The AntiChrist

Soon ! A man who has been waiting in the wings, will come upon the world's stage and the final seven years of life as we know it will begin. This time is known as 'the Great Tribulation' ! This man, we call the Antichrist, will at first seem to be the answer to all the world's problems. He will, practically over night, solve many of the dilemma's and troubling issues facing mankind , including doing what no other person could do. He will bring peace to the Middle-East, he will guarantee for a period of seven years a treaty between Israel and its neighbors. All will seem well, but exactly 3 1/2 years into this seven year treaty the door will open and reveal this man for what he truly is, the Antichrist ! ...AND HE WILL DECEIVE MANY !

""And the lawless one will be revealed who the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming, that is the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness." (2Thess)

The Anti-Christ must be in some kind of power to offer such peace and the other Nations will agree. Where do you think the Anti-Christ will rise from, which Nation? Is there scripture that answers this?

Don't you watch the Omen movies?

All kidding aside, I read a discussion on here the other day, something about pre-post tribulation. My girlfriend was talking about that the other day, said her father (who is a preacher) was talking on that subject the other day. Spoke briefly with her about it, said her belief was one, can't remember which.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: juggernaut28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Anti-Christ must be in some kind of power to offer such peace and the other Nations will agree. Where do you think the Anti-Christ will rise from, which Nation? Is there scripture that answers this? </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mik_Mo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't you watch the Omen movies?

All kidding aside, I read a discussion on here the other day, something about pre-post tribulation. My girlfriend was talking about that the other day, said her father (who is a preacher) was talking on that subject the other day. Spoke briefly with her about it, said her belief was one, can't remember which. </div></div>

No, I am not familiar with the Omen movies. Can you rent this at the local video store? What church does your future father-in-law preach at.Is this waht you are talking about?
http://www.ram.org/ramblings/movies/the_omen.html

Yep, those are the ones in question. First two are pretty good but the third is kind of a letdown. Never saw the fourth.

Anti-Christ = Obama

or Raider13

The Bible says that the Anti-Christ will rise to power out of the North. I remember when Reagan was running for office. All kinds of people were saying he was the anti-christ becase his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan. Six letters in each name. 666

Didn't Hinkley say that ?

You have no need to worry about the antichrist, the mark of the beast, the Great Tribulation, or Armageddon unless you're not a Christian. The church will be gone, caught-up with Jesus, before any of this takes place.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: centennialdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Bible says that the Anti-Christ will rise to power out of the North. I remember when Reagan was running for office. All kinds of people were saying he was the anti-christ becase his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan. Six letters in each name. 666 </div></div>

North...hmm. My girlfriend (who also believes the antichrist is Obama, in reference to an earlier text) says he will rise out of the Middle East. Kind of a contradiction, since Obama is not of Middle Eastern descent. However, I believe Nostradamus predicted he would come from the Middle East. In those Omen movies I mentioned before, which probably isn't the most reliable source, Damien Thorn tells of an ancient text that says the "Deceiver" will rise out of the "Angel Isles."

IMO, the anti-christ, whom ever it is, will come from the US.

The Anti Christ will unify the world by creating and unifying all religions into one. He will be able to perform miracles as well as rain fire from the sky.

http://www.lamblion.com/

Peruse this site - the man has some great teachings.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no need to worry about the antichrist, the mark of the beast, the Great Tribulation, or Armageddon unless you're not a Christian. The church will be gone, caught-up with Jesus, before any of this takes place. </div></div>

That is if you are a Christian who believes in the "rapture". I am a Christian who does not believe in the "rapture". No need for an antichrist or tribulation if the Christians are taken out first. Why try to decieve those who are already decieved? In my opinion, those who are waiting for a "rapture" will be the very ones decieved by the great lie.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no need to worry about the antichrist, the mark of the beast, the Great Tribulation, or Armageddon unless you're not a Christian. The church will be gone, caught-up with Jesus, before any of this takes place. </div></div>

That is if you are a Christian who believes in the "rapture". I am a Christian who does not believe in the "rapture". No need for an antichrist or tribulation if the Christians are taken out first. Why try to decieve those who are already decieved? In my opinion, those who are waiting for a "rapture" will be the very ones decieved by the great lie. </div></div>


Why? How about for those who have not heard the word yet, ie the children born during this time.

i think mike kennedy is the anti christ

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no need to worry about the antichrist, the mark of the beast, the Great Tribulation, or Armageddon unless you're not a Christian. The church will be gone, caught-up with Jesus, before any of this takes place. </div></div>

That is if you are a Christian who believes in the "rapture". I am a Christian who does not believe in the "rapture". No need for an antichrist or tribulation if the Christians are taken out first. Why try to decieve those who are already decieved? In my opinion, those who are waiting for a "rapture" will be the very ones decieved by the great lie. </div></div>

Then I suggest you read the New Testament very carefully and prayerfully. Ask God for understanding, especially of Revelation. "Ask, and it shall be given; seek, and ye shall find."

I have read the New Testament, and that is what it tells me. Again, im not trying to change what you believe....I HOPE you are right. I dont wanna be here for tribulations...but the word tells ME that Jesus wont be back until after.

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the Ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


I dont know how you read that, But when God destroyed the Earth the first time with the flood...who did he take off the Earth...not the Christians...he got rid of the evil. He PROTECTED Noah...he didn't make him vanish from the Earth.

O.K., what we need to examine here is the very nature of God. Using your text, why did He destroy the world leaving only Noah and his family? At first, that is just exactly what He was going to do, but didn't.
How about Sodom and Gomorrah? Remember Abraham bargaining with God, starting with 50 righteous souls, then 45, 40, 30, 20, and finally 10? God agreed that He would not destroy it for the sake of 10 righteous souls. Such was His forgiving nature. However, there were not 10 there, and God knew that.
How about the city of Ninevah, to which Jonah was sent to deliver a message of judgment: God is going to destroy the city down to the last person unless you repent from the top to the bottom. Jonah didn't want to go, and tried to run. Why? He hated the Ninevites and wanted them to be destroyed, and he knew that God was such a forgiving God, the Ninevites just might repent: which they ultimately did from the King down to the lowest servant.
David, about whom the Bible says was "a man after God's own heart", committed adultery and then murder, yet God forgave Him, giving him another chance to be useful.
Rahab was a harlot, yet she is counted in the "Faith Hall of Fame" because of her service to the Lord.
How about the woman caught in the act of adultery?
"Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more"
John 8:10-11 (KJV)

Yes, Our God is the God of wrath, vengeance, and judgment; but He is also the God of forgiveness and love.
It is that forgiving nature that gives mankind one last chance after the "Rapture". The reason for not missing the Rapture is just so we won't have to go through the tribulation as a last chance to be saved. Preventative measures.

During some Bible classes I took many, many years ago, there were 3 main types of believers in regards to the "rapture" as most Christians call it.

The first one is the pre-milenialist: a person who believes in the second coming of Christ after the 7 years of tribulation. These would be the ones who believe that the great tribulation will not begin until the anti-christ takes power and the Church is "raptured" for the feast of the saints in which GOD HIMSELF waits on all the saints of GOD in preparation for the great battle of Armageddon.

The second one is the Aawe(sp) millinialist: They are the ones who believe we are now living in the great tribulation by virtue of being born and when they die, will sit at the right hand of GOD upon death. This one really puzzles me in the fact that the Book of Revelation does not mention this at all.

The third one is the post- millenialist: They basically believe that the tribulation and the 1000 year reign when satan himself is tossed into the bottomless pit has already come and gone and when we die, that is it. No life after death or rejoicing in heaven.

If you believe in the teachings and the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, then, the only choice there could possibly be is the pre-millenialist point of view.

To believe in the other to is to not believe in the life, death, burial, and resurrection of our LORD.

I might also add that although, the word "rapture" is not mentioned in The Bible, there are clear and precise prophecies that the "rapture" or the "taking of the Bride" is yet to come. That is what the word "rapture" means.

I believe ther eare four types of believers on that, but I cannot think of the name of the other group at this time. There was a slight difference in the Aawe millenialist but very similar.

May be 4, but I only studied on the 3 that I mentioned.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think mike kennedy is the anti christ </div></div>

wait and see.......

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 722</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe ther eare four types of believers on that, but I cannot think of the name of the other group at this time. There was a slight difference in the Aawe millenialist but very similar. </div></div>

Would the fourth be the preterists?

I found this on a website. I believe this is the same four I read about before:

. Post Tribulationist

2. Pre-wrath Tribulationist

3. Mid-Tribulationist

4. Pre-Tribulationist


Now I have not looked over this website, so I am not using it to back up anything I believe. Just to answer what I mentioned above, but here is a link if you want to read up what this guy has to say about it:

http://www.according2prophecy.org/rchurch.html

I'll check it out, but right now, I'm not sure what the difference is between pre-tribulationist and pre-wrath tribs. A new one on me.

Actually Pre-wrath and Mid-Tribulationist are the ones who are more alike in thinking from what I understand. Same "area/timeframe" of being called away.

I believe you are right on the 722, hence, that is why I placed only three categories in my post.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The third one is the post- millenialist: They basically believe that the tribulation and the 1000 year reign when satan himself is tossed into the bottomless pit has already come and gone and when we die, that is it. No life after death or rejoicing in heaven.
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Then you didn't pay very much attention to the Post Millenial view because that is not the Post Millenial view at all.

1) The tribulation, which Jesus said would come upon the generation he was speaking to, came in 70 AD. I have never heard any Post Mil preacher say that satan has been cast into the pit. Satan is currently bound in his power by the preaching of the Word and the work of the Spirit.

2)Christs kingdom is ongoing and has been since His ascension to His throne on Pentecost. And Hebrews 1 confirms that He is indeed reigning and upholding all things by the Power of His Word. The Apostles state that the last days were going on in their lifetimes and that antichrist was alive and well at that time.

3) I would like for you to show me 1 post mil believer who states that "when we die, that is it. No life after death or rejoicing in heaven." That is preposterous. The Post Mil view is that at the end when Christ comes again, He will call up the dead in Christ and those who remain will meet Him in the air. At which time He will defeat the last enemy, death, and we will be with Him forevermore. The duty of the church until that time and through the power of the Holy Spirit, is to preach the Gospel and disciple the nations for the glory of God. For the Scripture tells us that all the nations will come to Christ and that the knowledge of God will cover the earth like the water covers the sea.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GC1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The third one is the post- millenialist: They basically believe that the tribulation and the 1000 year reign when satan himself is tossed into the bottomless pit has already come and gone and when we die, that is it. No life after death or rejoicing in heaven.
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Then you didn't pay very much attention to the Post Millenial view because that is not the Post Millenial view at all.

1) The tribulation, which Jesus said would come upon the generation he was speaking to, came in 70 AD. I have never heard any Post Mil preacher say that satan has been cast into the pit. Satan is currently bound in his power by the preaching of the Word and the work of the Spirit.

2)Christs kingdom is ongoing and has been since His ascension to His throne on Pentecost. And Hebrews 1 confirms that He is indeed reigning and upholding all things by the Power of His Word. The Apostles state that the last days were going on in their lifetimes and that antichrist was alive and well at that time.

3) I would like for you to show me 1 post mil believer who states that "when we die, that is it. No life after death or rejoicing in heaven." That is preposterous. The Post Mil view is that at the end when Christ comes again, He will call up the dead in Christ and those who remain will meet Him in the air. At which time He will defeat the last enemy, death, and we will be with Him forevermore. The duty of the church until that time and through the power of the Holy Spirit, is to preach the Gospel and disciple the nations for the glory of God. For the Scripture tells us that all the nations will come to Christ and that the knowledge of God will cover the earth like the water covers the sea.

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So what are you? A preterist?

No, I'm a historic, old time, Post Millenialist. Modern terminology would put me close to partial preterist. Full preterist is way out there.

Just all part of the end of times stuff, people have and will always continue to look for one...which there have been some good candidates, but again no matter who is pointed out today, there's been someone that's been worse. I like how the same ones that call obama the antichrist, say he's not qualified to be where he's at now. But if I believe there was one, itd come from the US...a superpower could only be capable of having someone have that much pull in the world.