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So far tonight I've seen the Mavericks battle back in the game only to see Stackhouse ejected with the score at 8. The Reds have made 2 errors, made one of the biggest baserunning mistakes in the history of baseball, and have been forced to go to the bullpen in the second inning. Sometimes I wonder why I waste my time, this was pathetic.
The only two pro-sports that come as close to being entertaining as their college counterparts are football & hockey.
Basketball in the NBA has a bunch of stars--great players--but almost zero passion until the Finals. And recently, even then, it's a boring brand of basketball--I'm talking in the Spurs' & Pistons' direction. Snoozefest.
Same with Baseball--MLB's postseason is fun, but if you ever actually watch the College World Series closely and see the day-to-day drama from that...it's 10x more exciting than anything MLB has to offer.
Meh, I hate the NBA. Not the league as much as the people who cover it. Too many talking heads trying to sound like they have a clue. (See Charles Barkley, Screamin' A. Smith, Steve Broussard) Too many people saying the next this or the next that...there isn't a star in this league right now.
Kobe? No chance, too much mouth without enough game.
LeBron? No...not yet. Potential...but even Geno Toretta HAD potetnial.
CP3 and Dwight Howard are the only two that I have seen make their teammates BETTER.
The only two teams I have liked lately in the NBA are the Spurs and the Pistons. They did it with a team effort instead of an individual. Look even at Jordan, yes he lead, but he had a team around them, and even Stern has been quoted as saying the same thing as Cane- it was a snoozefest. No one wants to see it again, but I have a sneaking suspicion you're going to see Celtics and Hornets. That's just my two cents worth.
MLB is exciting thrice a year. The last two weeks of the regular season, the AL & NL Championships and then the World Series.
I don't think most fans can appreciate teams like the Spurs because you won't find one of their players on SportCenter's Top 10 plays every week. They play team basketball and defense which is not the norm in the NBA. Everyone keeps wanting to see the next amazing dunk or no look pass. Good team play and defense wins championships- like 4 since 1999.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 89bluedevil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think most fans can appreciate teams like the Spurs because you won't find one of their players on SportCenter's Top 10 plays every week. They play team basketball and defense which is not the norm in the NBA. Everyone keeps wanting to see the next amazing dunk or no look pass. Good team play and defense wins championships- like 4 since 1999.</div></div>
I never knocked the fact that they play as a team--just like the Pistons. However, other teams in the past played as a team--and were exciting...not so with SA or Detroit. The teams back in the day like the 80's Celtics, Lakers, and the 90's Bulls were fun to watch. The Rockets title-winning teams were even fun to watch--and they were a complete squad.
It's not SportsCenter I'm looking for, it's for a team with a pulse that makes me excited about watching their team play a team-oriented brand of basketball...neither the Spurs nor Pistons have that--and that's why they'll never be remembered like the other teams I just mentioned will be.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seventy4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Meh, I hate the NBA. Not the league as much as the people who cover it. Too many talking heads trying to sound like they have a clue. (See Charles Barkley, Screamin' A. Smith, Steve Broussard) Too many people saying the next this or the next that...there isn't a star in this league right now.
Kobe? No chance, too much mouth without enough game.
LeBron? No...not yet. Potential...but even Geno Toretta HAD potetnial.
CP3 and Dwight Howard are the only two that I have seen make their teammates BETTER.
The only two teams I have liked lately in the NBA are the Spurs and the Pistons. They did it with a team effort instead of an individual. Look even at Jordan, yes he lead, but he had a team around them, and even Stern has been quoted as saying the same thing as Cane- it was a snoozefest. No one wants to see it again, but I have a sneaking suspicion you're going to see Celtics and Hornets. That's just my two cents worth.
MLB is exciting thrice a year. The last two weeks of the regular season, the AL & NL Championships and then the World Series. </div></div>
you are pretty stupid
lebron and kobe arent stars??????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 89bluedevil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think most fans can appreciate teams like the Spurs because you won't find one of their players on SportCenter's Top 10 plays every week. They play team basketball and defense which is not the norm in the NBA. Everyone keeps wanting to see the next amazing dunk or no look pass. Good team play and defense wins championships- like 4 since 1999.</div></div>
I never knocked the fact that they play as a team--just like the Pistons. However, other teams in the past played as a team--and were exciting...not so with SA or Detroit. The teams back in the day like the 80's Celtics, Lakers, and the 90's Bulls were fun to watch. The Rockets title-winning teams were even fun to watch--and they were a complete squad.
It's not SportsCenter I'm looking for, it's for a team with a pulse that makes me excited about watching their team play a team-oriented brand of basketball...neither the Spurs nor Pistons have that--and that's why they'll never be remembered like the other teams I just mentioned will be. </div></div>
the 90's bulls was the best team that has ever graced a basketball court. After thier run I told my parents that I would never watch a NBA game again, and I haven't. The NBA is a bunch of over paid thugs IMO.
the spurs arent as mundane and boring as you guys make them out to be
everyone talking about how boring the spurs are probably havent watched them play more than once or twice
game 1 against the suns, 2OT wit timmy d hitting a three to tie it up??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the spurs arent as mundane and boring as you guys make them out to be
everyone talking about how boring the spurs are probably havent watched them play more than once or twice
game 1 against the suns, 2OT wit timmy d hitting a three to tie it up??</div></div>
That was an exciting game--one exciting game. That doesn't make Timmay an exciting player, and it sure doesn't make the Spurs an exciting team.
I watch NBA ball on & off during the season, have watched the Spurs play a few times in the past 5-8 years. They simply have no exciting players or personalities. Their style of play is fundamental, yes, but bland. A big part of that has to do with Gregg Popovich being a wet dish rag of a personality--especially when you compare him to guys like Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, and KC Jones. Even the guy he was the most like out of those coaches in the 80's & 90's, Chuck Daly, had some life about him. To me--Popovich is in the same personality lot as Bill Belichick--I could care less how much either one wins, both come off as over-worked pricks.
Back when the team consisted of guys like Ayvary Jawnson, Sean Elliot, and David Robinson on the team--they had good guys with good personalities--with Ayvary ready to say something that would make anyone laugh at the drop of a hat. Now--dish rag city. And annoying--I could care less about how much Tony Parker mugs in front of cameras with his desparate house-ho.
I'd pay money to watch only a few NBA teams play nowadays--Lakers, Cavaliers, Celtics, Hornets, and maybe the Wizards (just so I can go yell against them).
Biggin, let me rephrase my comment to make your judgement of my intelligence a little better?
They aren't the superstars the league needs to showcase its game. They aren't Jordan or Magic or Bird. They don't have the charisma to be that level. LeBron may have it eventually, but right now, he doesn't. He's getting into a pissing contest with DeShawn Stevenson from the Wizards. Who is this guy? Why is he able to ruffle the feathers of the NBA's elite?
Kobe's "I will pout till I am traded" attitude completely turned me against him this year. Yes, he turned it around in the end, but I am just waiting for him to put his teammates, coach, Shaq, and Jack Nicholson under the bus if they lose before the finals.
I know everyone wants to compare Kobe and LeBron to Jordan, Magic, or Bird. Because it's what the sport needs. It needs someone to hang their hat on, and they are trying real hard.
I guess I should have typed super stars instead of just stars...because they are stars. Just not the superstars the sport needs. LeBron may mature and be that person, but right now, in 2008 he's not. Kobe will never be. The sportswriters loathe Kobe, they see his attitude and respond accordingly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seventy4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Biggin, let me rephrase my comment to make your judgement of my intelligence a little better?
They aren't the superstars the league needs to showcase its game. They aren't Jordan or Magic or Bird. They don't have the charisma to be that level. LeBron may have it eventually, but right now, he doesn't. He's getting into a pissing contest with DeShawn Stevenson from the Wizards. Who is this guy? Why is he able to ruffle the feathers of the NBA's elite?
Kobe's "I will pout till I am traded" attitude completely turned me against him this year. Yes, he turned it around in the end, but I am just waiting for him to put his teammates, coach, Shaq, and Jack Nicholson under the bus if they lose before the finals.
I know everyone wants to compare Kobe and LeBron to Jordan, Magic, or Bird. Because it's what the sport needs. It needs someone to hang their hat on, and they are trying real hard.
I guess I should have typed super stars instead of just stars...because they are stars. Just not the superstars the sport needs. LeBron may mature and be that person, but right now, in 2008 he's not. Kobe will never be. The sportswriters loathe Kobe, they see his attitude and respond accordingly. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seventy4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Biggin, let me rephrase my comment to make your judgement of my intelligence a little better?
They aren't the superstars the league needs to showcase its game. They aren't Jordan or Magic or Bird. They don't have the charisma to be that level. LeBron may have it eventually, but right now, he doesn't. He's getting into a pissing contest with DeShawn Stevenson from the Wizards. Who is this guy? Why is he able to ruffle the feathers of the NBA's elite?
Kobe's "I will pout till I am traded" attitude completely turned me against him this year. Yes, he turned it around in the end, but I am just waiting for him to put his teammates, coach, Shaq, and Jack Nicholson under the bus if they lose before the finals.
I know everyone wants to compare Kobe and LeBron to Jordan, Magic, or Bird. Because it's what the sport needs. It needs someone to hang their hat on, and they are trying real hard.
I guess I should have typed super stars instead of just stars...because they are stars. Just not the superstars the sport needs. LeBron may mature and be that person, but right now, in 2008 he's not. Kobe will never be. The sportswriters loathe Kobe, they see his attitude and respond accordingly. </div></div>
now that i can understand where you are coming from
the league is pretty much banking on lebron and dwade to carry it.
but CP3 has just a bad of an attitude as kobe or lebron, hes really immature.
and cane, the spurs really run more now than 4-5 years ago, parker has developed into one of the top three pgs in the league, he outplayed mvp steve nash in the series.
and ginobli is a blast to watch, he is fun as [censored].
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and cane, the spurs really run more now than 4-5 years ago, parker has developed into one of the top three pgs in the league, he outplayed mvp steve nash in the series.
and ginobli is a blast to watch, he is fun as [censored].
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I don't care if they run more than 4-5 years ago or not, they're still boring. That's like saying that Paul Johnson's new offense he's installing at GT will pass more than they did at Navy. It doesn't make it dynamic or entertaining because they're about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Saying they run more is like saying that watching hot pink paint dry is more exciting than watching off-white paint dry--negligible difference.
It's about personalities and having a flair on the court as a team. Take a look at the Wizards/Cavs series right now as an example of two teams who have talent, play well as teams, and are fun to watch play the game because they have passion and fire.
The Spurs simply have next to no entertainment factor for me (and several others fans around) as an NBA team, no matter how many championships they win. Their titles are great--but that's the main reason why they'll never be held in nearly as high of esteem as the Bulls/Lakers/Celtics of old.
the spurs dont play with passion and fire?
ginobli doesnt play with flair??
tony parker cant do insane things with the ball?
cane, you're reaching
if the spurs happen to win this year and one more in the next three, then you have to say they were as good as at least the pistons teams of the early 90's and the celtics of the 80's
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cane, you're reaching</div></div>
Biggin, you've got Silver/Black glasses on.
And I may have to say they're as good as those teams, but I won't have to say they're as exciting of a team to watch...because they won't be--at least not to me and a bunch of other NBA fans out there.
Ginobili's sloppy but gets things to fall for him--he's got a knack for that, and Parker's faster than 90% of PG's in the league. That's their strengths--not their passion/flair/fire...none of that. I don't find them entertaining.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> That's like saying that Paul Johnson's new offense he's installing at GT will pass more than they did at Navy. It doesn't make it dynamic or entertaining because they're about as entertaining as watching paint dry. </div></div>
Paul Johnson may make me a closet Ramblin Wreck fan. I hope they kick tail in the ACC with that offense. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]