The Ultimate Fighter

I was just watching UFC Unleashed and seen where they are having a show called the Ultimate Fighter. It's like a game show were guys fight to see who wins a contract to fight in the UFC. Does anyone watch this show? They should have something like that around here, fighters that is. Maybe someone from around here could be on the show. What do you guys think?

have you honestly not heard of this yet? been going on for a while

How long? It looks really fun, I bet if they had something like that around here people would do it.

they have toughman competitions every year in jenkins i think it is. they are fun to watch.

This is the Third Season of The Ultimate Fighter. It starts April 6th. This years coaches, are none other, Ken Shamrock and Tito Ortiz. Will be a great season. If I'm not mistaken, at the end of the season this year, when they have the Spike Tv Fight Night (to show who wins contracts, etc), Shamrock and Ortiz fight one more time!

How come more people are not watching this stuff? Like I said they should have stuff like this around here.

haha man, i really hope you are being sarcastic. everyone watches the stuff, the actual UFC has been going on for YEARS. its BEEN popular, the show well, you got info on the show from steer. if you really have just come into learning of it then keep watching man, its great stuff.

If everyone watches this stuff, how come I never see anyone posting about it?

Monkeyhead has been watching UFC since the mid 90s.

My husband has watched this for years. He has me watching it now. But when it comes to seeing arms bent backwards and legs broke then that I can't stand to watch.

if u like UFC try watching K-I. Chuck Lydell the UFC light heavywight champ got beat so bad his corner threw in the towel.

if it makes you feel better i watch UFC too, not so much as i used to, its not as entertaining as it once was

i liked it back in the days of Royce Gracie, Shamrock, Gordeau, pretty much any of the first 8 UFC's, really haven't watched too many of the new ones..

can't beat the days when Jim brown was a commentator either

I watch it all the time. I especially enjoy watching Shamrock, Matt Hughes, Evan Tanner, and Andre Arlovski.

We usually get the pay per views at my cousins house. The undercards usually have some great fights. The last one we got was Liddell/Couture 3. We are gonna get the next one on 4-15 that features Arlovski and Sylvia, I am gonna go with Arlovski to win this although I would rather see Sylvia win.

Darnit Mega I was trolling for some big fish.

Chuck got beat in Pride by Rampage Jackson, not K-1.

So now you're not only spokesperson for FAST but also in public relations with Dana White? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

I believe Arlovski will take it too.....but I actually want him to win

I would love to see the fight between Matt Hughes and Gracie

Any predictions??

I will be shocked if Arlovski doesn't win with ease.

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I think if Hughes has all of his counters to the grappling that Royce is absolutely world class at (even at an old age for a fighter), then he can simply overpower Royce. However, if Hughes isn't studied up and Royce is quicker than Matt and gets him in a pickle he doesn't know how to get out of, then Royce could make Matt look silly. If this were a Brazilian jiu-jitsu match and both had to wear gi, then Royce could definitely beat Hughes b/c he'd have even more grappling moves to his disposal with the use of the gi. BUT...this is UFC. My heart wants Royce to win, but my mind tells me Hughes is the best in the UFC in any weight class today and will win.

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Royce has very little chance in this fight. Matt is no stranger to the ground. He can submit you at any time. Royce has a better chance at winning the lottery than he does of beating Matt. Both have mediocre standup with Matt getting the better of him in strength, speed, and Octagon experience. This is not the old UFC that Royce played in.

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Royce has very little chance in this fight. Matt is no stranger to the ground. He can submit you at any time. Royce has a better chance at winning the lottery than he does of beating Matt. Both have mediocre standup with Matt getting the better of him in strength, speed, and Octagon experience. This is not the old UFC that Royce played in.

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Yeah...this match is more for ratings than it is for anything else. It's kind of one of those matches that they've got to give guys like Matt so they'll be considered as one of the best of the best ever. It perpetuates the star power for the newer stars if they can send off the older stars with a good fight...see Coture/Liddell 3. Like I said, I'd like to see Royce pull this off, but I think Matt ends up winning it on physical prowess alone because he's just as technically sound as Royce.

"This is not the old UFC that Royce played in..."

Exactly, Royce fought a group of hand-picked (by his brother Rorion) oponents.

Since those days Royce is what? 2-4-1 in Japan? I'm not sure of the numbers but he has a losing record against real fighters in Japan and one of his wins was against poor Takada and was likely a work, as are most of Takada's fights.

Yeah and the overweight guy, for some reason I can't remember his name.

Akebono was the guy, and Chad Rowen was the other. He hasn't fought any competition and won recently.

Royce lost to Akebono? WOW. I had no idea about that. If Akebono can handle Royce then he's got no prayer except for getting lucky with a submission against Hughes.

No those two guys I listed were the only other guys that Royce has beat in recent years.

Okay--sorry I misunderstood. Either way, I think Royce has an outside shot, but that's it...it's an outside shot. Hughes would have to fall asleep majorly and Royce would have to get lucky.

Chad Rowan and Akebono are the same person. Chad Rowan is his real name.

I went over to Sherdog and found that Royce is 2-1-2 since his UFC days. He has beaten two jokes, Rowan and Takada and has drawn with Yosida the Olympic Judo player who had no MMA experience and of course got his backside completely handed to him by Sakuraba the only real fighter with experience that he has faced.

I think it will end with a ref stoppage. I think Royce will be a bloody mess from the Ground n Pound he will recieve. Or possibly getting choked out.

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Yoshida choked him silly and Royce was trying to say he was not out. Whether he was or not, don't really matter because he was about to be. The Sak fight was great, it lasted forever but it was nice to see Royce get owned like that.

Sakuraba clowning to the crowd while giving Royce his back without any concern was priceless.

I've got the video of that fight at the apt., Bobby let me borrow it.

"I went over to Sherdog and found that Royce is 2-1-2 since his UFC days. He has beaten two jokes, Rowan and Takada and has drawn with Yosida the Olympic Judo player who had no MMA experience and of course got his backside completely handed to him by Sakuraba the only real fighter with experience that he has faced."

Yeah but the guy was in his prime during those UFC days. You are talking about a guy who is now 40 years old and 12 to 14 years removed from his peak competing age. He was undefeated in 12 UFC fights with all of his 11 wins coming buy way of submission against some quality competition such as Shamrock, Kimo, Pat Smith, Keith Hackney and Dan Severn. His only loss in UFC was a forfeit in the next fight after he was injured against Kimo. He had only been in the octagon once in 6 years when he faced Sakuraba at age 34 in the Pride Grand Prix Finals. He is 1-0-1 in K-1 in the last 2 years.

James, I have to disagree strongly about the level of competition in those early UFC's. Some of the guys were very tough but none really understood the game they were involved in.

Dan Severn was a very good wrestler but had no knowledge whatsoever about submission or striking at that time. In fact it's a well known story that as he was leaving the octagon an old shootfighting coach asked him why he hadn't at least attempted one of the many triangle escapes? Dan, who has a very good sense of humor replied, "hell I hadn't even heard of a triangle choke until I was in one."

Kimo was a pure brawler at the time with no real training of any kind at all. This according to him. He has since become fairly skilled both on the ground and on the feet but knew next to nothing when he fought Royce, which is just the way Royce and Rorion wanted it.

Pat Smith had a fake won loss record and no ground skills. He wasn't even a world class striker as claimed. He was a decent striker but not world class by any standard. He knew a few standing submissions but nothing else.

Keith Hackney was, is and forever will be a joke. Yet he landed some decent shots on Royce. This isn't a testament to his striking skills but to Royce's total lack of takedown knowledge.

Ken Shamrock was the nearest thing to a real fighter he faced and even he wasn't use to these rules. Something alot of people don't know is that the vast majority of Ken's fights in Japan were works (fake). Ken had been trained by people who had been trained by Karl "Gotch" Istaz for a "hard worked" style of pro wrestling. Not real fighting.

The early days of the UFC were a sham when looked at closely. Rorion hand picked every fighter and there are numerous stories of him turning away fighters he feared could beat Royce.

This is actually the way the Gracies have operated for decades. They claimed to have been unbeaten for 50+ years when in fact Helio lost several times. Once to a totally untrainer fighter. Then there was the awfull spanking he took form Kimura the Japanese Judo legend. A good bit of video footage of that match still exists. It ain't pretty, up to and including Kimura breaking Helio's arm after passing his guard like he was a 7 year old.

Wladek Zybyszko an aging B level pro wrestler from the early days of wrestling when most could wrestle for real went a 15 minute draw with Helio. The point being that all the trully great wrestlers of Zybyszko's era had soundly beaten him when it came to a shoot (real match).

I know alot of people don't like the Gracie's because of some of the reasons you mentioned but Royce was the real deal in the style of fighting that the early UFC's deployed. Yeah they may not have fought all comers but to my understanding the early UFC was a tournament style competition in which you had entries from all styles of fighting and you had to win to keep going to the next round. In my opinion it was much more entertaining back then because you didn't have rounds and you didn't have judges decisions and you didn't have weight class and gloves...it was two guys just getting in there no holds barred and who ever survives wins. That was more of a test of raw all out fighting competition than what you have now in my opinion. I miss the "no rules" style of action.

I know what you're saying, and I liked the tournament format as a fan as well. As a coach I don't like it as most fighter don't either.

The problem concerning the early UFC's that didn't really come to light for some time is that a number of well rounded fighters who did understand the game (unlike the people Roiron picked) were turned away.

Gene LeBell has a couple of good stories of this type. One was a middle eastern pro wrestler who held a couple of world strength records, had been in 3 olympics (winning 2 gold's), and a good knowledge of old-school carnival style wrestling submissions was flatly turned down by Rorion to fight in UFC 2. Wonder why?

i seen royce fight shamrock the first time it lasted about 45 seconds.total domination by royce,the next time they fought i believe it was ufc 6 they fought to a draw,shamrock was afraid to do anything.i hope royce beats matt hughes,but i dont see it happening,age catches up to you.he probably should just keep on being retired.

I will agree and disagree with some things you stated. I do like the tournament format, but you look at how many fighters get injured and can't continue. The rules are there for a purpose, if not for rules there would be no UFC. Gloves are there to protect hands and also they only help a punch more than hurt it. Also a fighters peak is probably more in his early to mid 30's.
Royce may be the worst fighter in the family. He has very little standup ability, and his ground game is not that great in my opinion. Watch the first Pride Grand Prix and you can watch him get spanked at his own game, and at his peak. He was only in the UFC because his brother Rickson refused to work for peanuts.