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what is your thoughts on him?
Great power, gonna put up 40-50 bombs every year and great OBP usually around .380-.410. but he has a sub-par average (under 250), and imo is the best designated hitter in the national league (meaning he doesn't play much defense).
Do you think he will stick around Cincy, especially since there first round draft pick was an OF and Kearns is slowly but surely starting to put the ball in play more and more each day?
I'd trade him today.
Dunn is an All-Star caliber player. Yes his BA is low (.234 as of today) but he's drawn 64 BB and his OBP is .372, pretty good. Out of 68 hits he's got 14 2B and 26 HR and 54 RBI. Even though he's not getting a ton of hits, he drives in runs through extra-base hitting and he's on base a lot, giving his teammates a chance to drive him in. He's a strong offensive threat IMO.
The Reds will probably do whatever they can to keep him around, IMO. Dunn is the face of the franchise, along with Griffey and perhaps Arroyo now with all the success he has had there. But you never can tell with the MLB and free agency being what it is.
26 home runs and barely over 50 RBI's not to mention he makes pitiful plays in the field and just today forgot how many outs there were in the top of the first inning when he was hitting second. Yea, I'll trade him today for a great closer and some prospects or a top of the line starter. Outside of that Grand Slam the other day he doesn't really hit well in the clutch, he K's way to much and to be honest pretty much refuses to play small ball.
sacrifice fly is not in his vocabulary
he's a good player. I think he would be a great player if he choked up with two strikes but it appears he is not going to do that! Defensively he stinks, but he does drive in runs and he does get on base. Im not sure you would get his value for him in any trade because of the K's (good teams would be leary of that!) But hey, they got bronson arrojo for Willie Mo and Willie mo is not nearly as good as dunn!! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wall.gif[/img]
You act like 26 HR and 54 RBI is nothing... let's see the season is about halfway done, so if he keeps the pace he'll hit 52 HR and drive in over 100 runs. I guess that's not good enough for the mighty Reds? Agreed that they could use some more pitching, but so could every other team in the league. He is the only strong offensive presence on that team, and don't say Griffey because he just flat can't get it done anymore. They are a much better team with Dunn than with what they could get for him.
Ok dude i dont know if you watch the reds or anything for that matter but thats ok. Saying Griffey just cant flat out get it done anymore i dont know were ur coming from. Granted he has lost some with all the injuries ill give you that but saying he cant get it done anymore is ridiculous. He has 18 hrs which is in the top half in the bigs and over 50 rbi's and he missed a full month of the season. I would love to see him stay healthy for a full year completley but to say that he just cant flat out get it done anymore is wrong. And i would like to hear your opionin or how u are coming up with this.
good point vb 3...since when are the reds good enough to by pass 26 and 52 from a player!! Send Dunn to the cubs!! we will take him for sure!! Take a look at our outfield numbers and then you will think dunn is the next coming of Henry Aaron!!! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/getsmile.tmp007816300.gif[/img]
I would most definitely have to say that NOT staying healthy would mean that someone just flat cant get it done. If you cant stay healthy to put up the numbers, then you arent getting crap done......... which is exactly what griffey has been doing the past so many years. Maybe gets lucky and does decent, but when you are scared to play all out because you know you are going to get hurt......... and you know he does, he favors his leg all the time, then you arent getting it done.
It's good numbers but at the same time he's hitting .240 or so. The guy chokes big time in the clutch and is awful at defense if he was an all star wouldn't he have more than one all star showing?
my favorite player in baseball!!! Send him to the cubs!!!
EL GRANDE DONKEY
by the way, i put a pic of his as an attachment....how do you put it directly on the post??
My point about Griffey was not that he is not a good player. He's very talented, probably the most talented player of his generation. And he's having a great year for Cincinnati this year. But has he been the guy for them since he came there?
Griffey came to the Reds in 2000:
145 games, 40 HR, 118 RBI, .271 BA, .387 OBP
That's a great year. Note that his BA wasn't through the roof, but his OBP was still high because he draws a lot of walks. He also hit a ton of HR and had over 100 RBI. Sounds a lot like the guy PVFAN wants rid of so badly now.
But in '01, '02, '03', and '04 he played in 111, 70, 53, and 83 games, respectively. Teams didn't go into Cincinnati saying "we have to stop Griffey" because Griffey more than likely wasn't in the Reds lineup.
Griffey had a good year in '00, and in '05, and so far this year, but do you think the Reds would go after him again if they knew beforehand how much he would be injured? Doubt it.
Teams go into Cincinnati scared of Dunn. He's the guy teams know can hurt them bad because of his power. IMO Dunn is the superstar on that club now, not Griffey.
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if he was an all star wouldn't he have more than one all star showing?
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Maybe. But that's one more All-Star showing than most players in the league have.
what you're overlooking pvfan is that as of last week (the last time i checked) Dunn had a .221 average on balls put in play. That's about 20% skill related (pop-ups and whatnot) and about 80% bad luck. That number will go up and up throughout the season. Don't expect Dunn to ever be a .300 hitter, but i guarantee every team in the Bigs would LOVE to have Dunner on their team. How do you justify trading your best offensive player when you're an offensive minded team? I'd trade every player on the roster plus three broken bats and a bag of peanuts to keep Adam Dunn on my team...
doozy of a game on mlb.com...cubs 1, astros 0 and in extra innings its reds 3, beermakers 3
4-3 reds...go ahead homerun in the 10th...guess who?????????????
EL GRANDE DONKEY
yeah...trade him
reds bullpen sucks!
I agree how can you get rid of someone who is gonna get on base 40% of the time, and still hit 45 dingers a year? the only problem I see of hittin him in the no hole is his speed and the shift the infield plays on him.
yeah griffey has had some bad luck with the injury bug, but this guy is still gonna hit over 600 homers. If Griffey went to an American League team as a DH he would play another 5 years.
His defense is awful, I'd trade him right now for a number one starter in the reds situation. Bring up Denorfia and play him in left, you'll get a number one starter or closer and your team will be better. You could also trade Kearns and bring up Denorfia and play him in right. At some point the Reds have to trade an outfielder to get some bullpen help or another starter.
They have GOT to have some bullpen help!! This bullpen sucks with the exception of coffey (and he is horrible at times) But the rest of them are TERRIBLE