Heisman Flop

so who is the biggest heisman flop?
right off the top of my head, I think of Ron Dayne

Gino Torreta

Chris Weinke, Gino Torreta, Danny Weurfull, Jason White

Eric Crouch?

I can agree with all of those... i'll add Eric Crouch to the list as well..
i remember he got signed by the Rams as a free agent, and then retired? or something...
Heisman trophy seems to be a meaningless trophy

here's a list of past winners...
http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/h...hy_winners.htm

Pretty much anyone who won from 80-2001, save for 5-6.

2005 Reggie Bush Southern California RB
2004 Matt Leinart Southern California QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB
2002 Carson Palmer Southern California QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan DB/WR
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1992 Gino Torretta Miami QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami QB
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB
1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska RB
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia RB
1981 Marcus Allen Southern California RB
1980 George Rogers South Carolina RB

I counted 14 pro-bowlers, so its not as bad as it looks.

and desmond howard, a super bowl MVP.

I don't care what you or mega say, Woodson has never impressed me. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I wouldn't consider Howard great either because he returned a ko in the superbowl. I'd say he's a bust for the most part.

What you mentioned is the truth though. It's either you're solid/really good or you're a disaster. Who are you counting as 14 pro bowlers from 80-01? I'm not sure on many of those. I could see Allen, Jackson, Brown, Sanders, George, Woodson, Williams, Walker.

I saw that Rodgers was his first year as well. Considering he only played about 3-4 years, you'd have to consider that a bust for the most part as well.

Rogers had several good years. With the Saints and later with the Redskins if memory serves.

He played 7. The only "great year" was his first.

Wikipedia

I wouldn't call those number flopworthy though.

7,176 yards with 54 touchdowns in a mere seven seasons.

I mean thats averaging 1000 yards a year and almost 8 TD a year. Maybe not God's gift to football but multiple pro bowls and decent numbers. I don't think he's on the list with some of the previous mentioned company.

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I think it was just one. With the Heisman, the award for the best football player in D1 college football, you'd expect more. That award has been an albatross hanging around players necks instead of something good.

Look at LT's numbers through less than 6 years...

2001 San Diego Chargers 16 16 339 1236 3.6 54 10 7 67
2002 San Diego Chargers 16 16 372 1683 4.5 76 14 12 90
2003 San Diego Chargers 16 16 313 1645 5.3 73 13 12 81
2004 San Diego Chargers 15 15 339 1335 3.9 42 17 6 68
2005 San Diego Chargers 16 16 339 1462 4.3 62 18 8 71
2006 San Diego Chargers 12 12 257 1324 5.2 58 23 10 61
TOTAL 91 91 1959 8685 4.4 76 95 55 438


Edjerin James through less than 8 years...

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 369 1553 4.2 72 13 9 79
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 387 1709 4.4 30 13 9 99
2001 Indianapolis Colts 6 6 151 662 4.4 29 3 5 40
2002 Indianapolis Colts 14 14 277 989 3.6 20 2 3 56
2003 Indianapolis Colts 13 13 310 1259 4.1 43 11 3 83
2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 334 1548 4.6 40 9 6 73
2005 Indianapolis Colts 15 15 360 1506 4.2 33 13 5 94
2006 Arizona Cardinals 12 12 252 810 3.2 18 3 0 44
TOTAL 108 108 2440 10036 4.1 72 67 40 568

Shaun Alexander in less than 7 years...

2000 Seattle Seahawks 16 1 64 313 4.9 50 2 1 20
2001 Seattle Seahawks 16 12 309 1318 4.3 88 14 8 61
2002 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 295 1175 4.0 58 16 10 61
2003 Seattle Seahawks 16 15 326 1435 4.4 55 14 9 79
2004 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 353 1696 4.8 44 16 15 77
2005 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 370 1880 5.1 88 27 14 107
2006 Seattle Seahawks 6 6 148 515 3.5 21 3 1 34
TOTAL 102 82 1865 8332 4.5 88 92 58 439


And these guys are playing against defenses that are twice what they were then.

In his first season, Rogers lead the league in rushing with 1,647 yards, which set a high for rookies at that time. He was selected as the NFL Rookie of the Year for 1981 and earned a trip to the Pro Bowl.

success in Washington, including another trip to the Pro Bowl and a Super Bowl title on January 31, 1988.

So at least 2

Plus, the players you mentioned above are all good/great
who did Rogers have with him? On the Skins team, he had a bit more around him but he was pretty beaten up (featured player on bad teams)

Saints Records

1980 1 15 0 4th NFC West --
1981 4 12 0 4th NFC West --
1982 4 5 0 9th NFC Conf. --
1983 8 8 0 3rd NFC West --
1984 7 9 0 3rd NFC West --
1985 5 11 0 3rd NFC West --
1986 7 9 0 4th NFC West --

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They didn't win the Heisman, so he was supposed to be good/greater.

I think it all depends on what we're saying a "flop" is. If it's someone who was a great college player but didn't live up to what they were in college, then guys like Crouch, Weinke, White, Howard, Woodson, Toretta, etc. all deserve that honor.

If we're talking more about guys who came out of college and we all projected them to be good pros, then guys like Salaam, Ware, Detmer, etc. all fit that bill.

It's a matter of potential vs. reality OR college success not equaling pro success. It all depends.