The Hokies, I mean chokies stunk it up big time last night. Beamer and his offensive coordinator need to sit down and have a long discussion on how to not choke.
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The Hokies, I mean chokies stunk it up big time last night. Beamer and his offensive coordinator need to sit down and have a long discussion on how to not choke.
They also need to discuss how to have your team prepared to play in a big game. The D played a pretty good game for the most part. They usually get no help and are constantly defending a short field.
Splitting time with quarterbacks is not a good idea. To me, that would send the rest of the offense a signal that you have no confidence in either quarterback.
It can work. Washington got a share of the 1991 national title with a 2 qb system. Most of the time though, it doesnt work. When the Huskies won that way, Hobert played the 1st half and Brunnel played the 2nd half.
Yeah, but there just seemed to be no rhyme or reason for Beamer's choice as to who was going to play one series to the next.
My 2 cents worth and I'm a Hokie .
Tech has turned its program into a top 20 team year in year out . Most on the board will disagree but they can play w/ most anyone . LSU being a glaring example of a good team being overwhelmed by a great team and no one could stop the bleeding once it started , it was like a deer in the headlights . Yes the ACC is overall weaker than the SEC . Tech needs a new offensive coordinator , Stinesprings playcalling has been awful lately . Last night Ore was gaining 4-8 yds per carry and we were still throwing deep balls one after another . Yes throw one now and again to try and catch the secondary sleeping but when the running game is going well "Run the freakin ball" and throw some short passes . Fosters D played a pretty good game but the Offense lost the game . 3 interceptions and a blocked field goal will lose 9 of 10 games . I would like to see more big name non conference games on the schedule but I doubt it will happen other than one here and one there .
I hope they can get over the hump and get to the next level w/ the program .
I agree that a new OC is needed but Beamer is too loyal IMO to make the change. My fear is that Foster gets sick of mediocre O and leaves. The 2 QB system can work if done right ala UF last season. And for what VT can recruit in Blacksburg they do a pretty good job.
I think Tech was the better team last night, buy if you don't execute, make silly mistakes, come in unprepared (think Oklahoma), and for whatever reason go away from the one thing that is working (the run) then it's very hard to win (you Chokie).
What can you say but the Jayhawks whipped our asses. The first quarter was the end all for the Hokies. There's really no excuse for the way they played. It's the same ole [censored] another bowl, another lost, maybe next year we can win the isuckdonkeyballs.com bowl, lol.
Could we win that one with a dual QB system?
I think the 2 QB system is about a must for VT, with what they had. Nobody thought Glennon was great, but Tyrod showed he wasn't ready for it either. I never understood the idea of the deep ball, especially going at Kansas' strength.
I know some love to hate on Tech, and that's fine and good, but I remember going to a VT homecoming game around 20 years ago, and basically being able to lay down and watch the game. Nobody could really name a player on the team, and the highlight was the band.
You watch the teams that year in/year out stay near the top 10, and the list is pretty short. You'll have your teams appear for a year or two, then disappear into the black holes that they came from. Tech has firmly established themselves as a B level program. A consistent top 15 quality team, who granted doesn't play a top-notch schedule, but how many teams outside of the SEC do? I mean it's been made fun of almost all year who Ohio State played out of conference (or that matter in conference). Just in case people wanna cut on Tech, let's remember who Ohio State played.
Youngstown State (38-6)
Akron (20-2)
@ Washington (33-14)
Northwestern (58-7)
@ Minnesota (30-7)
@ #23 Purdue (23-7)
Kent State (48-3)
Michigan State (24-17)
@ #25 Penn State (37-17)
#21 Wisconsin (38-17)
loss to Illinois (28-21)
@ #21 Michigan (14-3)
Quite the murder's row there, no?
VT has reached their zenith under Beamer. Remember Brown at UNC? Brown made a top 5 team but couldn't quite get over the hump...blamed it on being a fb coach at a bb school. Maybe beamer can do the same...no, wait, their illustrious bb team lost a scoring contest to the Richmond Arachnids the other night...52-49? Jeez, what a sports school. They need to stick to engineering and rotc.
VT actually has some pretty decent talent on the BB team. The problem is they're all true freshmen. It's going to be painful to watch this season.
Just picking. Don't follow them and haven't watched them play. Do know they lost alot of talent from last year.
They have 8 freshmen I believe. The biggest losses were at guard last season. Wait til UNC and Duke play them uuugh!
8 freshmen is unheard of. UNC has a (redshirt) freshman, and will sign some top ones for next year. I can't imagine any more difficult task, for any sport in any conference, than to build a strong bb program in the acc. Maybe VT can do it, but gains will come in small incremental steps. Hope folks are patient with them.
sean glennon really really blows
thats my two cents
i hate to say this but the 2 qb system worked for UF last year also
it can work if its used properly
the problem is that sackneck sucks as a big game coach........hes great when he needs to be during the season to get the team to a big bowl game.....then he craps his pants
if you look at the chokies the past 5 or so years........great except during big games.....both regular season and bowl games
miami in 05 and lsu this year are two that immediately jump out at me
some others are FSU and a just off probation miami in 99......ACC CG in 05......bowl games on 01, 03, 04.......and the peach bowl last year
I agree, Beamer just has trouble in the big time games. Another thing I've noticed also is that in big games he has much more trouble if VT is favored. Beamer has been much more effective in the bigger games if the Hokies are underdogs.
And sackneck? I've mentioned on here before how tasteless I think it is to make fun of someone who has an awful scar because of a terrible accident which could have taken his life and led to many painful surgeries. Have you ever had someone near you suffer a serious burn and had to witness what they endure? It's surely not a pretty ordeal.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GC1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree, Beamer just has trouble in the big time games. Another thing I've noticed also is that in big games he has much more trouble if VT is favored. Beamer has been much more effective in the bigger games if the Hokies are underdogs.
And sackneck? I've mentioned on here before how tasteless I think it is to make fun of someone who has an awful scar because of a terrible accident which could have taken his life and led to many painful surgeries. Have you ever had someone near you suffer a serious burn and had to witness what they endure? It's surely not a pretty ordeal. </div></div>
on the first part........i agree 100%.......the problem however is that when you play well enough all year to be a top 10 team......you arent going to be the underdog very often......so at some point you need to learn how to handle the pressure and perform accordingly.......if not......maybe its time to find somebody who can
on the second part......thats your opinion......you are entitled to it
personally i dont know the guy......so it matters none to me what he went through........im sure it was tough for him and his family......but we all go through tough times in life......some of us have endured worse than that
Heck, looking at VT info a little while ago, they only have a 35% winning percentage lifetime against ranked opponents I believe it was.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1inStripes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Heck, looking at VT info a little while ago, they only have a 35% winning percentage lifetime against ranked opponents I believe it was. </div></div>
i didnt realize it was that low.......but i knew it wasnt pretty
for the life of me i cant understand why so many people think hes a great coach when the truth is he struggles mightily in big games
all that "beamerball" nonsense is great if it translates to wins in big games.......but blocking 2 kicks in a game against the st marys school for the blind......doesnt mean a damn thing
Auburn beat Clemson working a 2 QB system in a new offense they had only practiced for a week....so yeah, if you have the ability it can work with 2 QBs.
didnt OSU* also use 2 qbs a year or two ago?
it can work......if its used properly
Well, I never have believed in the 2 qb system. I seem to remember that the cowboys had it a few years ago and it failed miserably for them. I don't remember both qbs but one of them was White, who, by the way also doubled as their punter also.
I just believe that it sends the offense a message that the coach is unable or unwilling to make a decision as to whom their field leader is.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: centennialdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I never have believed in the 2 qb system. I seem to remember that the cowboys had it a few years ago and it failed miserably for them. I don't remember both qbs but one of them was White, who, by the way also doubled as their punter also.
I just believe that it sends the offense a message that the coach is unable or unwilling to make a decision as to whom their field leader is. </div></div>
i disagree 100%
what it says is that you have 2 qbs......who are usually very different in style.......and you have found a way to work both of their talents into your offense for a different look and use them both as weapons
2 QBs on the pro level is a much different story than in the college ranks....it definately DOES NOT work in the NFL.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 QBs on the pro level is a much different story than in the college ranks....it definately DOES NOT work in the NFL. </div></div>
i agree
if you use that in the NFL it means you have two equally shitty qbs and you are trying to find the one who sucks the least
but normally in the NFL you have one guy you pay alot of money to.......to be YOUR qb......and you base your offense around him
The only way it could ever work at the college level is if you have qbs of the caliber that florida had with Tebow and company. Tebow was actually the better qb, but no one saw that until this year. It would take two totally different styles and the ability of the rest of the offense to recognize the differences and capitalize on them. Call it "old school" for me, but I just believe that it will not work on a consistant basis and that is what a team looks for: consistancy that leads to success. In VT's case, the team showed no consistancy when it came down to it, meaning playing against teams in big games. Yeah, it works when you are playing mediocre-sub level teams, but not against teams of the same caliber. I guess you would have to call me "close-minded" LOL
I wouldn't say that it takes 2 high caliber QBs...I mean it was only one game, but Cox and Burns isn't exactly Leak and Tebow. South Carolina did pretty well with it at times. Having a 2 QB system in college makes the other team prepare more cuz most of the time one QB is more of a passer and the other is more of a runner. In the NFL, you have to have a QB that can pass cuz most if not all of the D is gonna be stronger, bigger, and faster than he is...that isn't the case in college. And that's why it works on that level.
LSU could use a two QB system somewhat monday
they will, Perriloux is extremely talented, as is Flynn, so they will take advantage of that.
i hate to break it to you all but the buckeyes are gonna win
wanna place some money on that?
He is talented, he's good and he knows it.
im surprised he stayed at LSU, i figured he'd transfer out last year.
he had a horrible attitude comin from hs, but hes gotten better at that too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VictorY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i hate to break it to you all but the buckeyes are gonna win </div></div>
please bet me
Yeah, he garenteed 4 heisman trophies comeing in haha, but for real...next year he may get one, hes got an arm first, legs second mind set and he can do both extremely good
VT is over rated, has been for years. Play in the soft ACC, win enough to go to a Bowl Game, get their A$$ whipped, go on to the next years patsy schedule. When has VT won a game out of the ACC that mattered? Just my thoughts on the subject.
Well, I could name another team (cough cough UT) that for the past several years appeared to be over rated by having lofty preseason rankings only to lose 3-4 games and at times even fall from the polls and even losing bowl games they should have won. But I'd suppose that none of that would ring a bell with UT fans [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif[/img]
Heck, VT has 42 wins and two conference championships the last 4 years and has played for another conference championship in that time plus 4 10 win seasons in a row. For now I'll just have to live with that.
VT is the most overrated team that is ranked. period.