Division 1 Title

Right now it may seem to everyone that Buffalo Gap is the favorite to win the Division 1 state title since they are undefeated and Burton out of the picture. But you have to watch out for the Clintwood Greenwave. With a upset over Burton last week they look to carry their momentum over to their next game vs. Bath County. And with big play makers like Chris Robinson, Nick Robinson, Derek Robbins, and Mikel Rose on both sides of the ball don't be suprised if the greenwave make a run.

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Congrats to the greenwave! But if were not for some bad coaching decisions in the last 4 min burton would be going upstate. Allowing very young players to go down on the kickoff after the burton score was not very smart. Driving the ball all the way down to the wave 30 and still have over 1 min left only to throw the ball into the endzone on 3 straight plays was not very smart by the qb,who could have ran for big yardage on 2 of the plays. Playing your inexperienced corners 10 yards off the ball and giving up the inside slant, well that aint to smart either.But I give the wave credit for hanging in and getting the win.

So young players is one of the best excuses you can think of for Clintwood winning? Even though Clintwood starts 2 freshmen on the OL and another at CB.

I'm not giving excuses I'm just telling what happened.If I wanted to make excuses I'd bring up injuries and the fact Clintwood got to use a player who was thrown out of a game last week.

If you want to complain about play calling that's one thing, but young experienced players is a stretch to say the least. I don't think Jimbo was playing his SR's and JR's on the kickoff team all year to just go recruit some 8th and 9th grade kids to play in the biggest game up till that point in the season. I'm sure he used the same kids that had been efective in that roll the rest of the year.

You've not seen many Burton kickoffs have you?

I've not seen any returned. I've seen 4 of their games. I don't think he's putting the worst he has out there. If he had better, I'd say they'd be out there.

btw... What happened to your boy Callahan that you thought was the savior a couple years ago? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

LoL....this is why I love coming home from work and getting on here....Thank you BornRed...

and by the way robbins was not thrown out .... in the officials report they just reported a personal foul ....

Lets not get started on Callahan!! Thank god that mess is over!!

Who didn't expect this stuff? I love it. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] At least it's gotten rid of a couple of the losers that came just to talk [censored] when they're on top of the world. Unfortunately, it brings out a couple more. Folks like starbuck, UTVols2, and a couple more at least let you know they're not all morons.

just reported a foul my how convient..........

Anyway back to what the thread was supposed to be about:
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Clintwood bring the state title back to SWVA. Gone are the WCs and Franklins. The Wave have a solid defense, a deep stable of capable ballcarriers, and the best kicking game in the state. They also have enough size and speed to get up and down the field.

I'm not going to argue about it, I was simply stating that bad judgement in the last 4 min. are what cost Burton the game. Anybody who was there knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Come on Clintwood. Bring back the gold!

I see a high tide in Bath County's future coming from Clintwood.

Just think the song Wipe Out.

IMO, I have no idea how they'll do if they get to the title game. From trying to compare scores of Bath Co. with teams that I know a little about, Clintwood should win. I know nothing about any of the east coast teams, so if they beat Bath this week the 15-30 picks of the score on here would be kind of pointless and stupid considering there are maybe enough people on here that could be counted on 1 hand that have seen those teams play. I hope they win because I hope they win every game they play, it'll be kind of hollow to me if they do win because it's not being done in D2. It feels like winning the JV title. I didn't want them to drop. It's not that I don't want them to play in D1, I'd just be happier if they wouldn't have to play teams like St. Paul, Twin Springs, or Twin Valley in the playoffs to get there. If the PV's and Honaker's of the world who have 500 students or less were D1, it'd mean a lot more to me.

IMO, the state title is Clintwoods to lose. I like their physical style of of play. I know I will be pulling for them.


On a side note, to all Clintwood fans...congrats. It was obvious you were the better team Saturday. You all deserved to win.

You should have been there you loser. I got to meet 2 more Norton folk though. You could have been there and Burrhead could have cussed you too. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

I see Clintwood barely making it through Bath County by a score of about 24-14 and then being blown out by Buffalo Gap.

Likewise, for Div. 2 I see Gate City miraculously scraping by George Wythe (by anywhere from 1-3 points) and then getting blasted in the state title by whichever monster they'll be up against.

I just don't think Clintwood or Gate City are anywhere near state-champion-quality teams. They've certainly been shocking at times (Clintwood over PV and Burton, as a great example), but at other times (Clintwood being crushed by GC, GC being stomped by PV) they've looked completely mediocre at best.

Best of luck to both teams. Not trying to put any of these schools/teams down, just stating how I feel about what will happen. If either wins state, consider me extremely shocked.

I was there. I showed up late. It would have been a pleasure to have been cussed out by Burrhead. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

How can you pick a score though on a team that you have 0 idea what type of offense they run, 0 idea of the competition they've played, 0 idea if they have 11 players or 111 players, 0 idea if they're black kids, white kids, blue kids, orange kids, if they're a school that's in only their second year of existence like Colonial Beach, or vice versa if you're them do you know that Chris Robinson had a staph infection in week 4 that he's just now getting over, or that they've had starters from early in the year that quit and have been replaced. Picking a score is RETARDED! (No offense intended chubz.)

and what if buffalo gap loses this weekend? I know its a off the wall "what if". But nething is possible as we have seen throughout the season..

I'm not basing this on the offense or size of school or even how long the school has been around/history of the school, but rather by what I've seen from these (local) teams and how they compare against teams that are actually great and deserving of a state championship in their division.

To me, Clintwood is a tough team that provides good challenge to almost anyone in the area, but when it comes to the truly great teams scattered across the state I just don't see how they could really be the "best" in their division because I've never seen them as even being close to state title contenders. I think my faith was shattered in the Gate City game in which they were simply demolished and looked pathetic. I'm still shocked that they defeated a surprisingly sloppy-looking Burton team because I would have never imagined it could have happened.

To me, Gate City is also a tough team that can reasonably challenge anyone in the area, but after seeing how they played against Powell Valley (I wasn't impressed at all - Powell Valley looked laughably bad, especially on Offense), I'm just not seeing them doing much to George Wythe, and once they move on to the "special" game I sense that things will get pretty ugly. They're lucky Giles sucked up against George Wythe though because the Giles game probably would have seemed like the ultimate demise for them after PV.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mk3supra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and what if buffalo gap loses this weekend? I know its a off the wall "what if". But nething is possible as we have seen throughout the season.. </div></div>

It's very possible.. I shouldn't have even mentioned Buffalo Gap specifically.

Well, if Buffalo Gap gets beaten then that means Clintwood gets beaten even worse. Since that team would obviously mean they're better than BG, right? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if Buffalo Gap gets beaten then that means Clintwood gets beaten even worse. Since that team would obviously mean they're better than BG, right? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

It wouldn't positively mean they're better overall, but I do think it would mean they were better at being consistent when it matters the most.

somewhat yes....but as I said..anything can happen, in all honesty, I went to UVa-wise saturday expecting to go home wondering what next season is gonna be like for Clintwood....I expected Burton to lay it to us...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RottenSyntax</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if Buffalo Gap gets beaten then that means Clintwood gets beaten even worse. Since that team would obviously mean they're better than BG, right? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

It wouldn't positively mean they're better overall, but I do think it would mean they were better at being consistent when it matters the most. </div></div>

exactly what I was thinking, I just couldn't word it right..

PV's last team that went to state beat a mediocre Clintwood team by 2 tds only to lose the state title game by a td. You don't have to be great to win a state title anymore. There is rarely a "great" A team in the state. You could call the William Campbell team from a few years ago "great" I guess. Other than that, the last one would be the Appy or PV teams from the late 90's. They got there and just waxed teams that are on the same par as what's out there now. Clintwood losing to GC is not suprising. The next time you watch a game over there chubz, buy a program. They have the win/loss record of that place over there since they've started playing there. It's like 230 wins to 20-30 losses. PV's the only team that's went there and won consistantly and most folks attribute that to the spread. How exactly did Burton look sloppy Saturday also? They're not a great team. The beat Clintwood by 10 the last time they played a week after they started playing a lineup of 2 freshmen and a sophomore on the OL. You never imagining that a team that beat 1 team by 10 in previous game, kind of shows how wowed you are by flashes and you're not getting the whole picture. Clintwood is the healthiest they've been since they played Haysi in week 2 right now, that's the reason they beat JIB Saturday.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RottenSyntax</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if Buffalo Gap gets beaten then that means Clintwood gets beaten even worse. Since that team would obviously mean they're better than BG, right? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

It wouldn't positively mean they're better overall, but I do think it would mean they were better at being consistent when it matters the most. </div></div>

Uhh... wouldn't that mean that Clintwood is being consistent when it matters most? If Colonial Beach beats Buffalo Gap, if I'm not mistaken and am remembering correctly, they'll have the same record as Clintwood.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RottenSyntax</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if Buffalo Gap gets beaten then that means Clintwood gets beaten even worse. Since that team would obviously mean they're better than BG, right? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

It wouldn't positively mean they're better overall, but I do think it would mean they were better at being consistent when it matters the most. </div></div>

Uhh... wouldn't that mean that Clintwood is being consistent when it matters most? If Colonial Beach beats Buffalo Gap, if I'm not mistaken and am remembering correctly, they'll have the same record as Clintwood. </div></div>

Nah Colonial Beach is 10-2 right now, and if they win they'll be 11-2 while Clintwood will be at 9-4.

There was one team that had about a 6-4 record the first week of the playoffs and knocked off a higher seed. I can't remember who that was though. But, what's that got to do with consistency? They're a second year school and I'd wager that they're not playing powerhouses. Appalachia and Jonesville both won state titles with 5-5 records. Good thing you weren't doing the picking then.

I remember seeing footage of the William Campbell (14-0) team of 2002 when they played Appy (12-2) and it was just insane at how good they were. Their key running back (Cedric Peerman) could just get the ball and run anywhere he wanted and it usually took no less than 3 guys to take him down each and every play, regardless of where he ran or how he did so.

I was definitely shocked at how good they were, and after seeing them, the 70-0 score definitely didn't seem near as far fetched at first. Hell, when I first saw the final score on Highlights Tonight, I almost passed out because I couldn't believe it, especially after how Appalachia dismantled Bath Co. the week before the 'big game.' I actually thought they had a chance to win it all .. boy was I ever wrong.

There are no teams like that now and they're getting fewer and fewer.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ironlung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There was one team that had about a 6-4 record the first week of the playoffs and knocked off a higher seed. I can't remember who that was though. But, what's that got to do with consistency? They're a second year school and I'd wager that they're not playing powerhouses. Appalachia and Jonesville both won state titles with 5-5 records. Good thing you weren't doing the picking then. </div></div>

You have to look at the scores for those teams though and look at how closely they played powerhouses and whether or not they were blown out or just got the 'bad end of the stick.'

Most of the time, those teams that have sorry records but that go on to win big have only minor regular season losses and haven't been getting whipped on and just miraculously came out winners. They were there for a reason - they were good, but the record didn't show it.

The reason I'm making comparisons here isn't because I know the scores (and I don't), but I just first look at the record then take the teams to the CalPreps site and match them up to see if their records are reasonable and if the teams aren't actually deceiving just because their record may not match up with the other team's.

I know that CalPreps doesn't always work - and often HASN'T (for me at least!), but I think it's reliable enough to make reasonable estimates about what has yet to occur.

I don't know how many times I have to say this on here before maybe it sinks into someone's head..... YOU CAN'T COMPARE SCORES AND GET ANY KIND OF GUAGE ON TEAMS WHEN THEY PLAY HEAD TO HEAD! Example compare the JJK, PV, and CW scores. By those scores Clintwood should have beaten PV by about 30 some to a couple tds. If you look at PV, GC, CW you'd think that Clintwood would lose to PV by 60. Looking at scores will tell you nothing about a game but will tell everyone else you're a fool. Using Calpreps for anything, will place you in the same boat.

One thing you're not taking into account in your crazy chubzmath, is the fact that Clintwood's best player was hospitalized in the 4th week of the season for a week with a horrible infection and is now starting to look like the player he was when they played Honaker, Coeburn, and Haysi. So in the 4th week when he didn't play they got drilled by what would be a 4A school in VA, lost the next week to the CMD champions with Robinson getting limited carries, got smoked by GC at GC in their "revenge" game, and lost by 10 to the greatest team in single A football by 10.

Oh, I know about the injuries and that Clintwood is probably healthiest at this point .. but it doesn't change the fact that I look at them as very mediocre state title contenders if they somehow make it that far. I hope they surprise me, I really do. But I just can't see it happening.

You also picked PV to beat them 34-6 and then said after Clintwood won "neither team impressed me". How can a team be picked to lose by 4 tds win and completely shut down the other teams offense and not in some form or fashion be somewhat impressive. I don't know about you chubby. You're from a different planet I think. You have many years of valuable knowledge to learn my padawan. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] I don't know about them wininng, because I'll say it, I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE PLAYING. I'm just glad you weren't wagering money on Appy or Jonesville.

Oh, you're talking about Clintwood/Powell Valley now?

That was just Clintwood playing against another horrible spell of Powell Valley's "throw, throw, throw, throw, throw, run" offense in which they (PV) showed great promise in the running game but were close to scoring numerous times only to end up throwing interceptions almost every time and screwing up important drives. Horrible play-calling just like in the most recent PV/GC game.

Let's also not forget that up to that point, Powell Valley was actually playing fairly well and this was before they were beaten by Clintwood and played a surprisingly bad game versus Kelly.

I wasn't impressed by Clintwood because the entire night they were sucking it up on offense. I wasn't impressed by Powell Valley because their offense was also miserable and their defense didn't have a whole lot to worry about with Clintwood's mediocre Offense.

I picked Powell Valley 34-6 because of the way Clintwood was demolished by Volunteer and then beaten pretty badly (28-3) by Lebanon who Powell Valley completely shut down [the running game I'm referring to] just a week or so before.

I was definitely shocked that Clintwood came out winners because I would have never expected it before the game, but afterwards I wasn't so much impressed as I was disappointed that I didn't see a better Powell Valley team with better play-calling. And let's not forget that almost every time Myron P. touched the ball that game (when he DID get to do so), he ran all over Clintwood.

The thing is, I know some people thought Norton would kill Clintwood, but most people from Norton didn't. The general opinion I got from them after the first game was they really didn't want to see Clintwood again. It's not that they were scared of Clintwood, but for the most part, the Clintwood/Norton games are/have been very good games. I believe Burton was averaging around a +4 turnover ratio in those games. You can't do that against a good team. You put yourself in positions where you have to take chances and that normally blows you up against a good team. Clintwood four losses this year. Gate City @ Gate City, Lebanon @ Lebanon, Norton @ Norton and Volunteer @ Volunteer. All 4 were playoff teams.

I'm not saying that Clintwood will win or won't win. I'm saying like I said before that they were a better team than people thought. Remember what they were thought of before the season. If I'm not mistaken, I think Bath County was 2-4 at one point in the season.

I'm talking about PV because it's showing that your picking prowess rivals that of a trained monkey. It's hard to count the number of times that you're either been "amazed", "shocked", or "in disbelief" because of someone's performance or a game didn't go like you thought.

As for Pinkston, uh... no he didn't. He was getting good yardage, most of that was because they were in a three man front. It's easy to get yardage off that, but more than likely you're not going to break anything big. They're playing a 3-4 to limit the pass. I think he had 70-90 yards on about 15 carries. You'll enjoy the game much more when you quit watching the ball, and start seeing the whole field. There is more to football than trying to chunk a ball around the field. There's nothing wrong with defensive football. Clintwood won 3 state titles playing it and had what most folks consider the best teams to ever play in this state.