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he had been suspended for the 2006 opener which has been the precedent set from Butler from UVa doing the same thing to Kiwi, which he got a 1 game suspension
they've met (coaching staff, vick, jim weaver and the Pres of VT) and agreed on a one game suspension
expect it to be announced within the next couple of weeks
I agree with it in one way and in another I don't. If Marcus had a pretty clean record then I would agree, but with his track record I would have liked to have seen a stiffer penalty. He is a talented athlete but the Hokies are stocked with other QB's that would suffice also.
i think it'll be one game b/c he'll sit out spring practice as well
Beamer needs to come down hard on him, make an example out of him."If you're going to play at VT, this is what you can expect if you misbehave." That message needs to go out across the land, that this type activity will not be tolerated at VT.
I'm afraid MV has had so many chances now, he is going to scoff and shrugg off any punishment he gets...unless its stiff enough to really get his attention.
Is that a game with Kent State?
it'll be either kent state or at fresno state
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UT would still lose.
Probably
atleast UT players dont attack other players on the field.
VT= Virginia Thugs
You are right, they attack no one at all. There are not many college teams that don't have a thug hidden on the team somewhere, many are not that obvious. I say give him the boot and give Cory Holt the pigskin.
haha shutup
hahahaha tennessee doesnt attack other people???!?!?!?!?!
you people dont follow football much do you...i remember there was a certain school who had 11 arrests in a year
here's an article for a refresher
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. "? Before University of Tennessee football players get a playbook, they get a Think Card. It is an orange card small enough to fit into their wallets. On the front it says, "THINK," followed by a series of questions designed to help the player assess his behavior and make the appropriate decision.
"It's embarrassing to our administration, to our fans, to our coaches, to me and to a large portion of the other kids," coach Phillip Fulmer said of the recent arrests.
By Ed Reinke, AP
On the back of the card are the home and cell phone numbers of the Tennessee coaching staff so players can call for help.
The Think Card is part of a safety net of counselors, tutors and role models the university has been constructing since 1995 after eight football players had run-ins with the law in a one-year span.
But during the last 16 months, players frequently have fallen through. Tennessee football players have been in at least 20 incidents involving shoplifting, assault, gun charges, motor vehicle citations, disturbing the peace and failing a drug test.
Even after coach Phillip Fulmer gathered his players for a meeting during spring practice in April and told them the bad behavior had to stop, linebacker Daniel Brooks and defensive back Corey Campbell were suspended after off-field incidents.
Brooks pleaded guilty Tuesday to a misdemeanor charge of driving without a license and three other charges were dismissed by a Knox County General Sessions Court judge. Brooks will miss the first three games this season.
While court dates await other Volunteers players, Fulmer is scheduled to face reporters today in Birmingham, Ala., at the annual Southeastern Conference media days.
In an interview last week, Fulmer tightened his lips and took a deep breath when asked about the recent incidents. "It's embarrassing to our administration, to our fans, to our coaches, to me and to a large portion of the other kids," said Fulmer, Tennessee's head coach since 1992. "You would hope that young men who have the opportunities they have, to be on the stage they're on, would make better choices."
Assault accusations
Among the poorer choices:
"? Carolyn Goodrich said her son thought he had been hit accidentally by an elbow during a pickup basketball game Jan. 12.
It wasn't until the next day, while looking at a university surveillance videotape, that Deshaun Goodrich saw he had been punched on the right side of his face when he wasn't looking by a Tennessee football player.
"He'll have a metal plate in his mouth the rest of his life," Carolyn Goodrich said.
Tony McDaniel, the 6-7, 300-pound defensive tackle who was shown on the videotape hitting the 6-4, 205-pound Goodrich, was arrested and charged with aggravated assault and is scheduled to enter a plea Thursday in Knoxville General Sessions Court.
"? Shadiyah Murphy also never saw who broke his jaw March 4. The Tennessee student said he was hit from behind in an altercation with several Vols football players at a fraternity dance, according to court affidavits and police incident reports.
Murphy's jaw had to be wired shut to heal.
League turns to mentoring
In 2003, Southeastern Conference Commissioner Mike Slive vowed to end the constant cycle of league teams on NCAA probation for cheating by July 2008.
But while he has been busy cleaning up bad behavior by boosters and rogue coaches, Slive has another issue: a cycle of off-field incidents by SEC athletes.
From arrests on charges of alleged assault, driving under the influence, robbery and gun violations, SEC schools have seen one incident after another the last 16 months.
In an attempt to deal with the behavior of some athletes, the SEC is providing $90,000 in seed money to be spread among its 12 schools for training in a program taught by Northeastern University's Center for the Study of Sport in Society. The MVP program (Mentors in Violence Prevention) will counsel SEC athletes on how to deal with volatile situations without fists.
"It's education that helps people prevent violence but also interrupts the behavior," says Jeff O'Brien, director of programs at the center.
"We're not talking to them in the sessions as being perpetrators. We're talking about them, for instance, if they are at a party and they see one of their teammates about to do something, how they can step in and interrupt it."
O'Brien says MVP is "combating a cultural machine" in the media that glamorizes tough-guy response to conflicts.
"It's a daunting task," he says.
Cynics might claim it is just more window dressing by college administrators who want to appease critics of their multimillion-dollar athletics programs.
Before the SEC agreed to bring the MVP program to all its schools, the University of Tennessee introduced MVP to its athletes, including football players, in 2004. Yet Tennessee's football program has had problems of aggressive behavior by players in the last 16 months.
"It's not love dust; it's not miracle work," O'Brien says. "It's a first step to try and get people to think differently about their situations."
By Ray Glier
Jerod Mayo, a freshman linebacker, and Robert Ayers, a freshman defensive end, have been charged with aggravated assault in the Murphy case and are scheduled to appear in court Monday to answer charges.
"? Quantavios Emerson did see who hit him, opening a cut on his head that required four staples to close April 10 in a fight in a dormitory lobby. Emerson, who was in the fight with Bret Smith, a Tennessee wide receiver, and Brent Schaeffer, a quarterback, said he was struck while on the floor.
Smith and Schaeffer pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and were ordered to pay restitution to Emerson. Smith was suspended from the team; Schaeffer left the program voluntarily.
Vols' safety net
The school has devoted resources and considerable effort to the issue of student-athlete conduct. At least three full-time employees of the football program have duties that include steering players from trouble.
"? Former Tennessee quarterback Condredge Holloway is assistant athletics director for player relations and counsels players on their behavior off the field.
"? Running backs coach Trooper Taylor, the assistant head coach, also handles player development issues.
"? Judy Jackson, the associate director of student-athlete welfare, has an office with a window looking out on the indoor practice facility. She coordinates players' participation in community-related projects through the G.O. V.O.L.S. service program.
The list of football players who have participated in the program in Knoxville is substantially longer than the list of players who recently have faced criminal charges. During the spring semester alone, football players logged more than 1,000 hours of community service, from Habitat for Humanity to reading in schools to Boys & Girls Club activities and others, according to a record kept by the athletics department.
The Knoxville Police Department has assigned an officer to act as liaison between the Tennessee team and the police department and to counsel players.
Tennessee's athletics department also is participating in a program sponsored, in part, by the SEC. MVP, Mentors in Violence Prevention, is a program conducted by Northeastern University's Center for the Study of Sport in Society in which college athletes try to teach youngsters how to avoid confrontation.
A cycle of problems?
The caretakers of Tennessee's football program "? President John D. Petersen, in his second year at the school after coming from the University of Connecticut; athletics director Mike Hamilton, on the job since July 2003 and at the school since 1992; and Fulmer "? say there is no systemic problem with the program and college football programs across the country have the same issues with handling young, immature football players.
"When we adjusted the NCAA rules a couple of years ago to limit the amount of contact with prospective student-athletes, I think it limited the ability of coaches to get to know the athletes better," Hamilton said. "You're having to make quicker judgments sometimes assessing a student-athlete's ability to fit in."
Asked if he thought there was a recruiting problem at Tennessee and if the Vols were recruiting athletes at risk to get in trouble, Peterson said the university's issues with athletes are a "cyclical thing we see."
Peterson said he did not think Fulmer was recruiting athletes at risk for bad behavior. Nevertheless, Hamilton said Tennessee might be willing to join the growing list of universities conducting criminal background checks of athletes to see if there is anything that might reveal a potential for problems. But he did not view it as a panacea.
"Is it something we're doing for PR sake, or is it something we're doing that will help us make a better decision to accept a student-athlete?" Hamilton said. "If it helps us make better decisions, then I'm for it."
Citing Georgia and South Carolina, Peterson said football teams at other SEC schools have had their share of problems off the field. Eleven South Carolina players have been arrested since the end of the 2004 season. At Georgia, three returning players have been suspended for the season opener against Boise State for off-field incidents and a fourth has been kicked off the team. Five members of Georgia's incoming recruiting class failed to meet academic requirements.
Peterson said Fulmer has demonstrated a get-tough policy on athletes who repeatedly caused trouble. The president said Fulmer dismissed wide receiver James Banks "? "the best pure athlete on the football team" "? in December after several incidents.
"Is it acceptable? No," Peterson said of the rash of incidents. "Is it a concern? Yes, it's always a concern when things like this happen."
Gary Holliday, a spokesman for the Knoxville Police Department, said authorities do not feel there is a security issue with Tennessee football players and their interaction in the community.
There is a difference in opinion on campus, however. Chemistry professor Jeffrey Kovac said the recent incidents suggest something is not right.
"My impression is that these kids are under close supervision by coaches, but there is still trouble. So is there a systematic failing?" said Kovac, a longtime critic of the football program.
"I think coaches have a responsibility to set tones and standards, and if there are a lot of incidents, it suggests there is a problem."
Quarterback Rick Clausen said Fulmer gathered the team near the end of spring practice after the April assaults and demanded some accountability.
"He said, 'You guys made this problem and you're going to fix it,' " Clausen said.
Clausen, one of six team captains, said the 18 seniors have been leaning on freshmen and sophomores to reel in their strike-back mentality when they get into confrontations. But they are not always successful.
"Some guys don't get it. It's very few, but those few you can't help them," Clausen said. "It's frustrating."
so seriously...just shut ya mouth
The difference though, Fulmer does something about it. McDaniel threw a punch in a pickup b-ball game, something probably most of you have done. Fulmer sat his ass down for three games including Florida and LSU. Vick pulled that b.s. that he did the other day and all the other things he's done, he's going to sit for one meaningless game against powerhouse Kent State.
i guess a suspension isn't doing something about it??
punching a grad-student whose only protection is his pocket protector and stomping on a 280lb all-american's leg are very different
you ever had someone step on your legs with cleats on??...didnt think so
a bit more painful than you would imagine, i would rather get punched in the face than feel that
have you ever been a kid playin a lil pickup when a 300lb guy hits you in the face, making you need to have a metal plate put in your face for the rest of your life
dumerville came back 2 plays later...doubt that kid has been back to the courts
Yep. That's exactly what Vick deserves. A one game suspension for all he's done this year.
btw...you're right. That guy was such a puney little grad student. I know you saw that video that was posted, more than likely you posted it. That guy was bigger than me and I played right guard in high school. 6-4 205. That's a big pocket protector. Even you can do better than that.
Back to your first copy and paste diatribe though, Fulmer also booted Brooks, Banks, Shaeffer. Who were the main participants in the things you pasted. Smith who was involved in the incident with Shaeffer, picked up the stick that the guy had originally and hit him with it. With the Ayers incident, he was cleared of all wrong doing and it was later found out that that was a case of mistaken indentity.
I'm not saying what any of the idiots mentioned above did was right or anyway condonable, but if you can't see what I've read dozens of other VT fans say on other boards you are in a severe case of denial. A one game suspension for what that p.o.s has done to the VT program this year and since he's been there is a joke. The actions of lots of the VT players have been pretty pathetic lately. If Beamer doesn't do something, and not one game suspensions, soon, you'll never be able to use UT, Miami, FSU or others as comparisons. They'll be in a league of their own.
if played some basketball with some pretty bit fellers actually mang and took some rough shots, with that being said, id still take a punch to the face rather than a cleat somewhere else...
Another thing, this "kid" who was 6'5" 205 lbs, should have kept his mouth shut. From reports of everyone there he was taking cheap shots and running his mouth the whole time. What Tony did was wrong, but I'd more than likey done the same thing. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for Tony, my punch would do far less damage.
and id prob flip off the WVU fans...doesnt make either of them right
james banks booted himself
No he didn't. Fulmer sent him packing after a failed drug test. If you want to say that's booting himself that's fine. He later came back and begged for a chance to come back and Fulmer wouldn't let him. After that he addressed the team and told them how selfish he'd been and how he regretted what he'd done and how he'd do anything to be back. Too bad Vick didn't have that much remorse after his first "sit down".
it was him or schaeffer one who didnt have the grades and that would constitute booting themselves off
but that's still a mute point...Beamer booted Theo Miller and Michael Hinton this year as well as he is booting Kent Hicks off the team this spring
i was simply refuting the point that someone said UT doesnt attack anyone and they dont have any thugs
Every team has its problems.. UT, Vt, USC, Miami, FSU. Penn State... etc.. all of them....
maybe you should back off vick give him another change come on hes earned it.
caught with illegal drugs.
caught taking explicit pictures with girls underage after getting them alcohol.
flipping off WVU fans.
stepping on a guys legs.
I mean what college football player hasnt been given 5 or 6 chances. Great news too, he is back for his senior year.
Vick also said it was an "accident". Seeing as how he looked right at his leg before he stepped on it, I don't believe that. They supposedly had him go to the UL locker room and apologize. He's lucky it didn't get ugly in the second half.
not saying tech is without problems...not even saying vick isnt a problem because he is
i just thought it was a good laugh that someone would say that UT doesnt have any thugs
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Shaeffer was having grade troubles, but could have gotten back into shape with alot of work.
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but that's still a mute point...Beamer booted Theo Miller and Michael Hinton this year as well as he is booting Kent Hicks off the team this spring
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i was simply refuting the point that someone said UT doesnt attack anyone and they dont have any thugs
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Don't blame you. Everyone does. Unfortunately, VT used to have alot fewer. I think with Cutcliffe coming back to UT, alot of that is going to stop there too.
Vick is a worthless piece of garbage, and shouldbt be allowed to play a tuba in Tech's band.
vick didnt take/keep any pictures...those were actually dropped...as well as the alcohol
i concur
hinton would have started this year over Rouse at rover and wouldve been the best rover in tech history
he never got to see the field b/c Beamer booted him
A slap on the wrist IMO
I agree.. I would send him and his selfish attitude packing!
be better off without him in my opinion
I agree PHD. I don't think they realized, until now, what they lost when Randall graduated.
I think some of you are missing a point. Think of the Bobby Bowden rule. He has kids arrested, in trouble with the law, he has sat right there and talked about suspending them for a 'nothing game' or sitting them a half, and will be honest with you, he isn't going to do anything to hurt him or the team really.
Vick has some issues, but when Tech is out there recruiting, and lets think of what the 'quality' is of the top athletes. Most of them only care about one thing, themselves, attention, money at the end. Now if you are getting the option of going to most schools, or going to somewhere Vick is, who's going to get attention and thus get you attention if you play, most are going to go there. So as much stupidity as Vick may do, he does help recruit by giving attention. I think Beamer did right, he is punishing him, he made him go into the enemy locker room to appologize, shoot most coaches would have said, well you know in the heat of the battle sometimes people do stupid things and shrugged it off. I'll agree that it was a stupid move by Vick and if it had hurt the guy, then I think you would be looking at more, but since it didn't hurt him, it would and probably should be about what it was.
Anyone think he may enter the draft?
nope
He enters the draft, he's shooting himself in the foot. He needs to play a year, play well, improve and stay out of trouble, which may be the biggest task.
I do know this, if this guy had any other name except "VICK" on the back of his jersey, then he would have been kicked out of the program after the WVU game. We keep forgetting about not only the flipping off of fans & the ball flipping, but also the time where he ran out of bounds and put a shoulder pad into the back of a WVU assistant that was minding his own business on the sideline.
Dude's talented, but he's a dirty player and he's spineless. When teams beat VT this year, it was due to them hitting MV2 harder than he expected to get hit and not putting up with his BS. Ya know, he'll do this stuff against WVU & Louisville, but you didn't see much of it against Miami or FSU, did ya? That's because he got SCARED & frustrated in those latter two matchups, while in the other two, he wasn't scared, just frustrated and still confident he could come back and win.
I don't believe that he can stay out of trouble and he want make it through next season. It want suprise me to see him mess up this spring sem and be gone before next year.