I am so tired of people trying to entangle religion and politics.
Its sickening, to think that people can think the thoughts of FEW should be more important than the thoughts of everyone.
Dont give me all this crap about the US being a GOD country.
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I am so tired of people trying to entangle religion and politics.
Its sickening, to think that people can think the thoughts of FEW should be more important than the thoughts of everyone.
Dont give me all this crap about the US being a GOD country.
Then show me a country which has never entangled it religion and government. It is inevitable that religion will be entangled with government. How do you think a people governs itself? Only by the outworking of it's beliefs. It doesn't matter if it's a small tribe, village, or country. The actions and laws are directly tied to the belief system.
But in essence you are doing exactly the same thing you are accusing christians of....assuming you are right.
Im not assuming i am right, I am saying that political policy should not ever, EVER, be affected by religious beliefs.
This isnt the 1600's, we have advanced far enough to not have you use religion as a crutch for our country.
this should be interesting....expect some hypocritcal responses, with said i agree with you biggin
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am so tired of people trying to entangle religion and politics.
Its sickening, to think that people can think the thoughts of FEW should be more important than the thoughts of everyone.
Dont give me all this crap about the US being a GOD country.
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A sincerely held set of beliefs, values and attitudes; beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature and worship of a Supreme Being, supernatural force or god(s).
betadept.utep.edu/Default.aspx
A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and mystic experience. http://www.psychic-experiences.com/glossary.php
Generally a belief in a deity and practice of worship, action, and/or thought related to that deity. Loosely, any specific system of code of ethics, values, and belief.
http://www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm
Just a few definitions of religion from different viewpoints. So my point is that religion and politics have always been entwined, and always will be. Most folks merely equate religion with Christianity - especially in this country.
And by the way, we all assume we're right, or else we'd change our thoughts and beliefs.
The right wing still runs this country, as fundamental Christians.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The right wing still runs this country, as fundamental Christians. </div></div>
Please elaborate.
Every President except JFK was a Protestant.
I would bet, i have no facts here, that all people in the House and Senate are Protestant.
We've got a muslim.
so, out of 495 people, there is one person with a different set of beliefs?
im not surprised.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Biggin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every President except JFK was a Protestant.
I would bet, i have no facts here, that all people in the House and Senate are Protestant. </div></div>
I suspect their are numerous Catholics in both house and senate. But, even if your point is true, then there are more liberal protestants in Congress than there are conservative protestants (since the dems have a majority). So following your logic, religious dogma isn't necessarily a conservative thing - could be one of liberalism as well.
And a lot of those politicians who profess Christianity simply use it as a tag to get a vote. They use church membership or affiliation as their link to Christianity. Sadly, many on church rolls are simply not Christian at all in any sense of the word. Why do you think "hypocite" has become such a popular term? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And a lot of those politicians who profess Christianity simply use it as a tag to get a vote.</div></div>
...and yet churches I've went to or other churches I've heard take a stance, even when this motive is transparent, still vouch for that politician and tell it's followers to vote for him/her. Corruption at every level. Some churches get sold a bill of goods and take it gladly in the name of supporting their fellow Christian who's gonna straighten out those darn liberals! And then get left holding the bag when at best--that politician does nothing to further any religiously based goals, or at worst--gets caught doing something completely immoral.
I made that same point months ago, but it was viewed as me bashing Republicans & Religion at the time. AND--it's the reason why I don't take a person's word for what religion they are when I'm deciding to vote, and really--why I've taken a lot of any beliefs I've got regarding my soul and relationship w/God out of the equation and go strictly off the real-world issues now.
My pastor has a definite stand on politics. "Get out and vote. Research each candidate's position and vote according to your convictions." To side with one candidate or another would be risky for a pastor of most churches, seeing that the congregations of each are so diverse, politically speaking.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ut1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My pastor has a definite stand on politics. "Get out and vote. Research each candidate's position and vote according to your convictions." To side with one candidate or another would be risky for a pastor of most churches, seeing that the congregations of each are so diverse, politically speaking. </div></div>
But most pastors I've ever heard of taking an actual political stance have said that they're supporting so-and-so because they're Republicans and they have the moral upper-hand.
I do respect your pastor for having that view--most I've heard will just go ahead and rely on that religious-right misconception and tell people to vote Republican because it's God's will.
Make no mistake about it, he is definitely conservative himself and admits to being a Republican. As I've found with a lot of folks, he's from a long line of Democrats who left the party over moral issues. One of the most interesting men I've ever met, a cursing sailor turned preacher.[img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]
Wasn't hard to find:
Sen. Rep. Total % of Congress % of U.S. pop.
Catholic 24 130 154 28.8% 24.5%
Baptist 7 68 75 14.1% 16.3%
Methodist 11 50 61 11.4% 6.8%
Presbyterian 15 37 52 9.7% 2.7%
Episcopalian 10 32 42 7.9% 1.7%
Jewish 11 26 37 6.9% 1.3%
Lutheran 3 18 21 3.9% 4.6%
Latter-day Saints 5 11 16 3.0% 1.9%
United Church of Christ/Congregationalist 6 4 10 1.9% 0.7%
Stone-Campbell 1 6 7 1.3% 1.8%
Christian Scientist 0 5 5 0.9% 0.09%
Eastern Orthodox/Greek Orthodox 2 2 4 0.7% 0.31%
Assemblies of God 0 4 4 0.7% 0.53%
Unitarian 1 2 3 0.6% 0.30%
Christian Reformed 0 2 2 0.4% 0.04%
Seventh-day Adventist 0 2 2 0.4% 0.35%
African Methodist Episcopal (AME) 0 2 2 0.4% 0.58%
Evangelical Free or Evangelical (not further specified) 1 1 2 0.4% 0.5%
Quaker 0 1 1 0.2% 0.10%
Community of Christ (RLDS) 0 1 1 0.2% 0.05%
Foursquare Gospel 1 0 1 0.2% 0.10%
Nazarene 0 1 1 0.2% 0.26%
United Brethren in Christ 0 1 1 0.2% 0.01%
Scientologist 0 1 1 0.2% .019%
Community Church 0 1 1 0.2% N.A.
McLean Bible Church 1 0 1 0.2% 0.005%
"Protestant" (not further specified) 1 20 21 3.9% 2.2%
"Christian" (not further specified) 0 5 5 0.9% 6.8%
unspecified 0 4 4 0.7% 13.2%
TOTAL 100 435 535 100.0%
what would Church of God/pentecostal fall under?
Don't quite know but if I were guessing it would be assembly of God, could very well be wrong though.
That's been happening since Washington, he only went to church while he was president because it was expected of him, he hated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imported_ut1