Spurs look to be on their game tonight, 56-43 with 9:36 left in the 3rd.
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Spurs look to be on their game tonight, 56-43 with 9:36 left in the 3rd.
Lakers get blown out, 103-84. Looks like the Lakers just laid down in the 4th. Talk about conspiracies, I guess the refs had to throw the Spurs a bone to make it look even.
Game 4, Lakers win...by the way, Kobe was right, there was no foul. Think somebody needs to start shopping for an avatar.
Anybody who says that was not a foul is a complete homer. As I said in the other post, stuff like that is why the NBA is a joke and nobody really cares. Ever 10 years or so the closest LA and Boston fans will roll out and people will get somewhat interested but overall it's a joke. There is no way a team like the Patriots would ever lose in the NBA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Ever 10 years or so the closest LA and Boston fans will roll out and people will get somewhat interested but overall it's a joke. </div></div>
Not a closet L.A. fan, been a Laker fan for 28 years.
Nobody ever talks about the NBA, I'm a Mavericks fan but really could care less to be honest with you. I get the impression thats how most NBA fans are. It's impossible to keep up with, 82 games where all the good teams play at 9:30 or later on the east coast. Unless your nocturnal being a die hard NBA fan in this area is unheard of. Stuff like what I saw tonight make the playoffs even unwatchable. I'll gladly watch a MLB regular season game over a playoff NBA game anyday.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody who says that was not a foul is a complete homer. </div></div>
They're talking about the last play now on the post game show. Barkley and the rest all agree that if Barry had gone straight up instead of trying to avoid Fisher when he was in the air, he'd have had the foul. They said that refs aren't going to call that when a player tries to avoid the contact. In their words, "good no call."
Barry wasnt gonna get that call regardless, its the Lakers theyre suppose to be in the finals, remember?
Aren't you the conspiracy theorist?
Really, anybody who has ever watched basketball knows that was a foul. If that happens 2 minutes earlier they call the foul. There not going to put Barry on the line though.
I was joking, i dont even really believe all that..i believe its possible though...but the refs will help teams like LA no doubt about it
yeah, SA cant even get the [censored] calls at HOME.
the NBA wants it to be LA/BOS in the finals.
guarantee the officiating is horrible in the last couple games of the east finals.
jesus christ, when someone is trying to AVOID a foul, yet still gets fouled its not a foul? its bullshit, barry shoulda been on the line.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really, anybody who has ever watched basketball knows that was a foul. If that happens 2 minutes earlier they call the foul. There not going to put Barry on the line though. </div></div>
It was Barry's fault. Had he gone straight up while Fisher was in the air instead of trying to avoid him, he'd have gotten the call.
Or they could have just hit any one of 30 other shots they missed all night....
I hate when people act like one foul call ruined the game...If they had of played better they would have been up 10, and not in that situation...So they loose, because before the foul/No-foul, LA capitalized on more opportunities...
No big Deal
im not blaming that call for the loss, although down by two with 3 seconds left a call that big really helps decide, the spurs missed too many shots, got winded too early, didnt move the ball as well and had way too many turnovers.
Well put Neutral!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mik_Mo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody who says that was not a foul is a complete homer. </div></div>
They're talking about the last play now on the post game show. Barkley and the rest all agree that if Barry had gone straight up instead of trying to avoid Fisher when he was in the air, he'd have had the foul. They said that refs aren't going to call that when a player tries to avoid the contact. In their words, "good no call." </div></div>
And that means ,"Don't say anything to cause the irate fans to burn down the town over that blown call."
Had he gotten the call, what was the foul situation? I don't see how they could have let him shoot 3 because he dribbled after the contact to try and get clearance for a shot.
Truly though, only 2 players on that floor would have gotten that call IMO last night.
Beats me, the "let anything less than an axe murder go under 2 mins." is one of the reasons I lost the desire to follow pro b-ball. Too much table tilting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mik_Mo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really, anybody who has ever watched basketball knows that was a foul. If that happens 2 minutes earlier they call the foul. There not going to put Barry on the line though. </div></div>
It was Barry's fault. Had he gone straight up while Fisher was in the air instead of trying to avoid him, he'd have gotten the call.</div></div>
Go look at the slo-mo replay again. When they showed it right after the buzzer, it was slow enough where you could see that before Fisher made any contact w/Barry, Barry walked off the pump fake. He stepped back with his left foot on the pump, and lifted his right foot moving forward before the ball touched the ground.
So it was either a walk or a foul that was no-call. Take your pick.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mik_Mo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really, anybody who has ever watched basketball knows that was a foul. If that happens 2 minutes earlier they call the foul. There not going to put Barry on the line though. </div></div>
It was Barry's fault. Had he gone straight up while Fisher was in the air instead of trying to avoid him, he'd have gotten the call.</div></div>
Go look at the slo-mo replay again. When they showed it right after the buzzer, it was slow enough where you could see that before Fisher made any contact w/Barry, Barry walked off the pump fake. He stepped back with his left foot on the pump, and lifted his right foot moving forward before the ball touched the ground.
So it was either a walk or a foul that was no-call. Take your pick. </div></div>
Just like I said- no blood, no whistle- not even for a walk. NBA is like horse racing. I'd as soon watch them clean the track.
I don't know if Barry would have gotten foul shots because I can't recall if San Antonio was in the bonus or not. Yes, he should have jumped into Fisher while shooting to draw a shooting foul like most players do, but that call should have been made.
Sure the Spurs could have made more shots, but the Lakers could have not let the Spurs come back from 14 down. The Spurs were down 6 or 7 within two minutes to play and get within 2 points with 2 seconds and then have that effort wiped out by an obvious foul that wasn't called. I think there would have been no hesitation to make that call if that had been Kobe Bryant behind the three point line in that situation.
And just why is Joey Crawford officiating Spurs playoff games? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the guy was suspended last year for his bias toward Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Why give the perception that there could be bias toward any team? I would have thought the Tim Donaghy situation would have made the NBA a lot more cautious about the referee assignments.
Another issue, is why the shot clock didn't reset in the Lakers previous possession. I believe the ball caught a little rim on the way down when it went off of SA and out of bounds. Instead, LA had to throw up a shot off of the inbounds instead of getting fouled and possibily shooting foul shots.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 89bluedevil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Spurs were down 6 or 7 within two minutes to play and get within 2 points with 2 seconds and then have that effort wiped out by an obvious foul that wasn't called.</div></div>
That's all assuming that Barry's "effort" didn't include a walk--which it did clearly if anyone goes back and watches it.
I'm a Lakers fan--and Fisher fouled him, but Barry walked before that. With 2 seconds left, they let it play out and didn't call anything b/c both guys on the play did something wrong. I don't see what's horribly wrong with that.
Kobe clearly walked around half court with around 25 seconds to go as well.
Oh good greif,
Any thing else you guys saw through a TV that went wrong????
I don't see much of a walk there- definitely no more than any other walk that doesn't get called in the NBA. Fouls are easier to call and I think one should have been called. A lot of the NBA analysts disagree and to the Spurs credit they are not crying about it. So I guess I'll live with it too.
Who gives a [censored]? Its the NBA! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kobe clearly walked around half court with around 25 seconds to go as well.</div></div>
You forgot to mention how many Manu Ginobili forearms were in his side pushing him back towards halfcourt that weren't being called.
Goes both ways man. Different scenarios though--Barry walked before Fisher made contact, Kobe walked due to being pushed backwards by Manu. Look at the cause & effect of it.
everything you guys are talking about are all 'no calls'...The idea is get the teams to the finals, and put the whistle in your pocket and let them play....
no body wants to see a final game dictated by whistles
If we are throwing out questionable stuff, how about the goaltending call on Odom there with about a minute and a half to go?
I think Odom said it best when he did the post-game interview in the locker room they showed on ESPN. Here's how it went:
Reporter: What did you see on that last play of the game?
Odom: Well...what did you see?
Reporter: Uh, a possible foul.
Odom: I saw those all night long.
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I stopped reading 1/2 down this page, but a thought I have always had:
Lakers had the ball with something like 5.4 on the clock, and 2 on the shot clock. When the ball was inbounded, Kobe took a fade away shot that missed, SA got the rebound with just over 2 left and called timeout, getting the ball at 1/2 court.
Why not get the ball in, let the clock get down to 1 on the shot clock, and heave the ball as high in the air as possible w/o touching anything in the rafters. You figure that by the time the ball comes down, a good 2 seconds run off the clock. Then you have a jump ball/tip it around that kills another second and the game ends. As long as the ball leaves the shooters hand, their is no shot clock violation.
Just a thought. It would have eliminated the Spurs ever touching the ball again to have a chance to win.
kobe wanted the spotlight, thats why
Kobe tried hitting the shot basically putting it our of reach anyway. Thats generally what you are going to do. It shouldnt have mattered because the shot clock should have been off.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: raider13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">kobe wanted the spotlight, thats why</div></div>
As usual, your youth and clouded conspiracy riddled mind doesn't get the actual gameplan at hand.
While 7teen's thought is solid & valid, I'd say what was thought by Kobe and the rest of the team was that they should get it in the hands of their best foul shooter, and let him try to get to the line. He took a fadeaway, couldn't draw the foul, and the rebound came to SA. However...had he gotten fouled, went to the line, and hit 2 shots--the only thing SA can do is tie you in 1 possession, not beat you--and even then, they'd have to get a 3pter to go down, plus a FT if fouled. Even if Kobe makes 1 of 2 from the line, that puts LA up by 3 and forces SA to take a 3 to tie, and their only shot to win is the aforementioned 3pter plus a FT if fouled.
That line of thought is what you have to have in the playoffs--fight for every point, don't leave a second on the clock to where you could have gotten points and instead played it safe, b/c you never know what could happen.
See the game, young grasshopper.
How about this stat. The Spurs and Jazz both play a rough tough style of D. In the Jazz series, Kobe shot 95 free throws. So far in 4 games against the Spurs, he has shot 6. I guess the refs are still babying Kobe huh.
the series is over, im the biggest spurs fan here and I can admit it, LA is the better team right now, they are clicking on all cylinders and Kobe is the best player in the league.
its really hard to believe how many no calls have gone against Kobe AND Timmy D, two MVPs and superstars who arent getting any calls.
I've got a feelin'....
Anyone see earlier in the series were Duncan took 4 steps and dunked the ball with no dribble?