Better Dynasty?

JJK Baseball or PV Football?

Bot started winning in the 80's. Both have 8 state titles to their credit. I know PV has lost in 1 state title game, while I believe Kelly has lost in 3? Or maybe just the 2.


And most surprising 06-07 season?
PV gettin pounded by Giles or JJK getting torched by Strasburg?

Football's the better sport, so I'd have to go with PV.

JJK has lost 3

That is debatable. Of course, coming from a DAWG, that would be the answer. Other than in football and basketball, has Appy won state?

Of course it's debatable, everybody has their own opinions as to which sport is their favorite. Mine happens to be football...has nothing to do with me being from Appy. As far as Appy Baseball, they've never had a coach worth a crap to take them anywhere (I think you may know who I'm talking about).

In Southwest VA, Football is king. So, I think with all the emphasis put on football, then football accomplishments are viewed more favorably than other sports.

Surely to God you aren't talking about Barry "Whogivesacrap" Nelson?

You guessed it!

I am going to have to go with PV football. You can tell by the attendance at games that Football is king in SWVA and the interest levels are much higher in football than baseball. Also, the atmosphere of Friday Night football vs. Tuesday Baseball, no comparison, Football is king in these neck of the woods and I also feel that the accomplishments in football are far superior to those in baseball. Just my opinion.

And we could be anywhere outside of football-starved SWVA, and the answer could be different. It's apples and oranges. It is cool enough for me though that when we are talking dynasty that these 2 are the ones being talked about.

That is true.

I've lived in a few different places in the country over the past 15-16 years...everywhere I've lived Football got top billing...fact is I can remember some of the better football teams from the areas I have resided in...but I don't know that I can remember a write up on any other high school sport in those places just because it wasn't covered as extensively.

My stepfather (from upstate NY) was floored to see the crowd at a LPD football game that we attended awhile back ago. Quite a few of the New England area states give soccer the top billing. It depends on where you are. Evidently, North Carolina must not put alot of stock in the gridiron either (from the sparse crowds I saw watching my cousin play in front of)

Places I lived in the US included Lawton OK, El Paso TX, Honolulu HI, San Fran CA, and I spent alot of time in Dallas and various places in GA...so, I didn't go north..but about every other region of the country...and I was basing my response on that.

Kelly baseball...what is it 10 out of the last 11 years they made it to the state tourny? Won more district titles then everybody else in the league combined (since 71).
The guy coaching before Wyerick was there (can't remember his name) only had 1 or 2 losing season in 31 years (it was either his 1st or 2nd year).

The overall program is ranked either 1st or 2nd in the state in wins (3A through 1A) and I am pretty sure state titles too.

I just hope they can compete with Virginia High year in and year out now. Va High just seems like they always have a very solid 1-9 squad, and usually anywhere from 2-3 guys every year go on to college and play.

It is debatable, but has either team had a losing season? When was the last one for either program? Im not really asking which is preferred, football or baseball. It truly is impressive that both programs can boast such an impressive resume.

I see no one commented on the bigger shock or dissapointment of the past season.

Last losing season for PV football was 1977. They have had 5 losing seasons in the schools history dating back to 1959, I think 3 of those were in a row back in the 60's.

I think Kelly had a losing season Wyricks first year but still made it to state. (Dang missed fly ball kept RC from being there for the first time).

I personally would rank Kelly's baseball as slightly more dominant than PV's football program. In the last 27 years if we are looking at it from the standpoint of when the state titles were starting to be produced, I would venture to say Kelly has regional titles in baseball than PV in football. Also, they have more semifinal wins since they have lost 3 finals to PV's 1.

Overall, both are great programs no doubt about it, but I will give the edge in true dominance to Kelly.

It really is so hard because the argument often falls on players, such as you take away the Jones and you take away yada yada yada, which is not the case PV had incredible teams with out the Jones Bros during their years, same can be said for Kelly, Kelly had better teams if you take away Bates, it just so happens that the most dominant teams also have had the most dominent players. I dont mean to create any problems, it was just a debate we had one day on the way to a ball game this summer. I think its a push, to much sucess and pride with both programs, often people are beat before they tale the field against either one. I give respect to both, just wondered what the old timers would think as well.

The thing is for the last 30 years, Kelly hasn't made it to regionals say 4 times. Of those, times, they generally always make it to the finals, and hardly ever travel for the quarterfinals. I can only think of what 00,03, & 06. Those years may not be exact, but pretty accurate. They probably have 22 of the last 30 regional championships, and are played on a "neutral site", but some are at the home of the who you are playing. That is what gives them an edge over PV to me.

Generally, if PV isn't the #1 seed, they havent fared well in regional competition, especially in recent years.

Id have to go with JJK baseball because they didnt play in split divisions and PV might not have as many titles if they had to play Appy in the Region finals and twice in the same year. One thing I know from experience, you might beat Tom Turner once in the same year but twice was always a very tall order.

I can't believe what I am seeing here. Are my eyes deceiving me? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

All this talk about a dynasty in high school sports and no mention of Great City.
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HAHA, Very True Vike....

No Disrespect to the Vikes, but I'm gonna take sides with Indian Dad here and say that I feal the Kelly Baseball squad deserves the strongest Dynasty award...

I would have to say the PV football program has the upper hand. This entire area in general fields stronger teams in football than in baseball. This means the Vikes had to compete against tougher competition. The Kelly baseball program has been great, but the competion is weaker until they advance past the region.

But they have only lost three times after advancing, I'm gonna have to say that's pretty strong, considering they never get any quality practice around here...;)

Vike, here is a diffence as well though. Generally, you will face much tougher competition as you go upstate maybe as compared to the area, although honestly, back in the day, baseball was pretty tough everywhere in the region. Until you had the big shift in single A with much larger schools, you could pretty much pencil in Region D as having the toughest region by far in football, especially in the 80s.

Clintwood's dynasty of the 70's, has them both beat. 64 regular season games without a loss. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Burrhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clintwood's dynasty of the 70's, has them both beat. 64 regular season games without a loss. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif[/img] </div></div>

Probably did for intensity but it didn't last nearly as long.

I'll have to get Sportsman to jog the memory, but if I remember it right, back in the early 80's when Sports Illustrated mentioned JJK baseball, the Tribe had an absurdly long win streak. I can't remember the number, but it was/still is unmatched in any sport in this area. Clintwood's football run was awesome no doubt.
JJk won 4 consecutive state championships (hard to top that)

Didnt Pv win 3 straight twice?

I again have to say they is no disrespect intended on any part of this and I dont think anyone has, its just an awesome accomplishment to the work of the kids in both programs, Sorta like The Boston Celtics and the NY Yankees. We just have had the luxury of having 2 of the most storied programs in the state, 15 miles apart.

I still say its a push, to many variables to say one or the other, but a real topic with people who talk about the topic is nice.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: yankeebaseball</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didnt Pv win 3 straight twice?</div></div>

They won 2 in a row 3 times.

I'm just reminicing a little bit. A book was even written about them. A play here and there and the Wave wins 6 State championships. But the winning streak will be hard to top around here. Getting back to the original topic, baseball is a more complex sport, so I go with Wise.

Kelly has more titles, Kelly has the chance to win more titles. It's a toss up, dont know how you could decide, PV plays one bad game and loses to many times a top 5 team in the state in the Region and there done. If Kelly does the same thing they still go to the state tournament. Mega made the point on split divisions, it works both ways. JJ Kelly is a D2 school, they can play D1 schools to get to state, PV cant. The 90's were the decade, people didn't realize what they were watching, PV was great, JJ Kelly was great, and Appy was great. I really dont think we'll see that again, I do however think we'll have two teams in Salem this year, PV and JI Burton. Sadly, I think both will lose again, PV getting beat worse than JI Burton. The sports are just different, it's much more difficult to make the playoffs in football and win state compared to other sports just due to the simple fact that it's one and done. It's the only high school sport in that format. If you want to talk about a pure LPD Dynast look at PV Track, God knows what their record looks like.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Burrhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just reminicing a little bit. A book was even written about them. A play here and there and the Wave wins 6 State championships. But the winning streak will be hard to top around here. Getting back to the original topic, baseball is a more complex sport, so I go with Wise. </div></div>

Clintwood won 3 state titles didn't they?

Yep. 74,75,78. Lost to Madison Co. in 73. 76 could've been the best team, but Pennington beats them in overtime in Region D final.

Did Pennington ever win state? I remember they beat PV in the playoffs in '87, I think. Got beat the next week, though.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mik_Mo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did Pennington ever win state? I remember they beat PV in the playoffs in '87, I think. Got beat the next week, though. </div></div>

No, the best they ever did was runner-up. I believe that was the 76 team that Burrhead just mentioned. Coach Williams wrote a book called "Almost Glory" about it.

Only Cumberland team to win a football title was Jonesville. They won in the last year of the school's existence playing at Bullitt park.

Didn't Jonesville beat Appy that year on a last second hail mary in the first round?

I think the mentality of a Kelly baseball player is what set them apart from other local teams (especially over the past 30 some years), the same can be said for PV in football. We had some good players, but everyone on the field complimented each other so well and we actually did a pretty good job of picking each other for the most part.

We'd win the district and Mack would have us back at the field to take BP before it got too late. Even winning regions wasn't accepted it was expected. I thought college ball was fun and all, but it could not compare to playing with guys I grew up with.

I think a better title for this topic would be who is cockier (on the field)? PV football players or Kelly baseball players.

PV has never won a State Championship in a year that Appy has beaten them...the years they have won it all, on most occasions the Appy game wasn't close..there are 2 exceptions in the 90's tho...PV barely got by Appy a couple of times then.