What happens when we die

27. What happens when we die?

SOME OF THE SOURCES USED ARE:


Silver Birch (Ortzen 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991), Arthur Findlay, White Eagle, Anthony Borgia, Lord Dowding, Sir William Crookes, Sir Oliver Lodge, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Leslie Flint, Ivan Cooke, George Meek, HP. Blavatsky, Dr Carl Wickland, Sir William Crookes, Dr Robert Crookall, Sir William Barrett, the Rev. C Drayton Thomas, Geraldine Cummins, FWD Myers, Raymond Bayliss, Gary Williams, Arthur Ford, Johannes Greber, George Anderson, Charles Hapgood, Dr Maurice Rawlings, Allan Kardec, Emmanuel, Joe Fisher, Dr Ian Stevenson, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Martin Ebon, Robert James Lees, Ruth Montgomery, Stainton Moses, Ursula Roberts, Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, Jane Roberts, Helen Greaves and the Association for the Scientific Investigation of the After Life.


We are privileged to have this information. What is absolutely staggering is the consistency of the information about what happens to us when we die which comes from many people from many countries over many centuries.


The great scientist Dr Robert Crookall, DSC. PhD, who undertook a systematic study of many of the above sources and of hundreds of other communications from the afterlife and published the results in his book The Supreme Adventure (1961).


His work is considered 'scientific' in that it painstakingly and objectively examines the evidence, it is internally coherent and it provides hypotheses consistent with a great mass of factual evidence.


Crookall was amazed at the consistency of the evidence coming from all over the world. Communications from every country ? from Brazil, from England, from South Africa, from Tibet from Europe, from India and from Australia are all consistent. He was also amazed that they were identical with the beliefs held by the natives of the Hawaiian Islands, cut off from other civilizations for years prior to their 'discovery' by Captain Cook in 1788. He was also amazed at the consistency of the evidence given by people who had Out of Body Experiences, Near-Death Experiences and the communications of high level mediums.


Crookall was a member of the Churches' Fellowship for Psychical Study which came into being in England to allow those who had personal experiences of a psychic and spiritual nature to share them and to examine them in the light of traditional church teachings on the afterlife. The preface to his book was written by a former Chief Justice of the British High Court who concluded that:


It behooves every ordained Minister in the land to use it.


Vital eye-witness messages from the afterlife


Vital messages from the Higher Intelligences transmitted in different countries to us humans on this earth in the last few decades REPEATEDLY inform us that, (succinctly put):


? All humans survive physical death, irrespective of their beliefs.


? At the point of death we take our mind with all its experiences, our character and our etheric (spirit) body ? which is a duplicate of the earth body. It comes out of the earth body on the point of death and is connected to the earth body by a silver chord. Death occurs when the silver cord is severed from the physical body. Silver Birch, a High Intelligence from the afterlife who has transmitted more than nine books, informs us that in the afterlife the etheric body and our surroundings will be just as solid as our world seems to us now.


? Immediately after physical death many may feel an urge to lift themselves upwards.


? The state of mind at the point of death is crucial. Some pass over consciously and are fully aware of the loved ones who come to welcome the new arrival; others are unconscious and are taken to a special place of rest like a hospital or rest home. Anyone who has been sick for some time will need time to readjust their mental picture of themselves.


? Some people at the point of death find it easy to get out of the dead physical body. With others, helpers need to actively assist in the transition. Some very materialistic people will have a very heavy duplicate body and it will be more difficult for them to separate from their dead physical body.


? A WARNING: Some hallucinogenic drugs have the potency to lift the duplicate out of the physical body. Seen by entities from the afterlife, drug takers, '... have pathetic looks as if they had no soul ... they are vacant behind the eyes. When out of the body other lower entities try to enter the drug-taker's body ? then you have possession.'


? There is no such thing as heaven 'up in the sky' or hell 'down below': the location of the afterlife does not change from the earth plane ? different spheres interpenetrate ? from the highest vibrations to the lowest.


? Those with dogmatic, unalterable fixed ideas about what to expect immediately after death are likely to experience serious problems.


? Atheists, agnostics and others may not be encumbered from passing on to the higher spheres ? what they did in their lifetime and the motivation for what they did will be important not what they believed in.


? Love, unconditional love, is the most powerful force known in the universe.


? Unconditional love is the irretrievable link with our loved ones in the afterlife.


? Decent folk are met by their loved ones ? soul-mates are reunited. Higher Intelligences inform us that in the afterlife our appearance can regress to our best age ?for most people from the early- mid twenties.


? Loved ones from the afterlife, recently arrived and others, do have the power to visit loved ones still living on earth.


? Recently arrived loved ones, usually within three months of transition, are permitted to transmit visually ? by way of dreams or by apparition and other means ? evidence that they are still alive.


? The kind of life to be lived in the afterlife ? beauty, peace, light and love which awaits decent folk is unimaginable.


? One can still learn spiritual lessons in the afterlife and progress to higher even more beautiful spheres.


? Once you enter the afterlife, you will experience a feeling of enormous lightness.


? Any physical disabilities people had on earth will disappear ? for decent folk there will be no such thing as deformity, sickness, blindness or any other thing which adversely affected them on earth.


? The mind has enormous power in the afterlife. It can create matter there and can cause the body to travel at the speed of thought eg. you imagine you are at any place in the world and you are there instantly.


? Those who were consistently evil are either left alone or are met by those others of the same very low vibrations, with the same very low spirituality to be attracted to the darker lower spheres.


? Some people on earth have a much better transition to the afterlife than others ? the more knowledge we have about the afterlife, the easier the transition.


? Some people get stuck 'between the two worlds'. Because they still feel themselves solid, they do not accept that they have actually died. Many get into mental confusion and could get lost for decades and for much longer.


? Those who on earth were deeply caught in habits and vices ? tobacco, alcohol, gambling, drugs or overindulgence in sex can get caught on the astral level and will not progress until they are prepared to give up these habits.


? Energy - a universal law ? positive or negative ? is a 'boomerang'. When you send out good energy towards someone that good energy is returned sooner or later. If you send out negative energy by unfairly being dishonest against someone, or by cheating or lying or harassing or discrediting or causing harm to someone - that kind of negative energy will inevitably return to you.


? 'You will reap what you sow' is the recognized universal spiritual law. Karma means you will not get away with it. All negative deeds against others have to be experienced for the purpose of 'continuous spiritual refinement.'


? Every thought, every word and deed is recorded ... you will be held accountable ...


? In the higher spheres you will be able to recall and see any event in any period of your existence three dimensionally.


? Abuse of power and systematic harassment of others are two of the most karmic actions. Horrific karma awaits those whose task it was to protect society but themselves willfully abused their power, indulged in willful transgressions and caused harm and injury to others.


? You will NOT be excused for your evil behavior by claiming that you were just obeying orders.


? Cruelty ? mental or physical against humans or animals ? is highly karmic and is never justified.


? It is guaranteed that those who consistently abuse and harass others will have to face their victims, in the afterlife before severest retribution.


? After the severest retribution of those who intentionally harassed and deliberately violated other peoples' rights, the transgressors will have to apologize and seek forgiveness by the victims before they are allowed to make any progress.


? Hell for eternity and eternal damnation were invented by men to manipulate the hearts and the minds of the unaware ? they do NOT exist. Whilst there ARE lower spheres in the afterlife which are particularly dark, unpleasant and even horrific ? some call them 'hell'? ending up there is NOT for eternity. The universal Law of Progress ensures that at some time in the future those with lower vibrations will eventually, even if it takes aeons of time ? centuries even thousands of years ? obtain higher vibrations and graduate to the higher spheres.


? No one judges you or condemns you to the lower spheres. You condemn yourself to the lower horrific spheres ('hell') by the low vibrations (low spirituality) you acquired during life on earth.


? Deathbed conversion? We have been and we are repeatedly being informed by Higher Sources that immediately after we die our vibrations do not change ? not even if one repents shortly before death. We take with us the accumulated vibrations (spirituality) we gained or lost during our whole lifetime on earth. Baptism, repentance are absolutely meaningless as a way of getting ' a better deal ' immediately after death.


? If you helped just one person to attain the true knowledge you would have justified your existence on earth - Silver Birch.


? Preventing others from accessing true knowledge is highly karmic.


? No one on earth or elsewhere can hurt you spiritually.


? People on earth are not all born spiritually equal.


? Selfishness is one of the greatest transgressions against spirituality and is highly karmic.


? Not everybody has to 'reincarnate'.


? You do not come into this world to have a dream run ? without pain, suffering, without problems. The more varied your experience, the more learning from many mistakes, the more valuable your lifetime.


? Many of you will be cheated, maligned, unfairly harassed ... but justice will be done ... not in your world maybe but certainly in the world to come.


? The universal laws operate whether or not you are aware of them.


? Whenever there is an inconsistency between science and a belief system ? such as religion, traditional belief or skepticism, science inevitably prevails.


? Being religious does not necessarily mean being spiritual.


? Not participating in religious rituals eg. baptism, confessions and non-belief in creeds and dogmas does NOT encumber anyone from attaining higher spiritually and the higher afterlife spheres.


? In the afterlife communicating is done by telepathy.


? Communicating from and to the earthplane with those in the afterlife can be (and is being) done by telepathy,


? There are inherent dangers communicating with entities from the afterlife.


? Those from the afterlife can read our minds and can put thoughts and ideas into our minds. Lower, mischievous entities can put negative thoughts and ideas and the positive more enlightened entities assist us with positive thoughts and ideas. A great deal is left to the exercise of free will.


? We are at liberty to call the powerful protectors from the afterlife to assist us in coping with our everyday problems but they will not make decisions for us.


? Materialists and others spend too much time worrying about their last ten or twenty years on earth and do not spend a tiny fraction of their time thinking what's going to happen to them in the next ten, twenty thousand years, fifty thousand years ... and much, very much longer.


? What will happen to a person who suicides will depend on a number of things. Motivation is always very important. For example, there will be a big difference if one commits suicide because of inevitable death and one who suicides to avoid responsibilities. Those who take their own lives to avoid problems and responsibilities are likely to increase their problems and responsibilities in the afterlife.


? There are different levels of spheres in the afterlife ? from the lowest vibrations to the highest. On physical death we go to the sphere which can accommodate the vibrations we accumulated throughout our life on earth. Simplistically put, most decent folk are likely to go to the 'third' sphere ? some people call the summerland. The higher the vibrations, the better the conditions ? which will take us to the higher spheres. We are informed that the higher spheres are too beautiful to even imagine. For those with very, very low vibrations, very serious problems do exist.


? Consistent with the Law of Progress, eventually, even if it takes aeons of time, all will progress to the higher spheres,


? Like attracts like in the afterlife. Unlike on the earth plane, those with lower vibrations cannot mix freely with those in the higher spheres.


? There truly is a war between the Forces of the Light and the Forces of Darkness. Those who continuously disseminate darkness: ignorance, false and pernicious propaganda, hatred, harassment of others, abuse of power, lying, cheating, dominance to exploit and other negative energy will attract ? and are very likely to become part of the Forces of Darkness. Those others spreading and working towards greater understanding, knowledge, peace, love, light, harmony and other positive energy will attract and become part of the Forces of the Light.


? Self responsibility ? ultimately, you yourself are responsible for all acts and omissions during your time on the earth plane


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http://www.victorzammit.com/book/chapter27.html

So...
"Not participating in religious rituals eg. baptism, confessions and non-belief in creeds and dogmas does NOT encumber anyone from attaining higher spiritually and the higher afterlife spheres"

But...
"Those who on earth were deeply caught in habits and vices — tobacco, alcohol, gambling, drugs or overindulgence in sex can get caught on the astral level and will not progress until they are prepared to give up these habits"


Just sounds to me like more mind control propaganda designed to keep you in line

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serious problems? he could have bloody elaborated...

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and what will happen?

i'd have to agree with thomas on this one innit.

We go to heaven (Someone such as The Matrix for dead people)

nothing boody happens as far as I'm concerned.

We die, we stop thinking. Brain Dead, DEAD.

Heaven's just something to look forward too, like if you eat your vegetables you will get ice-cream. If you re-produce you get to live forever in Nirvana.

Until we all get infected with RAGE and kill eachoter. Then try to make it to Manchester.

I'm with you on this one.

BOLD <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor=""><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Quote </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE> <ul type="square">fred john[/list]

Interesting theory
Although I dont get the part which go's on about us being responsible for all our thoughts and actions whilst on earth though.
Because it also states that entities on the lower darker planes can play with our thoughts and make us think/do bad things.
so if some nasty little fiend decides to project negative images in my mind or makes me carry out an act that is deemed as bad karma i'll be punished for this??
surely if this is the case,how can anybody be fairly judged? alot of the misdeminers(bad spelling i know) pointed out there are wide spread flaws in todays sociaty. arent they?!
I wouldnt say im that bad a person but judging from those rules:-
i'll see you all on the lower spheres

That was a pretty good film don't you reckon John?

Bring on the British

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor=""><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fred West:
Interesting theory
Although I dont get the part which go's on about us being responsible for all our thoughts and actions whilst on earth though.
Because it also states that entities on the lower darker planes can play with our thoughts and make us think/do bad things.
so if some nasty little fiend decides to project negative images in my mind or makes me carry out an act that is deemed as bad karma i'll be punished for this??
surely if this is the case,how can anybody be fairly judged? alot of the misdeminers(bad spelling i know) pointed out there are wide spread flaws in todays sociaty. arent they?!
I wouldnt say im that bad a person but judging from those rules:-
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Are you punished for thinking bad things? Im sure it says alot of it is down to willpower, you could have negative thoughts put in your mind, but its down to willpower whether you act upon them or not.. kinda like TV violence
but if you're right, we'll be sipping coffee with Dr. Harold Shipman for the rest of eternity.. [img]confused.gif[/img]

Smashing film, smashing.

When i die my body will be buried in the ground for the maggots to infest, i will become one with the earth. My soul will go into the next new born, animal or human, from which i will live again.

jimmy b aint never gonna die.

dont matter, you prob wont no bout it. u die ur mind dies n then nothing! simple

You can never keep a good man down

[img]rolleyes.gif[/img] He/She's back!

When you die you die it is very simple your brain is dead your herat is not working therefore you are no longer living and no longer in exssitace you are either buried or cremated you do not feel either You are dead

My herat never works when I want it to.

Whats a herat?

What happens when we die

I don't know.

We die...

So, whatever you do, when you die you will be with like minded people,according to the original post.
But no one knows what happens, thats the whole thing with death, like some exclusive club, you hear about it, but what goes on inside? You'll have to die to find out. I'm sure if I could clever I would be able to articulate what I'm trying to say...ah well.

"Perhaps all the wisdom, and all truth, and all sincerity, are just compressed into that inappreciable moment of time in which we step over the threshold of the invisible"

Perhaps.

so when we die we are greeted by our loved ones and reunited with our soul mates, what if our loved ones have higer or lower vibrations than us and are on different planes? do they still come and meets us or is it only the loved ones who are on the same level as you?
Also, do you believe everyone has a soul mate? if so what happens to the children who die without finding thiers? and what happens to thier soulmate? does this poor creature spend the rest of thier lives searching for someone who no longer exists thus wasting thier life, and when they die are they still 'reunited' with thier supposed soulmate whom they haven't even met before, not to mention the fact that thier soulmate died as a child and would not be able to visualise themselves any older than they were when they died, imagine if you will a 5 year old boy hand in hand with a thirty seven year old woman, soulmates.
Can you still have sex on the other planes?

i dont really care what happens when you die. and i dont give a shit what happens when i die either, so long as its not just this all over again

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sorry, wrong post

you rot away

or you could get reincarnated into gay little bunny rabbits.