John Crompton Earned my respect...

I just re-watched yesterday's game on CSS's encore (a cool as hell show, replaying all the SEC games, love it), and Crompton did everything he could to win teh ballgame. He made some GREAT throws, the sideline throw, the down the middle to Stocker was perfect, hitting Hardesty, Gerald Jones, etc..

He made one mistake all day, the early INT. Other than that, I saw no real obvious flaws in his game at all. The running game was not there, and Crompton still came thru on big plays and made every right throw.

UT fans, I think you found your QB Saturday.

and god I hate Vern and Gary Danielson.
all Danielson could talk about after the block FG at the end was Cody taking his helmet off. He couldnt mention how GREAT a play Cody made? How great UT played? The defensive intensity?? Its ridiculous, this game will not be defined by Cody taking his helmet off, it was an instant classic, remembered for SEC rivarly at its finest, two teams with the utmost respect for each other, and the inate desire to bring violence to the other.

Just another great game in the long line of SEC great games, and great games in the UT/UA series.

Roll Tide!

He's played very well for the last 10 quarters. Its quite the accomplishment from the way he had played the last year and half or so. If he can keep it up, I think we get in a very nice bowl game.

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Originally Posted by 1inStripes

He's played very well for the last 10 quarters. Its quite the accomplishment from the way he had played the last year and half or so. If he can keep it up, I think we get in a very nice bowl game.

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Stripes is right. For the last 2 1/2 games he's been very good. I think he put up more yards against Bama than anyone else has this year. When they do the things he's good at, he can get the job done. I'd like to have the UCLA and Auburn games back with the way he's playing now.

Biggin', you'll be happy to know that I'm hearing that Jeff Luc might be commiting to UT this week. :)

Bama's been out on him.

I still think he stays in state, UF is what id guess right now, but from all he's said, UT is solid at #2 now. he had his visit out west, never can count them out either.

Id still say hes an in state guy right now, but its not by much anymore.
the darkhorse is FSU here.
if they can win the rest of their games and look impressive, they can get right back in.

you guys are bout convinced tho, i noticed that.


wonder if kiffin will fly out in a helicopter again?

maybe itll work this time lol

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Originally Posted by Ironlung

I'd like to have the UCLA and Auburn games back with the way he's playing now.

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Crompton started playing the way he is now against Auburn...his receivers were god awful in that game..
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Yeah, I now think Kiffin is not gonna hold back and let Crompton make plays. He is at his best also when he is in the 2 minute IMO. He has played well the last couple of games and is pretty close to the top of the SEC in TD passes.

The UA/UT game was a classic and I agree with all you said Biggin. Vern and Danielson are dreadful and make my ears bleed. I have never liked listening to them, just too bad John Ward isn't calling the shots because no matter who was on the TV I would just mute it and turn on the radio.

The whole Cody taking his helmet off is crazy, I know it was technically a penalty but no reason to dwell on that, he made a great play.

And as far as Luc, just about everything I have seen "recently" has him leaving the state of Florida and coming up I-75 to Knoxville, at least I hope. Did he actually take his visit to Southern Cal this week, I know it was up in the air on whether he was going or not.

And also, how great would it be to steal Elam away from the Gators as well. I really don't know if that is gonna happen but I will never count out this staff and their relentless recruiting efforts.

He started the 1st half out terrible in that game. Thats why I said 10 quarters, because around halftime is where it started to click.

His receivers started terrible...Crompton didn't look bad at all..all game. His receivers had 4 drops in the first half. I don't care who ya are, as a QB you're not gonna look good when that happens.

The first quarter he couldn't even get it close enough for them to drop, it was terrible. I have saw QBs you coached look better than that. Your right in the drops but that was late in the 2nd quarter where 3 drops came almost consectively.

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Originally Posted by 1inStripes

I have saw QBs you coached look better than that.

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I coached a couple of pretty good QBs...what you talkin' bout?..haha Those drops were early 2nd tho...courtesy of Mr. Han****

Yeah, Luc made the trip out West for the Oregon State/USC game.

the UT boards are thinkin he commits mid-November, he wants to be an early enrollee.

I still think its UF, but UT is right behind.

I've read from people in SOFLA that he's already commited to UT. He's supposed to be trying to get his parents to come this week before he announces officially. Mike Farrell and Jamie Newberg from Rivals both are saying now that he's probably going to end up at UT.

he has an uncle in knoxville, right?

i would have never thought UT was in the picture on him, but now it seems hes already decided.

he still has not taken a visit to UF or FSU, it he takes visits before he commits it could muddle up the process.

itll be a huge deal if UT lands him, but I dont think UT can get Elam.
Elam is UF all the way, I seriously doubt you guys can pry him away.

He has family in Knoxville, but I'm not sure the relation.

As for visits he's made several unofficials to UF and FSU. He said they were so close he didn't need to take an official. He was at the UT/UF game and was in the endzone when Kiffin was leaving the field. He stopped Kiffin at the fence to talk to him while his hostess' were trying to pull him away.

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

I coached a couple of pretty good QBs...what you talkin' bout?..haha Those drops were early 2nd tho...courtesy of Mr. Han****

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Just throwing it out there as a prod.

After everything that Crompton has been through and dealt with, I'm tickled to death to see him playing this well. Also, it's amazing to me that the defense has only allowed their opponent inside the 20 yard line once in the past 8 quarters.

I was shocked to see this morning that the defense has only given up 6 tds this year and 2 of those was after short field offensive turnovers.

Kiffin smh

why?

why come out and add a negative light on the game?
fussing about penalties.
there was what, 1, 2 maybe subjective calls the whole game.
false starts, delay of game, simple stuff

for one, blaming his terrible clock management on being scared to be penalized.
thast the craziest load of **** ive ever heard. does anyone actually believe that?

yeah, he took his helmet off. he thought the ballgame was over, but yeah, its a penalty.
they make that call, what happens?? you give a team ANOTHER chance to win, after getting denied on a fair play, the penalty was not a game altering one.
this was not a pass interference call, or a holding call or something that affected the play.
most UT fans ive read, including on here, agree the penalty shoud not have been called.

Dan Mullen has a much better reason to ***** IMO

they actually said that the call was right, that since bama recoverd the ball that it was not a defenseive penelty (since the game can't end on one) and when he commited the foul it was bamas ball and the time was expired so the call was right...

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Originally Posted by Biggin

for one, blaming his terrible clock management on being scared to be penalized.
thast the craziest load of **** ive ever heard. does anyone actually believe that?

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Actually on this part I do, his explanation on the coaches show and the reason he didn't try to advance the ball up field more was pretty legit. We had already had a few false start penalties, holding, etc and if we would have gotten one trying to go one more play we would have been out of field goal range so yeah, I have to agree with him on this one, smart decision. He said he was gonna take it out of the refs hands and let the players (fg unit) decide it and he was right, except they allowed penetration and the rest is history.

As far as the whole penalty throwing the helmet ordeal, it should not have been called.

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Originally Posted by Biggin

Kiffin smh

why?

why come out and add a negative light on the game?
fussing about penalties.
there was what, 1, 2 maybe subjective calls the whole game.
false starts, delay of game, simple stuff

for one, blaming his terrible clock management on being scared to be penalized.
thast the craziest load of **** ive ever heard. does anyone actually believe that?

yeah, he took his helmet off. he thought the ballgame was over, but yeah, its a penalty.
they make that call, what happens?? you give a team ANOTHER chance to win, after getting denied on a fair play, the penalty was not a game altering one.
this was not a pass interference call, or a holding call or something that affected the play.
most UT fans ive read, including on here, agree the penalty shoud not have been called.

Dan Mullen has a much better reason to ***** IMO

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Cuz Kiffin is a whiney lil biotch...that's why.

the no call was the correct call though at the end of the game

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Originally Posted by UTVols2

Actually on this part I do, his explanation on the coaches show and the reason he didn't try to advance the ball up field more was pretty legit. We had already had a few false start penalties, holding, etc and if we would have gotten one trying to go one more play we would have been out of field goal range so yeah, I have to agree with him on this one, smart decision. He said he was gonna take it out of the refs hands and let the players (fg unit) decide it and he was right, except they allowed penetration and the rest is history.

As far as the whole penalty throwing the helmet ordeal, it should not have been called.

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from what was said, it sure sounded like to me he was saying he was afriad the refs were gonna make up a call to set UT back

if he was afraid his players would screw up, thats different
but he made it seem like he was afraid the refs would screw UT outta yards

The helmet thing wasn't that big of a deal to me. He made a play and he thought the game was over. Which in reality it was. But I don't like the 9 flags for UT vs. 1 flag for Bama. Early in the game when Crompton was sacked to kill our first drive the Bama defender was clearly offsides. Also there were several no calls on returns that I seen. I know it goes both ways. I am sure there were some no calls that worked in UT's favor. I don't know if anything is intentional or not. But the difference speaks for itself. We had two separate drives killed by penalties. Which I believe cost us the game....

But either way UT had a chance to win on the last play and didn?t get it done. It stings a little. But that is part of it. You have to move on?.

The thing I believe that makes this easier to get over is the way this group is playing and the level of play the coaches are getting out of these kids. I think most everyone would agree we probably have less overall talent at UT than about any time I can remember in the last 20 years. Yet we have the #1 team in the country beat if we can hit a 43 yard FG. We flat out dominated the 2nd half. Even though we obviously had less depth. Then you look at the recruiting class that we are putting together. You look at this staff?s track record recruiting. Then you see the play on the field and start to think what that will look like when we have three or four top 5 classes?..

It is pretty positive?. But this game hurts either way. It is one that would have went down as one of the biggest wins in the history of UT football. And to think you missed out of that by a 43 yard FG is hard to get over?..

The offsides was close, it could have went either way, he may have started early Ill give you that

You say you saw no-calls on the UT returns, I saw an obvious hold on UT on one of them, its good the refs arent fans.

on the 9 flags to 1, how many of those were false starts/delay of game-type calls? Calls that were not objectionable.


and for the record, Kiffin is stupid. If the helmet call was made, for one it would have been wrong, seeing as how its a dead ball foul and there was no time left, AND UT would not have the ball!!! Alabama recovered the kick, so Alabama would have had the ball and been penalized 15 yards. Its obvious kiffin has no idea what he is talking about.

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Originally Posted by DJP

they actually said that the call was right, that since bama recoverd the ball that it was not a defenseive penelty (since the game can't end on one) and when he commited the foul it was bamas ball and the time was expired so the call was right...

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Originally Posted by Biggin

The offsides was close, it could have went either way, he may have started early Ill give you that

You say you saw no-calls on the UT returns, I saw an obvious hold on UT on one of them, its good the refs arent fans.

on the 9 flags to 1, how many of those were false starts/delay of game-type calls? Calls that were not objectionable.


and for the record, Kiffin is stupid. If the helmet call was made, for one it would have been wrong, seeing as how its a dead ball foul and there was no time left, AND UT would not have the ball!!! Alabama recovered the kick, so Alabama would have had the ball and been penalized 15 yards. Its obvious kiffin has no idea what he is talking about.

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Like I said I am not really upset about the helmet deal. But what is stupid is the rule. Not Kiffin....

If a player takes his helmet off in the middle of a play while the ball is still live. It should not be a dead ball foul. The NFL has it right. What if the guy threw his helmet in the air and blocked the field goal? I mean the rule makes no sense. But Bama deserved to win they made the play when they had to make it. Don't get me wrong. I am not making any excuses , we lost. But I do think the officiating needs to be looked at because it hasn't been good.... And 9 to 1 ,like I said, speaks for its self....

the rule may be stupid, but the coach who supposedly knows the rules sounds pretty stupid coming out and embarrasing himself.
he said that UT would have gotten the ball back and got to kick again 15 yards closer, which is false.
Alabama would have had the ball, and took a knee. The helmet is moot.

9-1 penalties. Ask yourself, how many of those were on false start calls, delay of game, cut block, etc.? Then look at it like that. If the calls are not objectionable, how are the refs wrong?

I bet 50-60% of most coaches don't know all the rules...... which doesn't make them stupid. I agree Kiffin shouldn't have said it in the media but I can guarantee you not all coaches know every single rule. Kiffin will eventually learn what he can/can't say in the media. He is still a young pup.

Heck Gary Danielson thought he was right and later had to come back and apologize for being wrong about the call.

And to be honest I didn't have a clue as to what the call would have been.

On a different note, the kicker who has committed to UT, Michael Palardy, I sure as hell hope he stays committed and signs in February. His Coach said that at a Florida clinic here recently that he made field goals of 55, 60, 65, and 70. He attempted one from 75 but it hit the crossbar. And these weren't of a block, it was on the grass, live snaps, etc. If true, which I wouldn't know why it isn't, his coach is one of the best kicking coaches in high school football and has produced numerous D1 kicker/punters in his time. The kid is almost 100% on touchbacks this year with most all of those going out of the end zone and he is averaging something insane on punt avg.

If this kid does sign with us he will be doing all 3 kicking duties next year. Can't believe I am actually talking about a kicker as one of our best recruits.

dude I would guarantee 85-95% of the coaches know all the rules.

Kiffin was mad, and upset and spoke without thinking.

He knew the rules, he was Kiffin being Kiffin.

I have the utmost respect for the UT football players after Saturday.
Kiffin? not so much.

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Originally Posted by Biggin

dude I would guarantee 85-95% of the coaches know all the rules.

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That is where we will just have to agree to disagree, that darn rulebook is too darn complex to know ALL the rules. If you gave a quiz to all Div 1 coaches I bet you would be surprised by the outcome. I could be wrong but there is no way they know ALL of them, and I stress ALL.

As far as Kiffin, I love how everybody hates him because I love this guy. With the old staff it had become a bland boring program but now, not so much. He has got more out of Crompton this year than ANYONE would have ever thought. This whole coaching staff has my upmost respect. Could just be the UT Homer coming out in me I don't know.

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He has got more out of Crompton this year than ANYONE would have ever thought.

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Especially with Cutcliffe saying he was uncoachable.

Biggin I would bet UTVols2 is closer than you are on the percentage. All know general rules, but I would be very surprised if many know about details of more uncommonly seen rules.

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Biggin I would bet UTVols2 is closer than you are on the percentage. All know general rules, but I would be very surprised if many know about details of more uncommonly seen rules.

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Agreed. You see too many arguing with officials about calls and disagreeing with stuff that even I know.

i dont mean know all the detailed rules and such, but i would wager he knew that when team A recovers the ball, a dead ball penalty doesnt give it back to the other team.

he was mad and spoke without thinking, UT caught as many breaks as Alabama did Saturday, the late fumble from a guy who had never fumbled before, the no-call on teh PI with Julio in the endzone, etc...

i just feel that taking shots like that, is trying to lessen the win, and the effort put forth by alabama, and UT for that matter.
the game was not decided by the officials, the last play was ruled correctly, it just seems like he was trying to put a negative light on the alabama win IMO

I bet most didnt know that removal of a helmet was a dead ball foul even in a live ball situation, muchless how its administered. Also, the no call in the endzone on the PTI was a good call IMO. The first contact made was by Julio trying to keep Rogan I believe it was from getting to the ball. If Julio trys going up wiht 2 hands, he gets the call, but with intial contact being a stiff arm to the CB, you are never going to get that call.

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the late fumble from a guy who had never fumbled before

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What does that have to do with catching breaks from the refs? It was a fumble and clear recovery.

And speaking of Lane Kiffin and all the publicity he gets........ How many coaches get named in a Lil Wayne video. Go to youtube and type in Lil Wayne - Banned from TV and right around the 1:00 minute mark he says "I talk **** like Lane Kiffin."

Good stuff

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Originally Posted by UTVols2

And speaking of Lane Kiffin and all the publicity he gets........ How many coaches get named in a Lil Wayne video. Go to youtube and type in Lil Wayne - Banned from TV and right around the 1:00 minute mark he says "I talk **** like Lane Kiffin."

Good stuff

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