right?

Now granted, we can argue the merits of vaccinations (and Gae alluded to autism rates, I've seen no data but I have actually heard that theory before). But let's assume that vaccinations do work (for the most part, there is always that 1% of anything), and let's say that the health of the student population would suffer if non-vaccinated kids were allowed in. If that's true, then I'm sorry, you're stuck.

I represented a client one time who suffered terrible allergic reactions to one of the vaccines (for the life of me I can't recall which one it was now). We tried to get an exemption for her to get into school, and we lost. Long story short, she got the vaccination, sustained her reaction, then got over it and went to school (the theory being, if she got the disease in school, she'd have the same reaction if not worse).

I'm not saying quarantine the muslim students, but as is, I have a problem letting them in the school.
February 16th, 2007, 09:35 AM
jumper69

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Originally posted by craig in northside:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Law Dawg:
That has to be one of the most retarded ideas I've ever heard of.

I don't know, Jumper.
But if we quarantined all of the Muslims for refusing to submit to 20th Century ideals, maybe they wouldn't be able to to try to impose their 9th Century philosophy on the rest of us.<hr /></blockquote>I said it's retarded because logistically it is impossible. I like the idea, it's just a pragmatic impossibility.
February 16th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Lew

And to follow-up one of Craig's points, why did it take so long to hear that the Salt Lake killer was Bosnian (and then later, Muslim)? No, of course it doesn't mean that you automatically assume this was part of some plot/conspiracy. Actually, you go into it presuming nothing, you gather facts and then make your conclusions. Even if he was Muslim, there's no indication (that I've seen, anyway) of how devout he was. I mean, let's face it, technically, Madonna is "Roman Catholic" but I don't belive the Pope is going to beatify her anytime soon.
February 25th, 2007, 08:21 AM
gae

A bit off topic, but still interesting.