Legacy's Allure

No, not that random old tempest wannabe control magic, the format. That's what this thread is about. So I'll get it going. Last Saturday I played a Legacy tourney at Stadium, Jacob was there rocking an Enchantress deck and I was doped up on sinus meds and couldn't reall think straight.

There wen't many people there, but here is how my day went:

Round One: RGW Aggros Burn.

Ok, so this is a silly match-up. I lose the first game, but only barely, we got into a top deck war and he drew more burn than creatures. In the second game I draw my Pulse of the Fields, a Tundra and a Fetch, so it was game over as soon as Elspeth the table and he scooped after a couple turns of her fury. The final game was very similar with Elsepth ruining his plans and me running through a Jace and 3 Standstills for insane card advantage, not to mention dredging Loam for my fetches and having all the duals in my deck in play. It was... unfair.

Round Two: Mono Black Demigod Kick my ass...

Turn 1: He drops a pro white and black critter that pounds me until I drop a Deed which he follows with a Demigod and I die.
Next game, double hymn on turn one... turn two Dark Ritual, pro white and black guy again and all I can draw is swords... I die.
Final Round, I get the bye and I'm done. By this point I've gotten so dizzy from my meds I don't care.

So here is the deck I playerd:

Land (24)
3x Polluted Delta
3x Flooded Strand
1x Scalding Tarn
4x Tundra
4x Tropical Island
3x Underground Sea
4x Mishra's Factory
2x Nantuko Monastery

Removal (12)
4x Swords to Plowshares
2x Diabolic Edict
4x Pernicious Deed
2x Engineered Explosives

Counters (8)
4x Force of Will
4x Counterspell

Draw (10)
4x Standstill
4x Brainstorm
2x Jace Beleren

Other (6)
1x Humility
2x Stifle
1x Life from the Loam
2x Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Board (15)
1x Pulse of the Fields
3x Extirpate
3x Hydroblast
2x Engineered Plague
1x Krosan Grip
3x Meddling Mage
1x Stifle
1x Tormod's Crypt

Hey Jason, here's that merfolk decklist I was talking about earlier.

Lands
13 Island
4 Wasteland
3 Mutavault

Creatures
4 Cursecatcher
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merrow Reejery
3 Merfolk Sovereign
2 Wakethrasher/Cold-Eyed Selkie

Instants
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
3 Stifle

Enchantments/Artifacts
4 Standstill
4 Aether Vial

Looks good... here are some of the cards I have if you need to borrow them while you build it up:

2x Curse Catcher
4x Daze
3x Stifle
2x Chalice of the Void

Was there anything else we talked about? I know I've got two Lord of Atlantis, but I have no idea where they could be. I might have some Silvergill Adepts too if you want me to look.

I really like the idea of Cold-Eyed Selkie in the board, I totally forgot that card and I could see that being sick CA vs. a deck running blue (ie half the decks out there).

I ended up ID'ing with the URW aggro guy (Zoo for those more in teh know). He was also my loss for the day. I ended up 2nd beating the mono-black guy that Jason got rolled by, and some guy playing some really bad thing. I did avenge Jason though, as my deck kind of just eats the mono black guy's face.

Really Bad Enchantress

4 Enchantress' Presence
4 Argothian Enchantress
4 Sterling Grove
2 Wild Growth
4 Utopia Sprawl
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Solitary Confinement
4 Elephant Grass
2 City of Solitude
1 Seal fo Primordium
2 Exploration
1 Karmic Justice
1 Ground Seal
1 Aura of Silence
1 Blood Moon
2 Replenish
1 Words of War
2 Sigil of the Empty Throne
4 Windswept Heath
7 Forest
3 Plains
3 Savannah (may go to 2 with a Plateau if wasteland appears more)
1 Taiga
2 Serra's Sanctum

The board

1 Runed Halo
2 Ghostly Prison
1 CoP: Red
1 Replenish
2 Sacred Ground
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
2 Compost
1 Choke
1 Ground Seal
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Seal of Cleansing

The board was thrown together at the last minute because I forgot to do it before. I think with what was played there, the Wheel would go away for another Prison. I also think I need a 2nd Runed Halo in there somewhere. Sacred Ground wasn't that useful, but there's a guy I know who's runing around with geddon stax and it makes him cry, so it stays. Compost was mostly useless.

BTW - Jason, this deck should eat your face.

Cosi's Merfolk that I can;t remember the full name of is a card from Zendikar is awesome. I would think it good against decks in Legacy.

Cosi's Trickster looks intriguing, but it's untested. As of right now, no merfolk decks seem to be running it. In some match-ups it could be a house if dropped early, however its a terrible topdeck. I'm unsure at this point if it will see play in an already tight creature list. Is it better than Cursecatcher? I would argue no, not most of the time, but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by anonymos

BTW - Jason, this deck should eat your face.

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Well considering my deck does best against creature decks, it would at least in the first round. My current sideboard is pretty terrible against your deck, but Landstill is known for having pretty strong MU's against almost anything except 43 Land... and I seem to be lacking against whatever that black deck was. An early meddling mage or two could have made your life very difficult, but thats all conjecture since we didn't play each other so it doesn't really matter.

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Originally Posted by cmorndorf

Hey Jason, here's that merfolk decklist I was talking about earlier.

Lands
13 Island
4 Wasteland
3 Mutavault

Creatures
4 Cursecatcher
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merrow Reejery
3 Merfolk Sovereign
2 Wakethrasher/Cold-Eyed Selkie

Instants
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
3 Stifle

Enchantments/Artifacts
4 Standstill
4 Aether Vial

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I'm so cool I can quote myself, but I was thinking about the sideboard.

4 Chalice of the Void
2 Cold-Eyed Selkie
4 Hydroblast
2 Back to Basics
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Pithing Needle ???

Remember that after I board, I've got choke to go with the blood moon and city of solitude. I also have an extra O. Ring. That's the first Mage target btw. Then you hit Words of War then Sigil I think. Keep those off the board and pray I don't resolve a replenish and you have a chance. Deed sucks for me, but I have replenish.

BTW - why don't you have that land that recurs artifacts? Seems good with EE.

I'm not sure where Trickster goes, but it belongs somewhere. It's a 1 drop that will be 2/2 by the time you get to swing pretty much guaranteed. Sure, he isn't good late game, but what 1 drops can you think of that are all by themself? I have a feeling that he'll be a metagame call for a bit. I'm thinking of trying to build a turbo powered landfall deck for legacy since I've got 2 free tourney's now.

Exploration + Horn of Greed + Crop Rotation/Harrow/Map + that blue landfall enchant to draw sounds pretty land heavy fast. Maybe add Overhyped Cobra to the mix and just play dumb stuff?

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Originally Posted by anonymos

Remember that after I board, I've got choke to go with the blood moon and city of solitude. I also have an extra O. Ring. That's the first Mage target btw. Then you hit Words of War then Sigil I think. Keep those off the board and pray I don't resolve a replenish and you have a chance. Deed sucks for me, but I have replenish.

BTW - why don't you have that land that recurs artifacts? Seems good with EE.

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Lets just agree that we have a lot of nasty cards that could hurt eachother...

Acedemy Ruins? I tried it in my earlier builds and found that my superior CA was generally more than enough and recurring a quirky removal spell that required me to take on an additional colorless mana source (I already run 6 colorless in a 4 color deck) was just too dangerous. If I am going to run another colorless land it will be www.FindMagicCards.com - Dust Bowl. I would also run a Crucible of Worlds main deck too.

I'm used to the 2 and 3 color builds that can run wasteland. Either way, I'm not sure what I'm gonna play tomorrow. Probably Enchantress again unless I work up the motivation to put together R/G survival before hand. It's fun to play bigger dumb beatsticks against zoo. :D

Good luck, I won't be there this week or next, Celebrating my BDay today and got a sealed tourney next weekend, but I should be there on the next one. The 24th I beleive. I've been considering running It's the Fear, Gearhart's control deck, but I need Intuitions and Goyfs before I can do that.

I have one Goyf and one Intuition (I think) left right now. I ended up splitting top 2 with the same guy as last week yesterday. I think I need to play something different next week. Running into 6 Fracturing Gusts put there just for me makes me think I need to swap decks for a week or two.

Oh damn, thats quite a lot. I figured you would have had dredge ready by now. Was it mostly the same people with the same decks otherwise?

The guy I had split with the previous week was playing Bant Survival. The guy playing black aggro played it again (and I got paired up against him again and felt like an ass). The really annoying talkative guy played B/W. Some guy showed up with a bad Rock variant. Annoying guy brought an annoying friend who played Madness. The guy that showed up late the week before was late again and I don't know what he played.

I'm going to leave enchantress together so they can celebrate their "tech" against me. I just need more sleeves of that color so I can play something else and have them be excited for nothing.

I'm debating between ordering everything for Ichorid since none of the stores have it and seeing what all I have gotten rid of for Solidarity.

The Zoo guy said he was going to put Bant Survival together... honestly, that matchup would have been less scary than Zoo to me. I don't even think they will notice a differnt color sleeve, so I wouldn't worry about that. Also, the more I think about that matchup I had with the mono-black deck, the more I think he just had killer draws (and the second game, my draws were total crap).

The late guy plays Merfolk, and I am sure he will keep playing it for a while. He seemed like he was just getting into the format and his deck was still a work in progress.

I will most likely be switching to solidarity sometime, but I am going to play Landstill for a while, I really want to know that deck and how it plays vs. whatever else.

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This idea comes with a disclaimer. It does things I am prone to which includes doing something really dumb.

Here's my new project. Dream Halls

Dream Halls (Stronghold) - Gatherer - Magic: The Gathering

Here's my idea. I want to win turn 2 with Coalition Victory.

Turn 1: Saprazzan Skerry
Turn 2: Swamp > Dark Ritual > Dream Halls
pitch Something > Cast Conflux -- find Prismatic Omen, Progenitus, Coalition Victory, multicolored card with green, other card

discard mccw/green > cast Omen
discard something > cast Progenitus
discard something > cast Coalition Victory
smile with big shit eating grin cause you did something amazing on turn two

The fun part about this is you can make it reminiscent of a 5c deck when you start to go off. You can chain cast conflux and play big dumb men with haste. You can do lots of dumb, it's just a matter of resolving dream halls and watching the dumb ensue. I'm thinking blue/white/black to allow for Academy Rector, E. Tutor, Dark Ritual, Lim-Dul's Vault and such.

Anyone going this coming Saturday?

I should be there. Just as a heads up, GYGO is running a Legacy Tournament for a Mox Jet this saturday. It is also the One month of Zendikar thing. Are you getting the promos for it in? The full art Ameria or whatever would be neat for the winners.

I'd love to play this weekend, but I can't... and screw GYGO.

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Originally Posted by anonymos

I should be there. Just as a heads up, GYGO is running a Legacy Tournament for a Mox Jet this saturday. It is also the One month of Zendikar thing. Are you getting the promos for it in? The full art Ameria or whatever would be neat for the winners.

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Well shit, I may go to GYGO.

So the GYGO tourney only had 23. I think the holiday ate the numbers everywhere.

Edit: I just got done setting up MWS if you guys want to play online and test.

MWS... I'm assuming thats some sort of deck building thing... that would be cool, got a link?

google search

Home - Magic Workstation, Cards Management and Decks Testing for CCG Players, Online Play

and then you have to download the zendikar patch - don't remember the site off the top of my head. it's a .net address

Collectible Card Game Headquarters sounds right though

Grand Prix at Columbus next summer!!

It has promo Umezawa's Jitte too!

Ooo... that sounds good.

So I'm looking at two new(ish) decks, one of which is a different breed of landstill I have not explored yet and it looks a little like this...

4 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Mishra's Facroty
1 Plains
1 Plateau
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Tolaria West
3 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
2 Wasteland
1 Academy Ruins
1 Barbarian Ring

4 Brainstom
3 Counterspell
2 Fact or Fiction
2 Fire / Ice
4 Force of Will
3 Lightning Helix
2 Spell Snare
4 Swords to Plowshares

2 Humility
4 Standstill

2 Crucible of Worlds
3 Engineered Explosives

1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Elspeth, Kinght-Errant

BOARD
4 Meddling Mage
1 Dismantling Blow
2 Pyroblast
2 Ray of Distortion
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroclasm
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt

This is one example I liked. Another I found on the boards looked like this...

// Lands
4 [ON] Flooded Strand
1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
2 [R] Volcanic Island
4 [R] Tundra
4 [4E] Mishra's Factory
3 [UNH] Island
2 [UNH] Plains
1 [MM] Dust Bowl
1 [ZEN] Mountain
2 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn

// Spells
3 [SHM] Firespout
3 [M10] Jace Beleren
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
3 [FD] Engineered Explosives
4 [b] Swords to Plowshares
1 [FD] Vedalken Shackles
2 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant
4 [DIS] Spell Snare
4 [AL] Force of Will
1 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
1 [EX] Forbid
3 [MM] Brainstorm
3 [OD] Standstill
2 [CFX] Path to Exile

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [IN] Dismantling Blow
SB: 3 [RAV] Lightning Helix
SB: 3 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 4 [CS] Counterbalance
SB: 3 [u] Red Elemental Blast
SB: 1 [FNM] Capsize

I'm playing with something similar to the second list. I'm probably gonna jump from ancestral visions to standstill. I'm trying to find numbers I like, but visions isn't getting the job done in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of shackles in the deck, and want to cap out my helixes and add another ajani, but that's me.

Ancestral Vision is not as good in this sort of deck simply because it removes the power of dropping a factory or two or a planeswalker followed up with a Standstill. Also, you don't have the 4 turn wait with Standstill, rather its a game of "do I break it now or next turn." There is no incentive for them to wait a turn or two with Vision, in fact it does quite the opposite, they want to speed up before you get the 3 cards from it.