What is the rule, with loss of down, yards for the penalty, etc?
I'm trying to figure out how to score a play the other night and am not sure I'm right lol
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What is the rule, with loss of down, yards for the penalty, etc?
I'm trying to figure out how to score a play the other night and am not sure I'm right lol
10 yards from the originial line of scrimmage, loss of down, unless of course the QB was more than 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage when he threw the ball, the ball is then placed there.
If he's in his own red zone, is it half the distance?
I know it's a safety if he's in the end zone.
Lets set this straight by NFHS rules.
Intentional grounding is a 5 yard penalty with a loss of down. The penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul (where the passer threw the ball.) If it happened inside the 10 yard line, then it would be half the distance, and if it happened in the end zone, it would be a safety.
That used to be the rule at all levels until the NCAA and NFL decided the QB should be wearing a dress. I still think it should have 5 yards tacked on at the upper levels as well, cuz as it stands it's just spot of the foul and loss of down anywhere except high school. So, really, the QB can do anything he wants to and not be further penalized, because the worst they are gonna do is mark him where he's at. But, IMO high school rules make more sense than NCAA or NFL rules 99% of the time anyways...cuz they are purer and closer to what the rules originally were to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Plus in HS there has to be a receiver in the area of the pass. I think that should be required in the upper levels as well.
Ok here ya go fans. Play situation that actually happened to me this year.
20 sec on the clock with the clock running at the end of the second quarter with the ball on the offense 45 yard line 3rd and 6. Coach for the offense tells the QB to spike the ball to stop the clock. QB lines up in the shotgun and spikes the ball. Whats the call? Officials leave this one alone let the general public have a shot.
Intentional grounding b/c he was already back away from the LOS (read: in the pocket) being in the shotgun.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKCats1
I'm assuming empty backfield here, and thusly there wouldn't be a receiver "in the area" as well.
Had he lined up and spiked the ball from under center (read: not in the pocket), then it's an incompletion.
Just a guess on my part since I'm part of the general public. :D
If they had a tightend, slot or back , I'd think dead ball, 4th down.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKCats1
Thank you...I argue this point every Saturday with the guys I watch college games with..Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
If he's not under center it should either be grounding or a fumble...according to if he actually had his arm in a forward passing motion IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKCats1
It is intentional grounding from the spot of the foul. QB has to be under center in order to spike the football. He can't be in the shotgun.
Intentional grounding is a spot foul, and a Loss of Down. You must be under center to spike the ball.
Also dealing with intentional grounding, in HS there is no pocket rule. So lets say the QB rolls out and is about to go out of bounds and throws it past the LOS up in the stands, It is still intentional grounding, if there is no receiver in the area. In college the QB can throw the ball away past the LOS if he is out of the pocket.
Yep the whole pocket deal is another thing many can't understand.
I hate all the "protect the QB" rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
College is bad for it, but the NFL is absolutely ridiculous about it.