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Why does anybody take this seriously? The officiating is a joke, Kobe isn't even touched and they call a foul? Then they call a push off foul on Orlando? haha Go ahead and give it to LA, I'm just glad I don't care or I'd be irate at this point. I don't hate LA either, it's the same thing every year. The only time you get a good NBA finals is when two big name teams or players are in it.
Geez, Kobe falls to the ground and another foul on Orlando.
I'll go ahead and open a can of worms here...
NBA Finals.
Orlando has these five on the floor: Lee, Lewis, Turkoglu, Howard, and...
JJ Red1ck.
Who not more than 1 minute ago hit a corner 3 to tie the ballgame.
Game's tied right now, going into OT probly, and I want LA to win this series...but I can't help but wonder what an Orlando title WITH Red1ck contributing down the stretch in games like this would do to the whole Blake/Red1ck argument.
I think it'd put it to bed...:D You gotta measure players by titles, or at least playing for them.
1/6 from the field in 22 minutes 3 points. Big time contributer, if it comes down to the end of the game and he has to shoot he'll miss. He always has and always will. You realize that Steve Blake has put up a double double in a playoff game right? I'll give Re**** credit though, he did hit a wide open three, congrats.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
We censor R e d i c k now? Of course there is little reason to mention his name. Remember the 2004 ACC Tournament and the Final Four JJ. BTW, Gasol goaltended and the game should've been over.
No foul out of bounds on the Magic. This is comical.
Im listening on the radio, and the reason they gave for no goaltend was because Gasols hand was in the net before the ball hit the cylinder.
2:30 to go and Re**** misses a wide open 3, some things never change.
Two minutes to go JJ turns it over, I think your going to lose this one Cane.
27 minutes 2/9 from the field, 5 points, and 1 huge turnover. 1/6 from beyond the arc.
The fact that Blake's sitting at home watching like you and me, and JJ's on the floor at least with the opportunity to make plays (whether he makes them or not) speaks volumes to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by pvfan
You rattled off JJ's stats in this game, and pointed out his mistakes & missteps. Please--I'm begging you, give us the same breakdown of Blake's NBA Finals experiences--please...because you can't.
Just remember--Blake's at home, JJ's playing for a ring. Not much you can argue with there. If Blake was SOOOO much better of an NBA player, he'd be on the court tonight. But he's not.
Is there a worse sport than NBA basketball? I have seen two games in person, including one in madison square garden when the Knicks were relevant, and they have both not been very good.
Ive been to every major sporting event, from horse racing to boxing to hockey, and all most college sports, and none are as bad as an NBA game.
I have no idea why i watched tonight or why i ever watch!
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Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
That might quite possibly be the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I guess JJ is better than Lebron too?
Agreed, only good thing about the nba is that you can sit pretty much court side for practically nothing in the regular season.Quote:
Originally Posted by howdyho
The officiating sucks, it was horrible tonight.
That still should have been a goal tending call. The rule states if a players hand goes into the net, or cylinder during a shot, it is goal tending. He even was in relief that it wasn't called.
Nope--Lebron played for a ring year before last. Blake's never had that opportunity in the NBA. Players that get to play in crunch time in a championship series are good players. Blake's at home, JJ's on the floor (regardless of performance).Quote:
Originally Posted by pvfan
You still haven't rattled off Blake's NBA Finals numbers yet.
Here's a novel thought--Courtney Lee should have made the shot, left no doubt about the outcome. He makes the shot--it doesn't matter if Gasol's hand is in the net/cylinder.Quote:
Originally Posted by steer
It's a tough shot--but if you want to win the NBA Finals--those are the types of shots you have to make. Instead of blaming goal tending, make the shot. And yes, it could have been called by the letter of the rule--but did it alter the shot at all? Watch the replay--it's highly dubious to say it altered the shot. I don't think NBA officials (who we've all come on here and said have done a bad job) are going to even think about making a goaltending call in the NBA Finals on the last shot of a game with 0.6 secs left.
So by your logic, JJ is a better player than Carmelo, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, and Chris Bosh? Really, get serious.Quote:
Nope--Lebron played for a ring year before last. Blake's never had that opportunity in the NBA. Players that get to play in crunch time in a championship series are good players. Blake's at home, JJ's on the floor (regardless of performance).
You still haven't rattled off Blake's NBA Finals numbers yet.
In all honesty, I have enjoyed the NBA thoroughly over the past 2 seasons. I hated it with a passion for many years prior, but have really enjoyed the games. Bad officiating occurs at every level in every sport. Hell, I watched a Reds game the other day when a game was nearly decided by an interference call at 3b in which the player never touched the guy and there was no interference at all.
As for the goaltending, I would love to hear the sports world today had that game gotten decided on a Gasol goaltend that did not affect the shot whatsoever. As far as I am concerned, the officiating was pretty darn good. Heck, they called three 3-second violations in the first half. Im not sure there were that many violations called all year! They even called a few moving screens in the game. All they needed was one travelling violation and the yearly quota would have been met.
This ain't about Melo/Paul/Roy/Johnson/Bosh or any other players. The comparison you've always made is Blake vs. Red1ck. That's the comparison here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pvfan
Blake's at home, Red1ck's playing for an NBA title. The Magic may lose, but that's a 1up for Red1ck in my book--the fact that he's at least on the floor in crunchtime while Blake's on the couch eatin popcorn.
what a stupid arguement cane.
since jj plays on a better team in a weaker conference, hes a better player because his team made it further?
haha
i feel like im pvfan's sidekick on this one haha
but hes right, thats a lame arguement.
you would be right if reddd**** was a main contributor to the team, hell even a starter, but coming off the bench and playing in the finals does not make one player better than the other, facts.
by your logic, this year JJ is better than tim duncan, tony parker, lebron, melo, dwade, chris paul, paul pierce, ray allen, andre igoudala, joe johnson, steve nash, amare, you get the point? i could go all day.
i mean its obvious the nba wants LA to win, it was obvious they wanted LA to play CLE, but orlando managed to beat the cavs+3 most of the time.
kobe gets tons of calls, but hes no different from otehr superstars, the nba caters to the big names, which makes the officiating look like fools work sometimes. kobe gets the calls, lebron, TD, paul pierce, dwade, etc...
I'd understand how "lame" my argument was IF I were saying that JJ was better than any player not in the finals. That's not my point. The argument for a LONG time on here has been Blake vs. Red1ck--that's the comparison to be made here. Red1ck's in the Finals, Blake's not--plain & simple.
Besides, it's not like I'm looking to get too deep into it--I'm just breakin Double D's balls a little, hadn't got him riled up in a while, I knew that'd do it...:D
oh, well that makes more sense then.
its a decent arguement to aggravate a bias terp fan, i agree
but i have to admit, jj's playing tiem has surprised me to death, i never thought he would get this quality PT
both suck.............end of argument
Don't mention the fact that he AVG double figures the entire series against Boston until Stan Van Dumbass decided to sit him the entire Cavs series. Re**** may never be a full time starter in the league but he should be getting more minutes than he does. He has showed that when he gets minutes on a regular basis, he plays well and so does the team. It is hard for anybody to just come in 1 game, then sit for 5, then come back in for another and get into a rhythm. I don't care who you are.
And again, Blake should post a double double, he is a PG, SG's don't post many double doubles, especially when you are Re****. Apples / Oranges
I don't think the Magic are gonna win the series but geez the refs are making it easier on the Lakers, just give it to em.
One would think JJ would shoot the 3 better than Blake wouldn't they? He doesn't this is the dumbest argument in the world, Blake starts JJ doesn't, Blake has won at every level, including winning a national championship in high school. The biggest thing JJ has ever won is a AA state title at Cave Spring.
If anyone wants to blame the game on a non goaltending call. Did anyone see the goal tend that wasnt called by Howard against Gasol toward the first of game. His hand went through the net as well as the center of the rim to make a block on a ball falling into the basket. Using everyones logic on here, if that had been called then maybe the game doesnt go into OT.
a call at the first of a game does not affect the outcome of the game; but a call at the very end of regulation would, therefore it wasnt made.
thats a terrible argument.
the logic displayed is that a huge call at the end of a game needs to be called if it breaks the rules, no matter what the situation is. a silly no call in the first quarter means nothing at the end of the game, its not a game changing call.
I think the game should be called the same way from start to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
but an obvious missed call in the first is insignificant compared to a missed call in the waning stages of the game
Basketball is a game of momentum. Who's to say that call at the first of the game could have sent the Lakers on a scoring run or vice versa. You, nor anyone else can say one way ot the other. I disagree with your comment about the first of the game calls as opposed to the end of the game. Fouls at the first of the game directly affect the rest of the game, by playing time of players, and are as important if not more important than calls at the end of the game.
haha that has to be the dumbest thing ive heard.
so a call that can easily be overcome by strategy and coaching is more important than a call at the end, that DECIDES the game?
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Exactly, if that's called like it should have been..game over of course and LA's the one in trouble. But I understand that a call like that would NEVER be called at Staples, unless it's the other way around. Should be a good one tonight.
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Self-fulfilling prophecies are great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me, over a week ago in the other thread
NBA refs who make calls like that with that little time left on the clock are darned if they do/darned if they don't. It's either "they should have never inserted themselves in the game by letting a call decide the game, especially in the Finals", OR--it'd be "they should call the game by the letter of the rules, no matter what the situation on the floor/with the clock".
Like I said in the other thread--if Courtney Lee actually MAKES the shot (novel thought, huh kiddies?), all of this is moot. Heck, I almost wish Lee WOULD have made the shot so I wouldn't have to listen to people complain about goaltending not being called on an alley-oop inbounds play with 0.6 seconds to go. It's getting annoying.
i never said gasol broke a rule, i was arguing about the call situation
but if you dont think the nba has an agenda, you havent watched the same playoffs i watched.
Joey Crawford is the worst NBA official. Every single time, there is a questionable call... his name is mentioned as the official.
He's just horrible, for L.A., and Orlando.
Foul on Howard with a minute to go on all ball? You'd have to be blind not to think the officiating in the NBA is horrible.