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Do many of you believe that The enemy (the Devil) is behind evill things such as the 911 attacks and the VT shootings?

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Do many of you believe that The enemy (the Devil) is behind evill things such as the 911 attacks and the VT shootings?

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Since no one has replied yet... I will go ahead and state my outlook toward it. I believe all things are inspired by good or evil... God being good and the Devil being evil. We have many new diagnosis about different disorders that people have. I am going to mention a few but please do not become offended if you know someone with these disorders. ADHD, Add, Bi- Polar and so on.... years ago you never heard of these did you? We can say 2 things happened here either it took the science department hundreds of years to figure things out or we are just labling behaviors and putting a name on them. Remember when Jesus was in the boats with his Disciples and he went to Legion and cast the demons out and they went into the swine and the swine drowned? He never said hey you are skitso.. or hey you are Bi-Polar.. he said come out of him.... I believe whatever we allow to control our mind will overtake us... our thoughts are powerful and eventually become actions. I do not understand everything about so called disorders and I am not a doctor but I believe it can be demonic influences... anyone have any comments on this?

I think we are getting closer to the end of the Book.

My wife is ADD and my son is ADHD. I'm going to work out so I don't say something that will get me banned, but I will be back after I get settled down.

I think its the government.

After having cooled off for a night, I will comment on this topic and then go cool off again. I am completely offended by your comments of demonic presences in people who have disorders that manifest in certain behaviors. I think it is time that you go out and do some research on all these disorders and find out what they are before you decide that it is really a Satan vs. God thing. These disorders are biological in nature and involve the chemistry in the brain. People who have ADD, ADHD, Bi-Polar Disorder, and some of the other ones are born with it. There are certain tests and criteria that you have to meet before you officially get the label. And for your information, these disorders have always been around. But times have changed a lot in the last 20 years. You cannot drop out of school when you are 16. Classes are longer and more intense. There is no social promotion. Accountability is very high. These disorders are as medical as diabetes, high blood pressure, and cancer. I'd love to hear you rail on about how those are really demonic presences.

COme on, you know better when you get a cold its temporary poesseion. ALl that snot comes from your nose and the bowls of Satan. I know a bunch of Death Metal bands write songs about it, my favorite is "I gave you the Flu, I gave you the Devil" [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

You never heard of ACL injuires, much either. You never heard of a lot of things, medical advancements have changed the entire world. Instead of listing someone as "crazy" we can isolate and help treat certain ailments and diseases specifically.
Your logic is often scary, I do not know who you are beyond your screen name, so do not get offended when I comment on this, much of the things you say, I dunno. I may need to go cool off as well.

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Do many of you believe that The enemy (the Devil) is behind evill things such as the 911 attacks and the VT shootings?

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Since no one has replied yet... I will go ahead and state my outlook toward it. I believe all things are inspired by good or evil... God being good and the Devil being evil. We have many new diagnosis about different disorders that people have. I am going to mention a few but please do not become offended if you know someone with these disorders. ADHD, Add, Bi- Polar and so on.... years ago you never heard of these did you? We can say 2 things happened here either it took the science department hundreds of years to figure things out or we are just labling behaviors and putting a name on them. Remember when Jesus was in the boats with his Disciples and he went to Legion and cast the demons out and they went into the swine and the swine drowned? He never said hey you are skitso.. or hey you are Bi-Polar.. he said come out of him.... I believe whatever we allow to control our mind will overtake us... our thoughts are powerful and eventually become actions. I do not understand everything about so called disorders and I am not a doctor but I believe it can be demonic influences... anyone have any comments on this?

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So let's see...do you think gravity is inspired by good or evil? Or is it just some phenomenon that Newton thought up to scientifically explain something God/Devil controlled by scientific means? I mean, think about it--had we ever heard of gravity before the 1680's? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Look--just because something is scientifically explained doesn't mean it is demonic or divinely inspired. It doesn't mean that it's not either, though. I'm sure there's plenty of forces that we cannot scientifically explain in this world that are driven by forces of good & evil.

However--if you want to look at diseases--track it back to the Garden. When the devil tempted Eve into taking of the tree of life and eating the fruit, and then Eve gave the fruit to Adam...that intrinsically made all of us innately depraved. (NOTE--this is if we're tracing things back from the beginning of the Bible.)

Now--if you take the concept of innate depravity and expand it out a little bit--it basically means born of sin, and perfection cannot exist in the presence of sin, so thusly--we are imperfect beings from the start.

Since we are imperfect beings, our bodies aren't going to stay healthy due to environmental factors created by our own free will, choices we've made to pollute and royally screw up our earth from what God intended for it to be. I feel that a bit of Darwinism will tell us that the more imperfect beings breed with each other and have offspring, the more that we will all be susceptible to disease.

So it's not demonic possession--it's more likely a function of an increase in biomedical knowledge along with the continual creation of increasingly genetically imperfect offspring.

Take it or leave it--that's my thought and the logic behind it.

That was a great response. Gotta go for now, the spawn of Satan wants to go play ball. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Hard to believe that people with things like ADHD do normal things like play Little League and ride their bikes. Should have seen his report card; 96, 92, 86, 84, 88, 87. All in regular ed. classes. He/we work very hard to have a "normal" family.

ya know this brings up a good topic for discussion, because everybody knows when something bad happens it's "because of the devil". That's all you hear people say. But don't those exact same people also say, God knows what's going to happen to you before it ever does, thus, does it mean God planned for the bad things to happen in your life, or is it actually the devil?

Almost like you're in my mind. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I want PacMan's version on Andrea Yates. Remember the woman that drowned her kids to save them from Satan. Was it post partum psychosis, or did she do it to protect them from Satan? I'm not being blasphemous, as I think most people are familiar with this case.

While I agree that there are plenty of legitimate mental disorders, one cannot dismiss demon possession or demon influence. The Bible records many instances of demon possesion/influence, and I have no reason to believe that we are suddenly immune to all that. Quite the contrary, as I think Satan is working overtime since he is also a student of the Bible and knows the end could come at any time. Thankfully, believers are already holders of He, the Holy Spirit, so there is no room in us for a demonic being. Unfortunately Satan can still inflict harm on believers by his influence on non-believers.

Let's make sure we don't confuse the Satan stuff with the mental illness/behavioral disorder stuff. If you read PacMan's post, again, you will understand my agitation to his comments.

So someone born with a mental defficent problem or someone born with a physical ailment is born demon poessed? If your born with webbed feet are you in the 7th level of hell?

I understand it completely and completely agree with you on that. What I was pointing out is that sometimes we assume, as does the medical community, that a person's behavior is explained away as mental illness. That is not always the case. As my grandpa used to say, some people are just plain mean. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] That comes not from mental illness but the influence of Satan.

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So someone born with a mental defficent problem or someone born with a physical ailment is born demon poessed? If your born with webbed feet are you in the 7th level of hell?

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Didn't understand my post at all, did you? Read the first sentence again. Things do not always turn out to be what they seem to be.

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ya know this brings up a good topic for discussion, because everybody knows when something bad happens it's "because of the devil". That's all you hear people say. But don't those exact same people also say, God knows what's going to happen to you before it ever does, thus, does it mean God planned for the bad things to happen in your life, or is it actually the devil?

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God allows things to happen for His reasons. It may be as a test, as chastisement, as an object lesson, etc. He also deliberately brings trouble your way, sometimes as a test, as chastisement, as an object lesson, etc. You can see examples of that in the lives of Joseph, David, Jonah, Samson, etc... To know for sure that you are not going to be excluded from this, read the book of Job. Job was a man who God declared to Satan was like no one else on earth. Satan insisted that Job loved God only because God hedged him about and protected him, and that if real trouble came his way, he would curse God. God then gave Satan permission to have his way with Job, only he could not touch his soul, as that belonged to God. If Job and David, both men who were said to be "after God's own heart", were subjected to sorrow, pain, and absolute horror, should we expect to be exempt?? I tell you, if you haven't known trouble, you will. If you haven't known sorrow, you will. If you haven't known horrors, you will.
We are told by Jesus that God holds us in the hollow of His hand and no one can snatch us out of His hand. He is speaking of believers whose souls Satan can't touch, but whose lives Satan can and will make miserable at every opportunity, either directly or indirectly. He has his job to do, you know. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I agree with the "some people are just mean" statement, but that can even be explained. If you grow up in an enviornment where negative behaviors are encouraged and tolerated, then you will exhibit negative behaviors. Health professionals are very specific when determining whether somebody has a biological problem or whether they just grew up in a really bad enviornment and that's why they behave the way they do.

My ex-wife worked as a counselor at a group home for troubled teens back in the early 90's . She said she was shocked by the number of the more troubled kids (especially the violent ones) whose case file contained mentions of satanic activities by one or both parents.

She was first of all astounded by the mentions, the number of mentions, and the correlation to violent behavior by the kids.

Just thought it was worth a mention.

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My wife is ADD and my son is ADHD. I'm going to work out so I don't say something that will get me banned, but I will be back after I get settled down.

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I do not want to offend you or your family... I was just asking a question... and giving some opinions.. I HAVE A PERSON IN MY FAMILY THAT ..has ADHD also... so do not take it personally. Sorry.

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After having cooled off for a night, I will comment on this topic and then go cool off again. I am completely offended by your comments of demonic presences in people who have disorders that manifest in certain behaviors. I think it is time that you go out and do some research on all these disorders and find out what they are before you decide that it is really a Satan vs. God thing. These disorders are biological in nature and involve the chemistry in the brain. People who have ADD, ADHD, Bi-Polar Disorder, and some of the other ones are born with it. There are certain tests and criteria that you have to meet before you officially get the label. And for your information, these disorders have always been around. But times have changed a lot in the last 20 years. You cannot drop out of school when you are 16. Classes are longer and more intense. There is no social promotion. Accountability is very high. These disorders are as medical as diabetes, high blood pressure, and cancer. I'd love to hear you rail on about how those are really demonic presences.

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I am not saying all of them are... all I am asking for is opinions or facts about what they are and where you believe they come from.. or originate from. I have done research on the behaviors... again sorry that I offended you or your family... that was not my intentions. And to Coeburn Cane.. Gravity is not a behavior... I am speaking of behavior or mind issues.To steer.. I agree with UT 1;s View on God allowing things to happen. And to 82abn I do recall the Andrea Yates incident... and my belief on that is: She was controlled and decieved by the enemy to believe that lie,, so she killed her kids!!! The enemy comes to steal kill and destroy... and in this case he used her to do it. And by the way pste what I said that agitated you so bad please. Thank you. One more thing this is the statement I made and the key word is could be: I do not understand everything about so called disorders and I am not a doctor but I believe it can be demonic influences... anyone have any comments on this?

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Yeah no, your wrong. Demonic influences on medical disorders? Are you being serious? I really have heard it all.

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Are you comprehendeing what you are reading... I said it can be... I never stated in all cases though.No i am not wrong.. maybe you are.. well one of us is aren't we? You better hope that you are right and I will do the same. That is your opinion and I have stated mine... we do not have to agree with one another but we do need to respect each other.

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Ye... that is the easy way out.... come on.

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No man, I just enjoy the forum and thats the end of it. I fully respect your opinions, but just simply disagree. There is more pressing issues on my mind right now.

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Lright.. fair enough... peace out.

I'll jump in.

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We can say 2 things happened here either it took the science department hundreds of years to figure things out or we are just labling behaviors and putting a name on them

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It took science how long to prove the earth wasn't flat? That there wasn't a man in the moon. How long till gravity was explained? Wait, how about cancer. Maybe it took so long to explain cancer that its really satan eating away at livers or lungs or whatever.

This is bull crap.

Yes there is evil in the world, yes the devil is there, but you make it sound like, all the mental illnesses are just 'science' coming up with a way to explain the devil.

You're about as wacked as that group that is going to protest at the funerals saying that they died due to gays or whatever.

You say that its science 'explaining it' and that it took 100s of years. Where did the knowledge that the scientists have come from? Did it come from God or the devil? The ability to cure comes from whom? God or the Devil? Now if its God, why didn't he give man the ability sooner? Oh wait, thats right its his will. So why didn't man have a way of explaining mental issues before? Maybe it wasn't Gods will to explain it then? Oh wait maybe you're saying that its the Devils will to provide man the knowledge to explain and cure diseases.

Now then, you have someone with AD in your family! Wait, now how do we determine when one is from sin and one is not, by your opinion?

Remember when I said that you push more people away with your 'self righteous' nature.

You're right the devil is on earth and working to destroy, thats what he does.

One of the best ways he does that is by leading someone to 'speak the truth' from a 'religious' view that is so far to the extreme (see those that are protesting the VT funerals) that their 'supposed good works' and 'religious beliefs' end up causing more people to go away, because they make people see religions or religious people as wackjobs.

The devil chiefly works through deception (Rev. 20: 10). The devil skillfully makes use of men who appear so righteous, but are actually teachers of false doctrine (2 Cor. 11: 13-15, Matt. 7: 15-20).

So maybe the reason you make the posts you do is that you are a tool of the devil. Maybe you are possessed!

I apologize... you have gone way to far with this... Cancer is not a behavior... my father died of lung cancer because he worked in the mines and smoked cigs... do you get it now? I do not think it is crap....I am nothing like the group protesting the funnerals... sorry you feel that way. I am not slf Righteous... I am only stating it from my outlook on the situations. One of the rules is to respect the others opinion but you are not doing that. All Wisdom comes from God. It is the sin of being depressed that causes the symptoms.. and I have been depressed before... but it is still wrong when we are supposed to trust in God. All I am saying is we need to realize that some of the symptoms could be fixed not with medicine but with prayer and working towards getting better. I am not pushing anyone away..... I am sure some will agree with this and some will not. I believe you are for the most part one sided or you just compromise but I still have not told you that until now. I enjoy your posts even though sometimes I do not agree with them. I am posseed .. By God... and the reason I make the posts is to enlighten us on these types of things.

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So posession, means having control of the mind, well then by that definition you are mindless, so where does that "free will" come in if your are posessed by God?

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So posession, means having control of the mind, well then by that definition you are mindless, so where does that "free will" come in if your are posessed by God?

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I am Possessed by God.. but we can be influnced sometimes and not realize it. I do have a free will.... and sometimes I give into my free will but I am prompted to repent by the Holy Spirit. I hope that answers your question.

Oh I went to far, but you know I'm just discussing things and offering up ideas. You know the exact thing you say you did....but thats different right, because you only offend by preaching the truth, right?

Your close minded view on it is just that, close minded. Guess what, I'm glad your dad had cancer, I had it myself. And I didn't do anything that caused me to have it, like smoking cigarettes. So wait, if your dad smoked cigarettes, that means he was willingly destroying his temple, so he sinned every day he smoked, right? And I recall, previous discussions were if someone still sinned and asked for forgiveness, they were prayers for naught. So whats that mean?

Again, sorry if I offend, I'm only stating my opinions on things.

All wisdom comes from God. So you're saying that the doctors who now can diagnose mental diseases have been given the gift from God? So where is that the devil exactly?

And if you think you aren't pushing anyone away, sorry to tell you, you're wrong. Maybe you should read the replies you get from people instead of just seeing things like you want to see them.

And I have no clue what you mean by one sided. Guess I didn't get possessed.

Oh wait, you are possessed by God, and of course you would say that, but couldn't that be 'deception'. I mean the devil does make skillful use. I mean if you was to just say hey i'm a tool of the devil, it wouldn't be very effective now would it? After all it says though who 'appear so righteous' and really who would appear more righteous than someone who says they are possessed by God.

I find it funny that you say cancer is not a behavior, when you can find plenty of cancers caused by behavior (smoking, too much sun, etc), but you will rail on about mental being by the devil.

If the devil is at work, why wouldn't/couldn't physical disaease be the result just as easily as medical? Maybe doctors just explain it now better than they did before.

You see the hypocrisy there?

How about this, both are or can be purely genetic. I'm sure people died of cancer in the olden times, but science has gotten better and able to determine that now, just like they have with mental illness. And if Satan can attack though the mind, he can also attack through the body.

Rock you say, you find it funny that I do not see cancer as a behavior.. well it is not a behavior pattern. Everthing that I post it seems like you try and twist everything that I say. I hope some people get the big picture of what I am trying to say.

And if you think you aren't pushing anyone away, sorry to tell you, you're wrong. Maybe you should read the replies you get from people instead of just seeing things like you want to see them.(Quote from Rock)

Rock the above is what you stated in an earlier post. I would have to disagree because I only get hastled about my post by a handful of people and the same ones at that.Seems like the select few attempt to discredit what I say by twisting my words and adding things to my opinions. That is okay though.

Most people ignore you in case you haven't noticed. Several have messaged me and asked me to remove them from the religious forum due to you. Hate to tell you old buddy, you don't know everything that goes on.

And to respond. Cancer caused by cigarette smoking is behavior oriented. Skin cancer caused by someone laying in the sun 10 hours a day is behavior oriented.

Well you will not win them all ol Rock.. And it is not a behavior. Has nothing to do with what the topic was originally. I understand what you are saying. It was intendeded to be in a totally different manner than you and a couple others made it out to be. And you say most ignore me.... well that is fine... I really do not care... if that even be the truth. If a grown person would say remove me froma forum because they get offended.. they need to toughen up!! And no I do not know everything that goes on... but I know one thing for sure and it is that you try to discredit me all the time... I can not do anything about that I guess.. for now... but you do get pretty aggressive like saying that about my deceased father... you may be glad I chose not to get angry.

No because if you CHOSE to get angry then you would have to lose that SELF-RIGHTEOUS facade that you front on here. YOU are a person that gives good christians a really BAD name. I have sat by on many topics and just let the water flow under the bridge. You talk about wanting to witness to people, Christ witnessed with compassion and understanding, not with any form of a preconcieved idea of who somone is or what someone is trying to say.
I've discussed things with you in P.M.'s and it seems that a lot of them have simply went over your head. Enough.

Would that statement that he made make you made? I have never put on in anything on here. Maybe the people that get offended wish to live how they want to and by some of the things I say on here it confronts what they are doing so they defend their behavior.I have asked in the past for you and others to give me examples but the only one who has really done it is Coeburn Cane... So please show me. Yell.. a lot of them went over my head... who are you trying to impress or kid ... come on!!!