Kids, Drugs, Parents and Death.

As many know Appalachia had a kid who well as the rumor is OD'ed while at a friends house.

If you are taking or snorting pills or doing any kind of illegal drugs stop and get some help. If your friends are. Talk to them and if they don't listen, then don't fall into their habit.

If you know someone who is selling drugs. Even if it's your friends or your parents report them. You could save your life or someone elses.

A 15 or 16 yr old should not lose their life over drugs.

If your thinking about it. Think about your future. Is getting high worth dying over?

Someone has to be mature about all this. If the parents can't maybe some of you kids can.
And if your a parent. Take some time and find out what your kids are into.

It's becoming more and more evident we have a huge drug problem locally.
It's not just pot but pills and other injectable drugs.
From snorting to injecting and age limit there is none. From teenagers to the elderly.
One thing i did hear one parent say. Well i'd rather them do it at home. How stupid. Why should you let your kids do it anyway. At home or away. Sooner or later it just gets worse.
Were losing control of this battle. Many don't see it. But when kids steal drugs from their parents, to do illegally or to sell, to buy things they want.
They know the demand is out there.
Problem i see you have parents to involved in everything but their kids lives. And parents afraid to be parents. They will hate me. Better them be alive to hate you. Than to go to the cemetary to make a visit.
And many older adults who think getting high and away from reality is somehow gonna fix things?
Time our local leaders realize we got a problem. In our schools, on our streets, in our businesses. All over. A problem that isn't going away any time soon.
What is the answer. I don't know. But a start would be parents being parents, taking our schools back, from the drug pushers and drug pusher kids in our schools. And kids being shown the reality of what can happen.
Taken to a funeral or two, of those who thought getting high was cool, well till they died from it. Taken to the local prisons to see how good it can get.
I don't know honestly im just po'ed some about how things are today.
We lost control a long time ago. And now it's showing. Worst thing is even in the older adult generation the 50-60 some year generation.
I think this is the third OD, in a week or so, and one a suicide, over an OD where the person give the drugs to the person who OD'ed.
We got some problems. And yeah it does affect us all. Any one got any answers? This will escalate other crimes as the demand for pills and other drugs go up. Any one got any answers to where we start. Because evidently were not doing to good on the just say no slogan.

I am aware that there is a problem locally. I understand that there will be mandatory drug testing. Unfortunately it starts next year. Anyone that can verify this info I would appreciate it. Hopefully it may save some lives. The boy you are referncing played football for Appy ,Also played p-nut for me we are[lpdftbl&myself] know the family very well. The family has had some tragedys more then enoough for 3 familys let alone 1. Prayers & thoughts for the family. Can someone fill me in on the arrangements. PM me [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

If anyone knows about the arrangements, please PM me.

Some of these parents need to wake up and find out what their kids are doing. IF, not....this will probably happen again. Its a shame something like this happens. Lee County Sheriffs office arrested 111 drug dealers last week. Its time Wise Co did the same. How many more deaths does it take to get some action?

you must not have been paying attention, wise county has done the same the past few months, and their investigations are ongoing.

the ultimate responsibility for these kids however is their parents. one major problem though is that a lot of the parents are doing the same thing.

Pardon me, but YOU must not be paying attention. We still have kids dropping dead because of prescription drugs. That small round up Wise Co had didn't make a dent in it. Lets get serious and put a stop to it. These small timers don't even serve time! They are back on the street the next day most of the time. If you know someone dealing....its time to rat them out...It could save a kids life!

It's just a big game to most. Until it's someone's life.

And from what i gather, a kid, lost his life by buying stolen prescription drugs, from another kid, selling those stolen prescription drugs to buy himself a game.

We got some serious problems folks. In our schools, our homes and on our streets. Even in our businesses and work places. As far as prescriptions drugs and just drug use and abuse.

I will have to agree with six in some ways. Many of the parents are doing as much as the kids.

Right now you'd probably have to fix as many parents, before you could fix the kids.

Something needs to be done. When school age kids are dropping over, we have a problem.

Thing is how do we fix it.

I remember when the biggest concern use to be worrying about a kid taking a drink.
Now it's if their shooting up or snorting up. We got some problems. Kids and adults.

I agree with everything that all of you have said. But, there is one question that continually haunts me every day. Why do kids want to get high? I understood why I took my first drink and all the drinks after that. Socially, it was an acceptable practice. It was/is still an unhealthy practice with some pretty serious consequences. But, what part of the teenage brain says, "Hey, let's sniff that glue until we pass out!" or "Hey, let's spray that can of Lysol in a cup until there's just straight alcohol left." or "Hey, let's swing this cough medicine around so that the actual drug rises to the top and we can get the straight stuff." I mean, seriously, why and how would somebody think of stuff like that? An open-ended question for all of you. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wall.gif[/img]

I had a group of young teenagers (13 yrs maybe) play the "choking game" right in front of me a couple of weeks ago. The "leader" was saying how cool it was and that there's no harm to it. I had to politely request they refrain from that activity and as briefly and clearly as possible explain that it's far from harmless.

It's complete ignorance. They'll believe anything that's told to them, especially if it's someone they look up to.
I'm sure these kids probably left the building to play the game elsewhere. I'm an adult - what do I know. Why should they listen to me - it's much cooler to listen to your friends.

Any parent that thinks "not my kid" is ignorant.
EVERY kid is into some behavior that mom & dad don't want them to do.

I guess its just the continuing story of life. It used to be kids dying from alcohol (directly or indirectly) and now its drugs.

Honestly there is no simple solution. It is probably worse here because there is limited things to do.

I mean the options are really this

Go to a ballgame
Go to a movie
Go bowling
Go walmart
Go eat

That's it effectively.

Now I know good kids who never did a thing but got tired of the same old, same old. Or the nothing. If you put a good kid out there, with nothing to do, who doesn't want to do anything but the options are sit at home, or go to a friends house where there are girls/guys, what are they going to do. Most don't go and do anything/everything the first time but they go a time or two and do nothing but sit around and talk. The next time, maybe they have a beer because everybody else there is drinking so what does it hurt. They have a good time so next time they drink more. They have a bad time and someone says well no wonder beer sucks, try this booze. Eventually someone they like or think is cool is doing something, and they think well it doesn't hurt them, so whats it hurt me, besides they have been over here doing whatever for months and never hurt them. Of course odds are nothing happens the first time so the next time they don't think about it. On it goes.

I honestly can speak for myself, that back when I used to could go sit out in Clintwood, hang out with friends, maybe see some people cruising around (girls from other towns, who are we kidding), I could have a great time just doing that. Didn't need anything to help me have a good time. Once it got to the point that they started running off people parking or cruisers, as a teen or young adult you had to find something to do, and especially a way to meet some of the other sex. I went several times and never touched anything. After awhile, being one of the good people, I'd get bored or get tired of being the one who didn't touch anything, so yes, I eventually gave into drinking some. Thankfully with seeing the effects of drugs to some family, I didn't give into that, but its really a slippery slope that most can't stop.

My honest opinion. I know that kids can be messy and you'll always have some bad eggs (like we talk about in relation to everything else) who end up ruining things for everybody, but in sticking it to the bad eggs, you stick it to the good ones as well.

Yeah you have cruisers, you are going to have some kids who are out there speeding, hanging out of cars, playing music to loud, etc. You have people parking in lots, you're going to have litter and yes, probably a few who sit there and drink or whatever, but you have to find some middle ground.

I used to park in a lot in Clintwood and a town cop would pull in and talk to us. Guess what, we didn't care, we were sitting there, watching people and I guess being watched. We was talking one time about someone they had pulled over a few days earlier, and the cop made a good point. He said he was suspicious that they had been drinking but as long as they sat still in the lot, they wasn't out on the road, and running people off the road or wrecking. As he said, kids are going to find a place to go, at least there, he could keep an eye on them. Once they were out of town though, with all the backroads and curves we have, it was just an invite for an accident.

If this area really wants to slow down drugs, give kids some options. Don't treat them like trash and try to eliminate options. Guess what, its not going to get fixed over night. It didn't go to hell overnight either. It's just that a lot of adults who used to sit out at all the little drive-ins or shops that they used to meet their wives or some of their best friends have forgotten what they did growing up.

The kid that passed away was a good friend of mine. I have never known of him using drugs, except drinking occasionally. He was an all around good kid and never caused harm. He was active in sport and I never thought I'd see him gone. The first time using drugs was his last. People need to think about the consequences of using drugs, especially pills. I'm not saying I'm inncocent by far, but losing a buddy of mine sure has opened my eyes along with others. People, espcally kids, need to think about their actions. I honestly think that there should be a program in schools showing the side effects of specific drugs and the harm that they can do to someone instead of being taught that drugs are "bad" without showing what harm that a certain and specific drug can do. Kids need to be more educated. The drug problem in our area will never go away no matter how many busts go down. As many have said, we need more to do around here. The same stuff gets old. We use to cuise Wal-Mart parking lot until the cops started writing tickets and such. Then the hanging out moved to the mountains where many got ran off or charged with trespassing for kids fourwheeling and having a good time. After all of that was taken away, what's left for us to do? I know that's no excuse, but think about it?

Kids do drugs because they are surrounded by them constantly. It doesn't matter where you live. It just seems that, in areas like SWVA, where there is little to nothing to do, drugs are the main option. This will never change. And it keeps getting harder and harder to raise kids in a society like we have today.

Plenty of things for kids to do. Want to save a kid's life? Buy them a gun or fishing rod and take them fishing and hunting.

Kids are now getting the mentality that drugs are harmless. A kid just DIED from it. Do they think it's harmless now?

No, it's not our lives, it's their's. And it's our life to tell them it's wrong and possibly and hopefully save a life.

I am glad I was not exposed to most of the drugs that kids are exposed too today when I was in school. The worst things we did when I was in school was drink and smoke dope, none of this cocaine, prescription drugs, and all that other crap that they are exposed too. I know if I was exposed to this stuff in school and peer pressure and all I am sure I would have been tempted to do them..... IMO Parents need to be more aware of what their kids are doing, that is where most of the problems are.

They were there man, I saw alot of Coke and pills. Never say any oxy's or anything that extreme but the other stuff was there. The majority of those people are dead or in prison now though so I guess they are pretty much a prime example of why not to get into that junk.

I know they were there, just not as prominant as they are today. You had to really search for them if you wanted them not just show up on any street corner and there they are like Tylenol.

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I honestly think that there should be a program in schools showing the side effects of specific drugs and the harm that they can do to someone instead of being taught that drugs are "bad" without showing what harm that a certain and specific drug can do.

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We had the DARE program growing up. They came to school every Wednesday. Drug eduction was specific, we were taught what they looked like, smelled like, what category they were in, what they did to a person, etc.
And look at all the dopeheads that came out of my generation. It's apparently "cooler" to listen to a friend than a cop that comes to you weekly for years. I just dont understand how people can forget all we were taught those years. Did they just not believe what we were taught?

I had that DARE program from like first to 6th grade. The cop kept mentioning something every session, "Don't touch stuff that isn't safe to put in your mouth".

Some people say that the cops are being jerks and that they don't have to listen to them. I'm kind of sick of the anarachy fad that seems to be going around. It's always "me" who is the only thing important in this world.

Yeah, some cops are jerks, but when it comes to drugs and such, how do you want them to react? Give you a pat on the back when you do drugs and say "good job buddy"?

I've talked to some people who were arrested and say they still do drugs. Maybe the punishment from the law wasn't enough?

I'm no cop. I don't plan to be a cop, but to those cops who are strict when it comes to issues such as this, congratulations.

If I have to use harmful substances to be cool then I think I'd much rather be part of the "uncool" community. People do it to be cool.

I had this same discussion last week at a conference I had to attend, but the subject was sex and not drugs. As a parent and educator, it is my opinion that kids don't trust adults, think adults are stupid, and stuff like this won't ever happen to me. I can say that, because I was like that and I believe most teens would tell you the same thing. The education is there. The messages are being sent via multiple routes. The consequences for alcohol and drug offenses are way stiffer than they were 20 years ago. I hate to sound cynical, but the bottom line is that most kids learn the hard way. This young man's death is tragic and may save several lives. But, experience tells me that it won't make a dent in the problem. I would be more concerned with the cause rather than the solution, to be very honest. For the most part, taking drugs is a voluntary action. A person knows whether it's right or wrong; knows what their intention is for taking the drugs; has been told prior to taking the drugs that it can be potentially harmful. So, with all that, why still take them? It is a question that really bothers me, both as a parent and a teacher. I told my class, in very unspecific terms (because I only heard that a student had died), about this instance. Sure, it shook them up. But what about next week, month, or year? At some point kids have got to quit being kids and start thinking about the finality of their lives. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed. Sorry if I'm preaching.

Buy them a gun or a fishing pole...first off, neither of those is giving kids interaction with the opposite sex normally.

I would tend to agree that it would be good if that was the case, but most of the people I know or knew who were big into fishing were drunk or drinking 1/2 the time they fished. Let's not go into those who are drunk all night on hunting trips then out in the morning hungover or still buzzed.

I agree that those are good options and something to help, but most people hunt either alone or with a hunting buddy. Kind of the same boat fishing. That's not giving them too much interaction, which is where most of the partying comes in.

We have slowly took away a lot of what the kids use to have.

But now what if they had it back in this age. Crusining was a cool thing. Some drink and it was just a social thing. But times have changed. Can you bring it back and not have what you have now or more of it.

I don't know or have the answers. Just trying to point some attention to a problem. One that will not end quickly.

Having known this kid personally makes it harder. A good kid known for just wanting to be what he was a kid. Play around and yeah maybe sneak a drink occassionally. Most of what he did was to get attention. And to be accepted. Peer pressure in some ways.

But a kid that will not play in his final senior football game, get to go to the prom. Get to do all the things he should of gotten to do.

It was his choice to experiment. A choice i know if he could recall he would.
My only problem with all of this, other than a young man losing his life, is the ease with which all these prescription drugs are hitting the streets and all over.

I don't have all the answers. But i will challenge those who work around kids and with kids. Pay attention. Be nosy. If it may save a kids life. Or maybe help out in some way. Maybe you will benefit. I know some don't like that. And i've had some tell me they don't.
But someone has to look out for these kids and teach them.

Soon we may be erecting a wall of those lost to the battle of drugs. Maybe that will be the ever day reminder. If it's put at the local schools in an area where it can be seen.

Honestly im just tired of seeing it hushed up and over. We got some serious drug problems from all age groups in this area. It's time we realize that and that we ask for some help. How many has to perish before we do realize it?

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Buy them a gun or a fishing pole...first off, neither of those is giving kids interaction with the opposite sex normally.

I would tend to agree that it would be good if that was the case, but most of the people I know or knew who were big into fishing were drunk or drinking 1/2 the time they fished. Let's not go into those who are drunk all night on hunting trips then out in the morning hungover or still buzzed.

I agree that those are good options and something to help, but most people hunt either alone or with a hunting buddy. Kind of the same boat fishing. That's not giving them too much interaction, which is where most of the partying comes in.

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Your brush is a little too big.

Lets see broad brush
using words like 'normally' 'most of the people I knew who were big into fishing', 'most people hunt alone or with a hunting buddy'...

Don't think I made it broad, but I think you can most people don't hunt or fish with large groups. I mean the posting you all have done on here, sounds like most of the time its a couple of you.

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you must not have been paying attention, wise county has done the same the past few months, and their investigations are ongoing.

the ultimate responsibility for these kids however is their parents. one major problem though is that a lot of the parents are doing the same thing.

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Gotta agree there six4three. Looking at the arrests last week in Lee, I noticed alot of the same last names with ages varying from say 55-18. Putting two and two together, it seems like a lot of it was families doing the same stuff. Its really sad.

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Buy them a gun or a fishing pole...first off, neither of those is giving kids interaction with the opposite sex normally.

I would tend to agree that it would be good if that was the case, but most of the people I know or knew who were big into fishing were drunk or drinking 1/2 the time they fished. Let's not go into those who are drunk all night on hunting trips then out in the morning hungover or still buzzed.

I agree that those are good options and something to help, but most people hunt either alone or with a hunting buddy. Kind of the same boat fishing. That's not giving them too much interaction, which is where most of the partying comes in.

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You are lumping all hunting and fishing into drunk party barger's and [censored] hunters which has nothing to do with hunting but more with settin on a tailgate getting drunk.

Teaching a kid to really hunt and fish is a very viable means to keep them off drug's and they are getting interaction with their parents and gives parents more time to teach their kids the values needed to keep them off of drugs.

Nope afraid I'm not lumping. I said most that I know who were big into it. No question there are some who don't but there are quite a few who do and to say otherwise would be a joke

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Nope afraid I'm not lumping. I said most that I know who were big into it. No question there are some who don't but there are quite a few who do and to say otherwise would be a joke

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Don't look at all of the Clintwood slob hunters and Flanagan fatass fishers and consider them to be a representative of the outdoors community as a whole.

That would be like me saying all of the black people in Norton deal drugs just because a few have been arrested for it. Or that all of the police in Coeburn are offering no tickets as long as they get a [censored].

Are there slob hunters and fishermen out there? Of course. But you must not have very much experience out of Dickenson Co.

There are far far more responsible hunters and fishermen than there are slob outdoorsmen.

Ok lets think about that for a second. One of the biggest reason I know that most people in this area don't go up hunting in Bath county or such anymore was because of the liquored up hunters. Lets consider out Cherokee area and such about drunk fishers and boaters.

Sorry if the so called brush hits you or some of your friends or things but oh well. Never said that it was 70% of the population, just a better portion than you are wanting to admit.

However the biggest issue I had with that as an alternative is the social interaction. Heck you can give a kid a porno mag and they can have fun all day too, but thats not going to really help fix the problem, or the relation to drugs, which is kids in a social environment. There has to be places to go, things to do that they can do with groups, and opposite sex. Most people don't think of sitting in the woods being quiet as a good date. Ditto for fishing. Its fine for people to do, and great that you like/love it but you're not exactly the kids trying to find someone, now are you?

We need some changes and we need them soon. What i have no idea.
But something for these kids to help turn them away from what is becoming an alarming problem. Drugs. Snorting, injectables, etc etc.
And we need some who don't care to be called narc, punk, or a few under cover folks, whatever it takes to get drugs out of our schools. And away from the kids.
And to catch those selling to our kids.
Tougher sentences for those who sell. And if it causes a death. A penalty that is stiff enough to meet the crime.
A preacher i once knew had a saying. I can get them into church with a hot dog. And on the outside Satan is offering them hamburgers.
Yeah i know think about it.
But it drives a few things home in some ways.
We need a serious look at our local problems. Not just a quick fix of arrest a 100 and their back out and selling again and then forget it.
But a lasting one answer to a alot of questions for our kids.
One would be parents who will be parents and not worry about the attitude. I didnt' like what all my parents wanted me to do. But hey. They were the parents and i had to live. It worked out. I am still alive and i learned, hey mom and dad. They weren't to stupid for being parents first instead of friends first and then parents.
I was just a little to young for the attitude i had at the time. Hmm.
But one thing. When they spoke i knew they meant business. And my feelings mattered. But also i knew who's house i lived in. And my backside was their's. They help get me and they were gonna keep me regardless of my stupidity.
We use to be a proud people here in this area. Where has the pride gone to?

Those selling to our kids are our kids. The real thing about drugs and people who use them is they choose to use them, they choose not to hunt, fish, play sports, read books, play instruments, bake cakes, build bridges, or whatever people want to suggest. It isnt out of bordom, its out of the want to feel the effect. It often does not hit home until something tragic happens.

Sadly with many kids its a second generation thing, parents abuse, so the kids do as well. And let me tell every parent right now, if you think your kid couldnt be involved, wouldnt dare be involed, I assure you, they very well could be.

You drove a lot of what i was saying home. It's a shame to say but it's true.
We have to change. If not what does our future hold?

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Ok lets think about that for a second. One of the biggest reason I know that most people in this area don't go up hunting in Bath county or such anymore was because of the liquored up hunters. Lets consider out Cherokee area and such about drunk fishers and boaters.


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The first I have heard of anyone not going to Bath County or anywhere else to hunt because of the drunks. You did get it part right on the Cherokee or any other body of water for that matter, it is not the fisherman but the "boaters" that are the problem and by the way fisherman hate them as well.
But as I said before hunting and fishing are tools to be used as parents to get time with their kids to teach them how to be responsible and not get into drinking and drugs. Wanting to leave them to learn these things with their peers and with the opposite sex by giving them somewhere to hang out is wherein the problem lies that the parents need to spend more time with their kids and what better way to do that than to take them hunting or fishing or golfing, to a ballgame, to the park and shoot hoops, etc.

Shocked that is the first you heard. One of the biggest reasons I heard that a lot pushed to open hunting in the area counties. That and you pay attention when there is a hunting accident, most of the time, there is alcohol involved. And as far as the boaters, maybe I'm crazy but quite a few of the people I see on boats fish. Yes there are some crazies just going up and around the lakes or whatever you are using but a good portion fish as well.

I see your point on parents spending time with kids, and thats great, but that isn't going to happen all their life. Kids are going to be kids, kids are going to grow, parents, no matter how great, become uncool, kids need socializing with other kids, and sorry puberty hits them all.

Some of these 'great kids' have had the parental influence, otherwise they wouldn't be great kids who play ball or did anything else, but taking a kid hunting isn't going to keep them from possibly going into anything else anymore than having a kid play football is.

I mean lets be real here, there are kids who have almost no role model who never do anything. There are kids who appear to have great role models who get into everything.

It's never going to stop no matter what. There is always going to be the 'cool factor', as in the past it was smoking, then drinking, now drugs. You just have to know and sadly accept that a percentage of the population is going to engage in unhealthy activities and well, a percentage is going to die. The best thing to do is try and find ways to keep the percentage low, give alternatives, and realize that you can't get reach 10% who are going to do it no matter, but try to reach the 60% who are 'subjective'. That is giving them options where they have activities/things to do and yes, you have to give them opportunities where they can have fun, but decent fun.

I fully agree that parents need to spend more time with their kids. Unfortunately, alot of modern parents have been duped with the concept of "quality" time. It isn't so much about quality as quantity. The quality time concept does some to appease the parents and coddle them into thinking they are doing a good job. Our kids, on the other hand, need quantity time; in fact, they desperately need it. Whether we spend time with them hunting, fishing, or whatever, they yearn for that time. As parents we also have a clear biblical mandate to train our children. Train implies that alot of time and effort are required. Any activity that we share with a kid may open the door to discuss some weightier issue, such as drugs, premarital sex, etc. Quantity time allows us as parents the opportunities to be there when that door opens.

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I fully agree that parents need to spend more time with their kids. Unfortunately, alot of modern parents have been duped with the concept of "quality" time. It isn't so much about quality as quantity. The quality time concept does some to appease the parents and coddle them into thinking they are doing a good job. Our kids, on the other hand, need quantity time; in fact, they desperately need it. Whether we spend time with them hunting, fishing, or whatever, they yearn for that time. As parents we also have a clear biblical mandate to train our children. Train implies that alot of time and effort are required. Any activity that we share with a kid may open the door to discuss some weightier issue, such as drugs, premarital sex, etc. Quantity time allows us as parents the opportunities to be there when that door opens.

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Exactly the point I was trying to make, that parents are the most influential force on a child no matter what age. I understand the hitting puberty and the uncool part but even at this age they still value and respect the advice and iteraction of their parents and will remember the warnings that parents give more than anyone else.

This is the first I heard of the drunks in Bath County also. I always thought it was were hunting was poor in Bath County for a few years, because everybody and there brother was there killing anything that moved. Same happened at Wythville at one time.

As for fishing I do see a good portion of drunks, but there are more that are out there having fun. Most people see one or two drinking and tell everybody that there were nothing but drunks on the water today. Kind of like the whole I tell you this and you tell someone and we will see how it grows.

As for hunting accidents most are because people fall from treestands and don't know were they are going, not because of alcohol.

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fully agree that parents need to spend more time with their kids. Unfortunately, alot of modern parents have been duped with the concept of "quality" time. It isn't so much about quality as quantity.

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Quantity means alot. A word most don't actually know the meaning of.

You can't be there 24/7 but the reality is. Most kids and parents today seldom talk. Outside of when there is a problem most parents refuse to think. Their child could do anything.

We got real problems with drugs and our kids. Not just the kids but some of the parents and just the adults.

Maybe when there is enough OD's and suicides some will begin to look at it.

Until then. Right now the avg. OD call is 3 per week. I guess until they start being DOA or other type calls they won't get the attention they need.

Answers i don't have them all. But a good parent child relationship, with parents being parents first and friends second may help.

I raised a few kids one was my own. Wasn't always perfect but we always talked. And it was an open talk. From Drugs to sex. Sometimes my view was not easily taken. But years later it was more understood.