va became the first state to formally apologize for slavery. thoughts???
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va became the first state to formally apologize for slavery. thoughts???
That's stupid. why apologize for something that happened so many many years ago? Also, slavery never started here, it was just carried over when they discovered this new land.
I'm with steer on this one, why apologize?
My thoughts?
"Wow, that's pointless and stupid. Get over it and move on - the past will remain the past."
hahahahahaha
when discussing a state making a formal apology for slavery:
" Get over it and move on - the past will remain the past. "
thats my new sig.
I can understand why most blacks are affectedd but I agree. It was over 140 years ago. It's time to move on and quit acting like you're still a slave.
IMO, an official apology is worthwhile, especially if it is earnest. I personally believe it is a clear Biblical principle - nations are called to repent; so too should a state. Who knows - we may receive more of God's favor as a result.
LOL
No, we'll just see the state of Virginia getting sued now [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I wonder when Italy is going to send me an apology for the Romans enslaving my ancestors?? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Did anyone alive today have anything at all to do with slavery? So what is the point of an appology for something somebody else did over 100 years ago? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Makes no sense to me.
While I agree with you, I was agreeing with the point that Biggin made. And yeah, a lot of the black people (nowhere near all of them) are acting like we're cracking the whip at them when we don't bow down. That's my point.
I do agree with VA's move. You do something that you know is wrong, then apologize.
I also think that other states, both northern and southern owe some of these minorities apologies.
But it really is time to move on. Meaning, don't necessarily forget about what happened, but forget about judging.
But yeah. The state of Virginia could receive a blessing for God for repenting.
I'm not 165 years old...so I don't owe anyone an apology.
I grow more ashamed to be from Va all the time.
I didn't ask you to like my opinion. You can feel how you want. If you feel like you owe someone an apology, that's you. I don't.
My Cherokee ancestors are awaiting their apology now.
Actualy theres was built into this one
My bad it is just a simular bill doing the same thing sorry
Seems you're the only one laughing, Biggin. Seems most people tend to agree with me, eh? It was a long time ago - we need to move on and accept that mistakes are made.
That's not to say you shouldn't learn from mistakes in the past, but to apologize for something that happened that long ago? Jesus. At this point and time, honestly, it makes no difference.
That's about all I have to say.
I want my parents to apologize for all the "slave" labor I had to indure when I lived at home. We had a tobacco field not to mention the regular garden and believe me when there are 3 boys in the family....jeez the potatoes we had to hoe. So mom and dad.....apologize!!
Just kidding. You know, this part of Va. along with West Va. never had that many slaves or if any to begin with. The people from this area did not believe in slavery and believed in doing their own work. That is why West Va. split. (Thank God!)
My feelings....we do not have to apologize for anything! That happened over 144 years agao and I had nothing to do with any of that. So why should I apologize for something I had no control over. Let those people on those plantations on the James River worry about that crap!
I also wonder how much of out tax dollars were used for this proclamation? Waste if you ask me!
These were all in the university newspaper. They're pretty interesting.
This is a good article (written by a minority) discussing the issue.
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArtic...9&pid=1535
A little less tempered in opposition to the apology: http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArtic...35&pid=559
Provides a nice overview of the differing points:
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArtic...5&pid=1526
Well we should admit that we were wrong in slavery.
But how do the effects of slavery continue to influence black people? I mean I don't know what it's like to have my family sold into slavery. The majority of us are not promoting slavery and we acknowledge that it happened and that it was wrong. And we know there is still racism.
I mean, look at Rome. The Romans used to persecute Christians quite often. That was nearly 1500 or so years ago. I don't see any Italians trying to feed me or my other fellow Christians to lions. They should acknowledge that it happened, but if I lived in Italy I wouldn't go around demanding affirmative action from employers because I'm a Christian.
The British should acknowledge some of the junk they put the Indians through when they barged in over here. I'm part Cherokee. I'm not gonna go around demanding every British person do something to repay me because of how they treated my ancestors.
My point is, while opressors' descendants should acknowledge that their ancestors were wrong, the opressees' descendants should learn forgiveness.
As conservative as I am, I do think VA did the right thing by at least acknowledging that they were wrong. But things such as demanding people to repay you for what their ancestors did to your's is only going to cause more racism.
Like I said before, I'm not going to go to some Italian person and start assuming that I'll be fed to the lions and start demanding to be repayed for the way they treated my fellow Christians nearly 1500 years ago.
We are just going to have to learn to forgive.
Tell me trumpet...how were "we" wrong?...Were you walkin the earth back in 1860 ? "We" don't take credit for sailing to the New World. "We" don't take credit for establishing this country. "We" don't take credit for settling the frontier clear to the Pacific. So, How were "we" wrong in slavery. Maybe the folks that lived then were wrong. But it's not an institution of our lifetime, so "we" owe no one anything.
Hell my ancestors counted afford slaves even if they wanted too. They came from Ireland because that [censored] potatoe famine (sp). Also I think if we are going to say sorry, my bad, to one race then we might as well say sorry to all races.
Good articles all three. These students write better, and more concisely and thoughtfully than a majority of the editorialists in the stable of most mainstream newspapers. Thanks for posting these.
Just something else to keep the race baiters in business.
I am a descendent of slaveholders. I am also a descendent of indentured servants and of transported criminals. I feel no compulsion to apologize for any of them. The culture in which they lived did not regard slavery with the same degree of repugnance that is now attached to it. Virtually all of the cultures of West Africa at the time of the slave trade practised some form of slavery- so did much of Europe. It does not bother me that the General Assembly passed a resolution condemning the practice as long as due respect is shown for all periods of Virginia history- something which has not been done of late- witness the SCV licence plate. Attempts to ban a flag my ancestors fought under in the name of political correctness are vile and uncalled for. I would support a dead skunk for political office before I would support a politician or educator who banned the display of Confederate battle flag
anyone see the story in the Kingsport paper today about the lost side or the lost stories of slavery? It was about Black slave owners. pretty interesting, it focused on one family mostly.
well, it could have been yesterdays paper. I read both today
There were many black slaveowners.
There was one black who came over as an indentured servant. Once freed, he amassed quite the collection of slaves. His name escapes me at the moment.
Well just think if we never brought black people over here. Most of the descendents of the slaves today would be living in some poor village in Africa.
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My Cherokee ancestors are awaiting their apology now.
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blame andrew jackson for that one.
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I am a descendent of slaveholders. I am also a descendent of indentured servants and of transported criminals. I feel no compulsion to apologize for any of them. The culture in which they lived did not regard slavery with the same degree of repugnance that is now attached to it. Virtually all of the cultures of West Africa at the time of the slave trade practised some form of slavery- so did much of Europe. It does not bother me that the General Assembly passed a resolution condemning the practice as long as due respect is shown for all periods of Virginia history- something which has not been done of late- witness the SCV licence plate. Attempts to ban a flag my ancestors fought under in the name of political correctness are vile and uncalled for. I would support a dead skunk for political office before I would support a politician or educator who banned the display of Confederate battle flag
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I wholeheartedly agree.
My ancestors were mainly of Irish, German, and Cherokee descent. I would say it would be safe to bet that 99% of us on here had ancestors that "didn't have a pot to pee in", let alone own slaves. One percent of the population owned ninety percent of the slaves. If one of my forefathers did own slaves, then the need for apology falls on his shoulders, not mine. The Bible teaches very clearly that we can answer for our sins ONLY. Early Christians, some of which were slaves, were taught to make the best of the situation they were in. Did God (GASP!!) endorse slavery??? He must have, since He allowed His children to stay in Egypt as slaves for 400 years. Has Egypt ever apologized for what the Pharoahs did? Germany for Hitler? Italy for Mussolini? Japan for Hirohito? Mongolia for Genghis Khan?
I think the "official" apology is a joke, and is not binding to me or my ancestors.
I'm sure everybody has seen "Animal House" when Bluto smashed the guitar? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
why is it such a big deal to say sorry for something as horrible as slavery?
I think its great VA is apologizing for it.
i dont agree with reparation or anything, but a formal apology was a great sign.
once again, I just cannot believe their is ACTUAL OPPOSITION to a formal apology to slavery.
we shouldnt let it go, we shouldnt forget about it, remember how things were, ALWAYS remember, just keep it as a reminder to how far this country has come, and still moving forward.
I am for VA apologizing for certain people if they didn't already do it.
But yeah, a lot of black people need to move on. If they weren't trying to victimize themselves and expecting all white people to bow down to them today, then a great deal of this racism wouldn't be happening.
Over here at Berea, on MLK Jr. day, they reenacted the March on Washington by marching from the college to the city hall and the student chaplain at the other freshman male dorm who was black reenacted Dr. King's speech. If they want to do that, good for them. But at one of the basketball games one night I happened to overhear a few black students talking, well complaining. They were saying "man I can't believe they didn't recognize MLK Jr. day that much and yet everybody's always making a big deal over St. Patrick's Day". I thought to myself, "wow they cancelled classes and reenacted the March on Washington, and all anybody ever does on St. Patrick's Day is encourage you to wear green so you don't get pinched, why are they complaining?"
While I agreed with the apology, I have a bad feeling that a lot of black folks who have the victim mentality are gonna demand more. We apologized for slavery, gave them their voting rights that they should have equally, automatically give them jobs even if it means denying the job to a white person who happens to be more qualified, give them an entire month, etc. Is that not enough?
If they want a job, they should earn it, not get it just because they are a minority. That, itself, is discrimination.
I disagree with this whole apology thing to begin with. I doubt that my ancestors owned any slaves, being as they were pretty poor, but if they did I say good for them. Why apologize for something that you didnt do?
"but if they did, good for them"
what??!?!?
you are a moron, [censored] son.
Yeah I agree. I haven't done anything. I've never owned a slave. But if my ancestors did, good for them. In that day and time, it was their way of life. What many people don't realize is that slavery just wasn't black people, there were native americans, irish-men, scotts, mexicans, spaniards, etc.... I mean, yes as time went on, it got more into racism than slavery. But do we, as generation X, or generatin now (i think that's the new generation's name)... NO, we do not have to aplogize, nor should anyone who wasn't directly involved in that time.
But slavery exist today, the only thing is they don't live in the harsh conditions that they lived in during those times. Also, we have new names for them, more formal, Butlers, personal assistants, etc. I mean, what's the difference, it's people working for higher end people, and getting paid to do everything they dont want to do.
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Yeah I agree. I haven't done anything. I've never owned a slave. But if my ancestors did, good for them. In that day and time, it was their way of life. What many people don't realize is that slavery just wasn't black people, there were native americans, irish-men, scotts, mexicans, spaniards, etc.... I mean, yes as time went on, it got more into racism than slavery. But do we, as generation X, or generatin now (i think that's the new generation's name)... NO, we do not have to aplogize, nor should anyone who wasn't directly involved in that time.
But slavery exist today, the only thing is they don't live in the harsh conditions that they lived in during those times. Also, we have new names for them, more formal, Butlers, personal assistants, etc. I mean, what's the difference, it's people working for higher end people, and getting paid to do everything they dont want to do.
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100% agreed .. very well put and several great points.
I get the feeling that most of the time on here, people would rather lash out with insults than try and be constructive or deal with disagreements reasonably.
Why not just appologize to the British for dumping their tea into the harbor while we're at it?????
Makes about as much sense.
In related news:
The U.S aploogized to the Jewish for not getting to them soon enough when the Nazis committed those atrocities.
The U.S. also apologized to the Native Americans for stealing their land, as well as demanded an apology from the French for stabbing us in the back after we saved their [censored].
Apologies are expected to be extended to the Polish for the polock jokes, the Mexicans for hiring them so cheaply, and the Cubans, for stealing their baseball olympians.
This world is getting so thin-skinned [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]