Sam Bradford

Heisman Winner

Suprised it didn't go to Colt McCoy. ESPN probably paid off the Heisman Comittee to get a winner that would play in the NC game.

McCoy was second in the voting

Not suprised. I'd still take Tebow in a heartbeat.

With Bradfords #'s, he deserved it.

Thanks you [richard] for the spoiler. I guess I set my DVR for nothing... [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img]

Tebow got the most #1 votes but comes in 3rd. crazy.

Top 3 were very close in voting and Graham Harrell was at like 200, so I see now whey they left him at home.

Bradford was like 1,700
McCoy was like 1,600
Tebow was 1,500

and


Harrell 200

Bradford deserved it. The offense he controlled set a record for most points in a season. McCoy was the only other logical winner.. Tebow doesn't deserve it this year..

I will argue that Tebow did deserve it. He was the best player, maybe not the best QB but the Heisman is about the best player. The way he stood up and changed the attitude of that team and the way he played, he is a big time leader at this level and he did it against a better set of defenses. the stat I saw was that Bradford played against 2 of the top 30 defensive teams while Tebow played against 6.
I don't think you could go wrong with any of the top 3 but for my money I'd take Tebow (and I'm a Vol fan)

The only thing Tebow deserves is a rimjob from Boy George.

Why does everyone hate this kid so much? is it because he has won so much? Nothing the kid has ever done has been negative, always seems like a positive kid that wants to do the right thing.

no one hates him... Tebow is a good kid, with a great attitude.. but he didn't deserve the heisman this year.. leader, blah blah blah.. there is no I in team.. Florida just slipped up a game, and over-looked a good team.. they lost.. they didn't change the way they played or anything.. they just kept winning..
Bradford won, end of story.

I wouldn't have had a problem with Tebow winning, but Bradford was deserving too. Some people just have personal problems with him I guess.

The Heisman never goes to the best player anyway so what does it really matter if Tebow didnt win. You cant really say hes better than Michael Crabtree or Eric Berry. You could even argue that Harvin is better. You could say Andre Smith, Michael Oher, or Eugene Monroe should have won it. The way the Heisman is judged really devalues the award and the guys I mentioned above would never have a shot at winning it.

well myself i agree with mr kotite there. it doesn't always go to the best player, but for the ones that had a chance at winning he should have won it. for some reason i can't stand tebow, mccoy will get it next year i bet

I would have went with McCoy but that's just me

I personally wouldn't have had a beef with any of them winning it. Some very good candidates this year who put up huge numbers.

Yeah, it's hard to argue against any of them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And this year with similar stats to the other two nondeservers is most likely to finish 3rd. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And as much as they were saying stuff about Tebow last night he will win it easily. </div></div>


First quote is what I said last night in the Erik Berry thread and the second was from TimmyV, hmmmm.

I still say that the best player has nothing to do with winning, being a really good/great player on a team of really good/great players means you will win alot of games but you have to look at the player individually. Is that not what this award is an idividual best player award. I would put Berry, Macho Harris or DJ Moore as an all around player against anyone in the country and feel confident in them winning head to head. Especially Berry and Harris did both of them not line up under/behind center some this year.

I figured that as much as they were talking about Tebow on the awards he would win. You could tell they really wanted him to win.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timmyv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I figured that as much as they were talking about Tebow on the awards he would win. You could tell they really wanted him to win. </div></div>

This is True

Im sure Tebow will be more pleased with his National Championship he is going to win, more than that Heisman anyway.

which one will win next year? Or will someone else win?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing Tebow deserves is a rimjob from Boy George. </div></div>

Im a Tenn fan. Tebow is the best player in the country. Stats mean nothing, just ask Peyton Manning. Bradford as well as McCoy are fantastic FB players, dont get me wrong. Any of the 3 could have won the award. Tebow had more 1st place votes and didnt win, which baffles me. So I guess the few of us on here that think TT is the best are not alone. As for your above juvenile comment, come January 8, we'll see who the best player is when the Gataaaz are kickin that ass. They dont call em Chokelahoma for nothing.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vol Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing Tebow deserves is a rimjob from Boy George. </div></div>

Im a Tenn fan. Tebow is the best player in the country. Stats mean nothing, just ask Peyton Manning. Bradford as well as McCoy are fantastic FB players, dont get me wrong. Any of the 3 could have won the award. Tebow had more 1st place votes and didnt win, which baffles me. So I guess the few of us on here that think TT is the best are not alone. As for your above juvenile comment, come January 8, we'll see who the best player is when the Gataaaz are kickin that ass. They dont call em Chokelahoma for nothing. </div></div>

none of that still means tebow is the best player. Theres no stats that can compare someone like Michael Crabtree to Tebow just like theres no stats that can compare Charles Woodson to Manning or Randy Moss. When it comes to the Heisman, everyone wants to argue because they think its so cut and dry but its really not. Its extremely debateable that Tebow is/isnt the best college football player.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich_Kotite</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vol Dude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing Tebow deserves is a rimjob from Boy George. </div></div>

Im a Tenn fan. Tebow is the best player in the country. Stats mean nothing, just ask Peyton Manning. Bradford as well as McCoy are fantastic FB players, dont get me wrong. Any of the 3 could have won the award. Tebow had more 1st place votes and didnt win, which baffles me. So I guess the few of us on here that think TT is the best are not alone. As for your above juvenile comment, come January 8, we'll see who the best player is when the Gataaaz are kickin that ass. They dont call em Chokelahoma for nothing. </div></div>

none of that still means tebow is the best player. Theres no stats that can compare someone like Michael Crabtree to Tebow just like theres no stats that can compare Charles Woodson to Manning or Randy Moss. When it comes to the Heisman, everyone wants to argue because they think its so cut and dry but its really not. Its extremely debateable that Tebow is/isnt the best college football player. </div></div>

Well said. I think the Heisman is alot more about lobbying. Its like in '97, Peyton won every award imaginable, then loses the Heisman. Before someone comes on here and says that Peyton didnt beat Florida, Bradford didnt beat Texas. Hard to tell what really goes on behind the scenes. As far as next years, barring any injuries, I dont see how these 3 could be out of the mention. Like I said, all 3 are great and deserved it.

I'm a little worried that Florida will not have their OC for the game. We've seen teams lose coaches before big games and have an effect on the outcome.

And we have seen teams win NC title games after losing coaches during the break. Its about a 50-50 deal whether they win or not when a coach stays on or leaves.

Tebow deserved it. Tebow put up his stats against way tougher defenses. McCoy and Bradford put up their numbers in the No D Big 12

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Edge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tebow deserved it. Tebow put up his stats against way tougher defenses. McCoy and Bradford put up their numbers in the No D Big 12</div></div>

That arguement doesnt hold any weight. Bradford threw for no less than 395 yards against the #11 and #12 teams in the nation which do not play in the Big 12. Bradford didnt have a bad game all season and thats largely why he won it.

doesn't matter where they are / were ranked. you can be ranked #1 but not have a defense and out point everyone. Tebow played against 6 of the nations top 30 defenses and Bradford played 2 of the top 30.

like i said in this post earlier, you can't go wrong with any of the 3 that were up for the award. that being said Tebow got his stats against better defences that the other 2.

but his stats were nowhere near bradford's stats

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich_Kotite</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Edge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tebow deserved it. Tebow put up his stats against way tougher defenses. McCoy and Bradford put up their numbers in the No D Big 12</div></div>

That arguement doesnt hold any weight. Bradford threw for no less than 395 yards against the #11 and #12 teams in the nation which do not play in the Big 12. Bradford didnt have a bad game all season and thats largely why he won it. </div></div>

So what teams were the #'s 12 and 11?

Take a look at these pages and compare total defensive stats and you'll see that the SEC totally outclasses the Big 12 as far as defense is concerned.

SEC:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal..._SEC&year=2008

Big 12:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal..._SEC&year=2008

Now, the big ballyhoo about Oklahoma was that they put up 60+ points in 5 straight games. However, look at those 5 teams and their average points per game that their defenses gave up:

Nebraska: 29.2
Texas A&M: 37.4
Texas Tech: 26.3
Ok. State: 26.9
Missouri: 27.5

Now, any team that comes in with a respectable offense against these defenses is bound to put up big numbers. Sam Bradford...good qb? Yes. As compared to Tebo who plays in a better defensive conference? No question what Tebo accomplished this year stands head and shoulders above Bradford to me.

TCU and Cincy are #11 and #12. I made my point. We arent talking about Tebow, we are talking about Bradford.

Anyway,Im really surprised that we are giving so much credit to Tebow because he played in the SEC when the SEC has been the worst it has been in years. Most people on this board have said all year long that the Big 12 is the best conference and even the ACC may be better than the SEC with the exception of the top 2 teams. You cant have it both ways, its not like Tebow went against Alabama every week. Its the same people that knock the ACC for not having any offense that knock the big 12 for not having any defense yet somehow the ACC has put enough offense together to beat the SEC teams consistently this year.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starbuck</div><div class="ubbcode-body">doesn't matter where they are / were ranked. you can be ranked #1 but not have a defense and out point everyone. Tebow played against 6 of the nations top 30 defenses and Bradford played 2 of the top 30.

like i said in this post earlier, you can't go wrong with any of the 3 that were up for the award. that being said Tebow got his stats against better defences that the other 2. </div></div>

Those stats can be extremely skewed. Its like the stats where everyone in the ACC has a dominant defense and no offense, yet when you look at the reality, most ACC teams dont really have good offenses at all and in the same breath, those teams have given up quite a few points against non-acc teams.

Its no coincidence that defenses look good in the SEC. Have you not noticed the amount of coaches fired largely in part due to a lack of offense?

One could criticize the B12 for being the no defense league but the same one could criticize the SEC for being the no offense/close to the ACC in offense league.

The SEC was down this year, mainly one in department: QB play. The conference was still better than the other major conferences, with the Big 12 being the biggest rival although no one in that conference knows the object of how to play D it doesn't seem like.

No, there is no argument. Bottom line is Big 12 plays no defense. SEC does.

its REAL close between the sec and bigxii this year.



the top two are a moot, #1UF #4UA #2OU #3UT

its really close

Texas Tech-UGA
Mizzou=LSU
Ok State-Ole Miss

on down the line...

i say its real close

the national title winner will decide the best conference

The Ole Miss game did it in for Tebow i believe