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Per ESPNNews.
i say 8-10th
3rd to the Titans
Yeah I see him going to the Titans as well. If hes not picked 1 or 2. The Texans may be leaning toward Young and just saying Bush. Im not saying that IS the case, just an idea. Could be saying they are going to take Bush to try and make somebody else trade up for him and still get Young at another pick. Who knows?? Tennessee may take Leinart if hes still available, Norm Chow as the O-Coordinator. I seen that McNair was going to push them to draft Young though since he has been his mentor and all. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all unfolds in April ...
I agree McNair wants to play one more year and that would give Young a chance to sit out and learn under Mcnair...I see either Leinart or Young being Titan come April
I doubt he'll ever play quarterback in the NFL but he could play the same role as the Steeler's Antwaan Randall El as a split end and on special teams.
Why wont he play QB in the NFL? NO way will he just be a WR or a returner. I think this man will have a great career in the league.
I agree Mox, Young is the real deal. Hes not got the biggest arm, but he makes good decision and hits the open guy and can throw on the run and make things happen til someone gets open. Whats amazing to me is, even though he rushes for tons of yards, he is still very patient when it comes to scambling.
Id take Vince before Id take Reggie Bush. Why? Because good productive runnings backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL, no need to pick them number one and overpay for them. Not saying the Texans will draft Vince, but maybe someone will try to trade up to get him.
I would almost take Young over Bush too. Its just too hard to pass up on a guy like Bush, thats about like passing up on Jordan. No matter who the Texans take, its not gonna matter unless they get somebody on that god awful line they got to block for em.
maybe the first five teams will look over him
The blazers took Sam Perkins.
The Texans wont make that mistake.
I see Bush at 1, Leinart is 2, Young at 3.
I don't think he has the arm strength to be a quarterback in the NFL and I'm not certain about his accuracy. In addition, his throwing motion reminds me of a shotputter. I guess only time will tell, so it should prove rich fodder for future messageboard discussions.
I think he would do alot better if he went to Tenn and sat a year behind McNair
I cant wait to get me a New Orleans Saints VINCE YOUNG Jersey. Vince in NOLA!!!
I'm loving it!!!
We titan fans want Vince Young...The boy can play! He'll start in 07...
he'll slip as it gets closer to draft day
Young will be a titan next year mark my words!
He is goin to the Saints, trust me. Barring alien abduction, he will be in NOLA next season...
NEVER! He has such a bright future as a titan! Learn from mcnair...Grow with them wrong wide outs...The boy would fit better in tennessee
1. Geography
2. Joe Horn
3. HUGE sentimental thing. NOLA reopens, Vince is the saviour. They build around him. Immediate chance to play.
4. Titans colors are terrible. Im not wearing anything with Tennessee or Titans on it. Period.
5. Vince has me on speed dial, he called me and said "My man, should I go" I said "Only if NOLA takes you" Vince: "Word, you know whats up. Lets do this, Superdome here I come, look out hurricanes here comes the Category 5 Longhorn" Me: "And sign with Nike, Nestle, Pepto Bismol, Excedrin, Head On, Chevy (cause you are the rock), Chips Ahoy, and Paris Hilton Cologne, cuz my supply is gettin low"
Vince: "sounds good, done deal, Ill be in the LB next week, me and you and Ricky since he has the free time and isnt stoned will be h eadin to Robo's, peace out man"
Me: "see ya Vince, hook em!"
WTF???
The boy loves McNair, I'm telling you man...He's gonna be a titan!
Lets at least see who is coaching each team come april before we say who is going where. Fisher may end up in St Louis and I have no idea who New Orleans is going to get as a coach. One arguement from saints fans is Vince Young is more like Aaron Brooks than Matt Leinert is. I dont believe they are the same but you can bet your bottom dollar there will be comparisons.
I see Young becoming a Titan as well. He will NOT be a Saint, they do not need him. But there is also the chance he's going to be tossed around like Kordell Stewart was. Playing some QB, and then trying him out at Wideout/SlotBack.
It doesnt matter where he goes, he will be a flop.
he'll be like Kordell. Good for a few games the first year or so, or maybe a couple seasons in. But he will not be one of those memorable players on the NFL.
Steer, I can about promise you that new orleans is drafting a quarterback, they will need either him or leinert. Brooks was benched for the last 3-4 games of the season and Todd Bouman isnt the answer either. They probably wish they had hung on to Delhomme.
I agree NO will take a QB and that QB will either bee Leinert or Young. It would not suprise me if Tenn picks up the other one with there pick and if they do not nither will make it past the Jets who look to be in the QB market again
Agreed--I think this draft goes Bush, Young, Leinart, with the possibility that if Chow stays with the Titans that they'll even move up to make sure they take Leinart.
i think young bush and matt will all be flops cause in the nfl you have to be a pocket passer which takes young out, bush to small and on espn radio they say he cant carry a load that they would rather have lindell white so take out bush, and matt is an A$$hole and has no zip on the ball
Yeah Bush will be a flop. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Just like all the other small backs. Warrick Dunn and Barry Sanders to just name a few.
Oaktown...Bush is bigger at 6'0/200 than either Tiki Barber or Warrick Dunn, who only made the Pro Bowl this past year...I wouldn't necessarily call him small.
And just because you think Leinart's an arsehole doesn't have anything to do with how he'll succeed in the NFL...so that's a WEAK argument.
Also--Young has some skills as a pocket passer, it's just that a lot of the time in college he was able to use his other skills to score. I think he's got a better all around passing game than guys like DJ Shockley, Chris Leak, or Marcus Vick. He's only got room to improve, especially if he gets with the right QB coach.
come back and argue in 5 years and we will see who is right...the nfl will tear young up just like vick blitz and they get happy feet and get the crap knocked out of them and get gun shy....and all the stuff about bush comes from espn radio and i am just repeating them they say bush only carries the ball around 15 times a game or 20
I think Bush will be fine he is a little bigger than some of the small backs in the leage and will probably get 10 to 15 pound bigger in the NFL. Speed is what set him apart on the collage level it will be interesting to see how he adjusts when he is not the fastest person on the field any more. Leinart is a Good QB that can probably come in a start for a team right away but needs a system that will hide his lack of arm strenth. Young IMHO has a greater upside than either of the other two BUT would benifit sitting behind another QB for a year or two to learn an NFL system Most teams will not do that since he will be a top pick and payed to much money to hold a clipboard
leinhart has no arm strength and will get picked off every time in the nfl
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and all the stuff about bush comes from espn radio and i am just repeating them they say bush only carries the ball around 15 times a game or 20
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Two things here--why just come on here and repeat what ESPN radio says--make your own assertions and back them up. If they so happen to be the same as ESPN's, fine, but don't just say that since ESPN said it that it must be true.
And the only reason why Bush carried the ball 15-20 times a game is because that's all he needed to get 100+ yards and a few scores. The rest of his touches were in the passing game and due to his versatility he got some scores there too. That means he's getting anywhere from 15 at the least to 30 at the most touches probably in a given game...depending on how successful he's been scoring and gaining yards...this doesn't mean he's not capable of getting 40 touches a game...just means he's never needed to do it at USC, especially with all the weapons they've had. Tell you what, I'll come back in 5 years when the argument will be who the best RB is between Bush and Tomlinson.
And I only marginally disagree with you on Young, but I still feel he's got enough athleticism that if he gets with the right QB coach and really works hard, he'll be a good QB in the league. You can't teach his physical tools that he's already got, it's just going to take his hard work and a good coach to hone them into the NFL game.
I don't question many things about Bush, but I do question this one thing. He's played behind one of the best O-lines to play together in College in a long time. I can only think of the 95 Nebraska team that had a better O-Line. (Sorry after playing lineman, you tend to watch what the linemen do too). After playing behind said O-line, and you're used to having these large running lanes, what happens when you have a man in your face 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage?
A lot of people compare Bush to THE Sanders, but after watching Barry in college and pros, I don't think anyone has done/will do/can do what he did with the football. I don't think Bush has that elusiveness, nor that engine to keep going after he's hit 5 yards deep. I don't claim to know a guy's desire, but you gotta think the first time he's hit for a 5 yard loss, it's going to be a shock to him, how he responds to that will decide what type of NFL back he will be:
Barry Sanders or Eric Metcalf
only two things wrong
1. bush played in the pac 10 with no defenses
2. in five years lT will be 32
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Leinart is a Good QB that can probably come in a start for a team right away but needs a system that will hide his lack of arm strenth.
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IF the Titans draft him he's back with Chow--and we all have seen what he can do in that system if given the tools.
With Bush--he may get 5-10 more pounds on him, but I honestly don't think he needs it. Speed & agility will be his biggest assets in the NFL.
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Young IMHO has a greater upside than either of the other two BUT would benifit sitting behind another QB for a year or two to learn an NFL system Most teams will not do that since he will be a top pick and payed to much money to hold a clipboard
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McNair & Palmer amongst others both did it. Those examples both go to show if you're patient and you try to develop the talent you've got and not throw them into the fire too early that you'll have success. If the Saints draft Young and release/demote Aaron Brooks and toss Young in right away, they'll have wasted a draft pick and hindered VY's career, IMO.
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A lot of people compare Bush to THE Sanders, but after watching Barry in college and pros, I don't think anyone has done/will do/can do what he did with the football.
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Agreed 100%. Barry was unreal.
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After playing behind said O-line, and you're used to having these large running lanes, what happens when you have a man in your face 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage?
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I don't think Bush has that elusiveness, nor that engine to keep going after he's hit 5 yards deep. I don't claim to know a guy's desire, but you gotta think the first time he's hit for a 5 yard loss, it's going to be a shock to him, how he responds to that will decide what type of NFL back he will be
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Who's to say he won't respond in the affirmative? There's nothing really backing up claiming he'll bust as soon as he gets stopped in the backfield a time or two for losses. Don't dismiss him until he's had the opportunity to show what it is he can do.
And if he ends up like Metcalf, a guy who is a RB turned WR (like Dante Hall for instance), then I think he could end up as the best crossover type player ever, returning kicks and working out of the slot and such, given his size, speed, and ability.
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only two things wrong
1. bush played in the pac 10 with no defenses
2. in five years lT will be 32
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We could say LT did his thing at TCU with no defenses in the Mountain West/WAC against him too...but look who he is now.
And, in five years, LT could be even better than what he is now. Don't write a back off automatically because he turns 30-something--see Bettis and Curtis Martin last year, nigh unto 40.