N.C.A.A. Puts Tennessee?s Recruiting Under Scrutiny

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/sp...r=1&ref=sports

The N.C.A.A. is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into the University of Tennessee’s football recruiting practices, according to interviews with several prospects, their family members and high school administrators. A significant part of the investigation is focused on the use of recruiting hostesses who have become folk heroes on Tennessee Internet message boards for their ability to help lure top recruits.

N.C.A.A. officials have visited four prospects and are scheduled to visit two others this week in an investigation covering at least three states. The inquiry is unusual in its scope and its timing. It is rare that the N.C.A.A. looks at this wide a swath of one university’s recruits before the players have signed with a program in February.

Tennessee Athletic Director Mike Hamilton confirmed that an investigation was under way but declined to elaborate.

“Typically, we do not comment on inquires that are in progress,” he said Tuesday night in New York.

Since Tennessee Coach Lane Kiffin took over in December 2008 after being fired as the Oakland Raiders’ coach, the Volunteers have committed at least six secondary N.C.A.A. violations — unintentional violations that provide minimal recruiting or competitive advantage.

Interviews with multiple recruits and their family members revealed that the N.C.A.A. has strong interest in Tennessee’s use of recruiting hostesses, students who are part of a formal group at the university that hosts all manner of prospective students at campus visits, including athletes. It is not clear whether the university sent the hostesses to visit the football players.

In one case, hostesses traveled nearly 200 miles to attend a high school game in South Carolina in which at least three Tennessee recruits were playing.

Marcus Lattimore, a running back who made an unofficial visit to Tennessee but said he would not enroll there, said multiple Tennessee hostesses attended a game at James F. Byrnes High School in Duncan, S.C., in September. He said they brought signs, including one that read, “Come to Tennessee.”

“I haven’t seen no other schools do that,” he said. “It’s crazy.”

The hostesses are considered representatives of the university, which would mean they could not recruit players off campus. Therefore, the visits may be considered violations of N.C.A.A. recruiting rules.

Two of Lattimore’s teammates, Brandon Willis and Corey Miller, have orally committed to Tennessee. Lattimore described the hostesses as “real pretty, real nice and just real cool.” He said he thought they had “a lot” of influence in Miller’s and Willis’s commitments to Tennessee.

Because of their influence on recruits, the recruiting hostesses have become popular with Tennessee fans. Bryce Brown, the country’s top running back recruit last year, who is a freshman at Tennessee, was pictured on a social networking site last year with a hostess. Other Tennessee hostesses have publicly conversed with prospects through Facebook and MySpace.

Some recruits say their influence is significant.

“You don’t want to go to a college where they ain’t pretty,” Lattimore said.

Gary Willis, the father of Brandon Willis, said in a telephone interview Tuesday night that the N.C.A.A. had interviewed his son about the girls’ trip to the game. He said the girls met his son at Tennessee’s football camp last summer and told them that they would attend a game at Byrnes High, which generally has one of the best teams in the country.

Gary Willis said that the trip was not orchestrated by Tennessee’s coaches or staff.

“It was nothing planned on no one’s part,” he said of the girls’ visit.

Despite Willis’s statement that the move was not orchestrated by the university, the hostesses’ driving that far to attend a high school game and hold up signs would be considered highly unusual. Christian Jones, an outside linebacker at Lake Howell High School in Winter Park, Fla., made an official visit to Tennessee in October and said Volunteers hostesses told him they wanted to attend one of his games.

That did not happen, but he said he occasionally exchanged text messages with them.

“That’s real exciting, getting people like that wanting to support you,” Jones said Tuesday night in a telephone interview.

The N.C.A.A. visited the home of Chris Dunkley, an uncommitted receiver prospect who attends Pahokee (Fla.) High School, on Tuesday night. Dunkley confirmed the visit by the N.C.A.A. but said in a phone interview that he did not want to say more.

The N.C.A.A. is also scheduled to visit North Miami High School to talk with Ted Meline, who committed to Tennessee. North Miami Athletic Director Hector Gray confirmed the N.C.A.A.’s visit but said he knew nothing else about it.

On Thursday, the N.C.A.A. will visit the high school of JaWuan James, who has orally committed to Tennessee. He attends North Gwinnett High in Georgia.

James’s mother, Nichelle Mickens, said the visit regarded Tennessee’s hostesses.

“It’s not about the coaches,” she said. “It’s about some of the attendees of the university. It has to do with the hostesses on these visits. That’s as much as I know.”

Rick Evrard, a former N.C.A.A. investigator and a partner in Bond, Schoeneck & King, a law firm that specializes in helping colleges deal with N.C.A.A. issues, said he could not comment specifically on the Tennessee case. He did say, generally, it was not common for the N.C.A.A. to interview recruits interested in a particular university or to ask them about a particular program.

Kiffin’s numerous secondary N.C.A.A. violations could be a factor or might have prompted the investigation.

“Secondaries mean something to the N.C.A.A.,” Evrard said in a telephone interview. “It’s very telling if an institution continues to report secondaries particularly if they’re in the same category. If you keep doing the same thing over and over and keep reporting it, that would trigger the N.C.A.A.’s enforcement staff to possibly go in and look at some of that activity.”

Interesting to see what the deal is here. Rick Evrad must not know too much about secondary violations and how the NCAA feels since 6 is considered pretty low compared to quite a few schools.

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I dunno a whole lot about it, it was just published today and I heard about it on Sportscenter and found the article earlier.

The six secondary violations dont mean anything by themselves, but knowing how the NCAA works, they could use it as a continuing disregard for policy. They seem to like to pick on some schools, yet let the others get off scot free.

They have interviewed Lattimore, Dunkley and Meline about this. I highly doubt UT is sending young girls into Pahokee for recruiting purposes. If so, those gals have bigger cajones than I do. I sure wouldn't roll into the Muck alone. Lattimore is also one of the recruits who rolled Toomers Corner in part of Auburns recent secondary violation.

haha well Dunkley didnt end up in Pahokee until this year, maybe they were gonna go but changed their minds when he transfered down there.

SI had a really good article about the Muck Bowl a couple weeks ago

Yes they did. Oddly enough that was the week NuKeese decided to go Jesse James on some young punks in Knoxville that the Muck Bowl was being played.

Sounds sort of like the hostesses were taking it upon themselves to try and get the recruits to come to UT.

I do know that Emory & Henry had some nice hostesses and one girl that wasn't a regular hostess but friends with a couple of them that made the recruiting visit right pleasant.....wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more!

Commitment's father says UT did no wrong

Charles Miller watched the news coverage all day.

Countless times he saw the national media report on the NCAA's investigation on Tennessee hostesses traveling to Duncan, S.C., to see his son, Corey Miller, and fellow defensive end prospect Brandon Willis.

Charles Miller was ready Wednesday to clear the air. First, he stated the obvious: young men like young girls.

As for the implication that UT's football program sent the hostesses to Byrnes High School as recruiters, Miller said nothing could be farther from the truth.

"Nobody put these girls on these boys," Miller said. "It wasn't like they came to our boys. Our boys started talking to them."

The initial conversations between UT hostesses and two highly rated prospects began in Knoxville, Miller said, when his son and Willis visited UT's campus in June.

"They became friends," the elder Miller said.

Perhaps more. Miller said he's not sure if his son is dating one of the unnamed hostesses in question, but said the two have kept in contact.

"I know they talk an awful lot," Miller said. "I don't know if he calls it dating or not. I don't think there's anything wrong."

Miller said he was nearby when his son invited the hostess to Duncan while on UT's campus.

"They asked them, 'Why don't you come watch us play some Friday?' '' Miller said.

As for the visit, Miller maintained the hostesses came as fans, not UT representatives.

"They didn't wear Tennessee colors," Miller said. "They were dressed very nice, like ladies dress."

Miller said his son and Willis parted ways with the two hostesses after the game. Miller said Byrnes players met for a post-game meal as they usually do.

As for the girls, "I don't know where they went," he said.

Miller also said he never saw the poster the UT hostesses were reported to have carried that read 'Come to Tennessee'. Instead, he saw a poster with Corey Miller and Brandon Willis' name on it.

Miller was befuddled by the fact UT's hostesses must have limited contact with prospects just because they are considered representatives of UT.

"You're going to tell people they can't be friends because of whatever school they go to?" Miller said.

Miller said he believes the girls visited Byrnes High School on Sept. 25, 11 days after his son and Willis committed to UT.

"They already said that's where they were going," Charles Miller said. "So how can that be a violation? It wasn't like those girls came down and all the sudden they changed their mind."

Miller said he has no idea who would have turned UT in, that Byrnes is covered up with college football recruiters most every Friday night during the season.

When asked if UT head coach Lane Kiffin may have been targeted by rival schools for some of his brash, public comments, Miller said, "Let me tell you something. I met Lane Kiffin. Now, everybody has different personalities. Because his personality is different doesn't make him wrong. I like him. I like him a lot. Football is a man's sport. He's a fiery coach and I like that."

Miller said UT was a far different place under former coach Phillip Fulmer.

"When I first came to visit, that was the last place I wanted my son to go," Miller said. "It was so laid back - no fire in the belly. When Lane Kiffin and his crew were there, I noticed a difference right off the bat. He might pop off and say a few things and ruffle a few feathers; I'm cool with that. Some people don't like that."

Miller said he's concerned that the NCAA investigation could prevent his son from enrolling at UT, as he planned to do in January.

"I'm concerned about what you don't know," he said. "We're new at this. We don't know what to expect."

At this time, there's no reason to believe the NCAA would deal out such a harsh penalty. That could largely depend on how involved UT's football program was in their hostesses' road trip.

Miller's desire is clear. He said his 6-foot-4, 225-pound son will honor his UT commitment.

"No deviation in the plan," Charles Miller said.

Willis doesn't seem so sure.

He told PalmettoSports.com on Wednesday that his commitment is "medium."

"I wouldn't say soft, I wouldn't say firm. It's in between," the 6-3, 255-pounder said.

Willis told the South Carolina Web site that he had talked to UT's staff about the NCAA investigation.

"Nothing that happened was inappropriate," he said. "Of course, they are going to investigate because things like that happen. But, the things that happened, none of that was illegal."

Willis said the NCAA investigation won't have an affect on the decision-making process for his college choice.

Willis is rated as the 88th best prospect in the nation by Scout and the 41st best prospect in the nation per Rivals.

Miller ranks 80th and 27th best in the nation, according to Scout and Rivals, respectively.

? 2009, Knoxville News Sentinel Co.

Something Stinks In Pahokee
http://13psi.com/something-stinks-in-pahokee/
New York Times sports reporter Pete Thamel ?broke? the story of the NCAA?s investigation into Tennessee?s football recruiting practices. After inititial investigation into this story, there seems to be a stink arising from little Pahokee, Fla., which drifts over to Gainesville and all the way north to a couple of offices in mid-town Manhattan.

The Players -

Pete Thamel ? College sports reporter for the New York Times
Connor Ennis ? Sports department staff editor, New York Times
Chris Dunkley ? Pahokee football prospect being recruited by Tennessee and Florida
Ariel Alejo - Pahokee principal, Florida Alum, Huge Gators fan
Urban Meyer ? Head coach, University of Florida
Lets start with a flashback to 1998. In the first game of Tennessee?s national championship run, the Vols narrowly defeated the Donovan McNabb led Syracuse Orangemen. A Tennessee loss looked eminent until a fourth down pass interference call allowed the Vols to move within range for a last second field goal for the win. The pass interference call led to a fervent outcry of referee bias by the Syracuse faithful. Conner Enis and Pete Thamel were both Syracuse students and writing for the Syracuse Post Standard and The Daily Orange at the time. Getting Interesting?

Thamel was at the forefront of reports on the recruitment of Bryce Brown, the heralded running back who eventually committed to Tennessee and was seen as a major coup for young head coach Lane Kiffin. It was a surprise when Brown was briefly declared ineligible by the NCAA roughly two weeks before the season began so they could investigate some reports they had gotten. Brown was eventually cleared to play. Pete Thamel has also witten so many gushing stories about the Florida Gators and Tim Tebow that it led one Gators blogger to refer to him as the ?program?s most talented chronicler.? After Thamel?s prediction of a Gator blowout over Tennessee in this year?s contest didn?t come to fruition, he met with Meyer in his campus office the following morning. Here is the resulting article which blamed the lack of a blowout on the Flu and ?Tennessee?s apparent lack of interest in actually winning the game? One thing is clear..Pete Thamel and Urban Meyer have a relationship.

The NYT article states that the NCAA has interviewed a handful of recruits regarding the investigation. The most interesting is Chris Dunkley. While the other players and/or their families were willing to talk about what they discussed with the NCAA and were generally complimentary of Tennesse, Dunkley refused. Dunkley happens to play for Pahokee High School. The same school whose principal, Ariel Alejo, tried to ban Tennessee coaches from recruiting his student-athletes. This was after Tennessee Coach Lane Kiffin made statements to the press that he didn?t trust the way things were done in Pahokee regarding the recruiting process, insinuating that they tried to steer players towards Florida. Of note: Ariel Alejo is a Florida Alum that has a good relationship with Urban Meyer and is known to be a huge Gators? fan.

Urban Meyer. With the verbal jabbing back and forth between Gainesville and Knoxville since Lane Kiffin was hired at Tennessee, it is apparent that the ****y Tennessee coach has gotten under his skin. It is also apparent that the Vols have been raiding the state of Florida of some of its best football prospects which had until lately been almost guaranteed locks for the Gators. Meyer has friends in the administration at Pahokee. He also has a more tight than common relationship with an investigative sports journalist at the New York Times. Motive and Means?

In an ominous sign of things to shortly come, and a possible inside joke between the two, Pete Thamel wrote this of Meyer just a week ago ? ?The most memorable moment from the news conference may have been when Meyer was asked about Tennessee Coach Lane Kiffin?s assertion that Alabama is the better-coached team. Meyer smiled big and said, ?No comment.??

Wow, that might be the worst article ever wrote Bob.

So, its all one huge conspiracy?? Thats ridiculous.

And the other post, how naive is that father? Cmon guys, we all can see right thru that. Whether or not UT broke the rules I dont know, but I seriously doubt UT hostesses would travel to Brynes HS to watch kids they were dating. Thats nuts.

Bob, you dont actually believe that, do you? I never pictured you as the gullible type.

On the Pahokee stuff; Pahokee tried to ban them because Kiffin INSULTED them.
So theres one thing your article got flat out wrong.
Pahokee also had no problems letting the UT staff back after Kiffin apologized.
And for the record, Janoris Jenkins was the first kid to go to UF from Pahokee in a decent while.

So, lets hope your blogger learns how to do research before spewing BS everywhere.

Coming from a Bama fan, that's hilarious....

NCAA Probes Tennessee Hostesses

12/09/2009 1:34 PM ET By Clay Travis

This morning the New York Times reported that the NCAA is investigating Tennessee's recruiting practices. The investigation centers on the Vol hostesses, undergraduate women who host recruits when they visit campus on official visits. Tennessee's hostesses, who are, not surprisingly, attractive coeds, wear an easily identifiable sleeveless white-button down top with orange skirts. Now an NCAA investigation focuses on purported off-campus trips these women may have made to high school football recruits' games and their relationships with those recruits.

At least one hostess is alleged to have driven nearly 200 miles to James F. Byrnes High School in South Carolina and held up a sign encouraging players to join the Vols. Two of Byrnes' standout defensive players, Brandon Willis and Corey Miller, have committed to Tennessee. Both men made their commitment public on September 12 in the wake of a visit to Tennessee's campus for the UCLA football game.

Is the NCAA's review significant or just capturing public attention due to the intersection of a high profile program with attractive women and top recruits? Much of that will depend on if the NCAA can prove two things: 1. that the Tennessee hostesses traveled to the high school game (or games) under the direction of the coaching staff and 2. that the hostesses are considered representatives of the university and that such contact would be improper.

Let's dive in and ask some other interesting questions and observations about this investigation.

1. Every major college football program has a hostess program.

They are always attractive, friendly, and "welcoming." In his book, Meat Market, about Ole Miss's recruiting machine under Ed Orgeron, Bruce Feldman describes the Ole Miss contingent as jaw-droppingly beautiful.

Believe it or not, 17- and-18-year-old old football players like to be around attractive girls when they visit campuses.

I know, shocking.

That's why virtually every school has a similar program.

And Tennessee's hostesses are, wait for it, hourly employees of the UT admissions office. They aren't under the umbrella of the Tennessee athletic department at all. That's a significant fact worth remembering.

2. The New York Times describes UT's hostesses as "folk heroes on message boards."

In their opening paragraph no less.

Writing:
"A significant part of the investigation is focused on the use of recruiting hostesses who have become folk heroes on Tennessee Internet message boards for their ability to help lure top recruits."
Given that I wrote a book about Tennessee athletics and the fan experience, I feel confident in noting what topics occur on UT message boards. And hostess-related threads -- a thread is a topic on a board -- comprise far less than one in every 10,000 posts on these sites.

If this amount of posting makes the UT hostesses, "folk heroes," then I'm Davy Crockett and General Andrew Jackson incarnate.

Let's just call that opening paragraph what it is, a colossal exaggeration that helps make a story sexier.

3. What do I mean by a written record that might illustrate a directive to attend this game?

If a coach or representative of the university, for instance, e-mailed or texted a hostess and specifically instructed them to go on a trip, that would be a written record. Or if, perhaps, the university picked up the tab for gas or lodging for a trip of this nature. Both of these would offer an element that the NCAA desperately needs, tangible proof that the Tennessee staff was involved in orchestrating these trips.

Absent that, it's virtually impossible to prove a major violation. And even it that occurred, it's probably still not a major violation, as I'll discuss below.

4. The article does not say whether or not the hostesses attended the Byrnes high school game before or after the players went public with their commitment, but given that the hostesses probably didn't meet the players until they visited campus, it would appear likely that the September visit happened after the commitment.

Why is this significant?

Because if the players have already publicly committed to the university before the trip occurred, it's hard to argue that the players at Byrnes high school were making their decision based on any hostess trip or any hostess sign at a game.

That's a pretty compelling point that should have been examined in the New York Times article. Not just whether the trip occurred, but whether it had any actual influence.

Here it probably didn't have any impact.

And how about using "nearly 200 miles" as the distance instead of writing, "3 hours in a car." Is it really that surprising that a college student would take a road trip of 3 hours? Especially in the South, for a football game? Is it even that uncommon for someone to drive three hours to watch a sporting event? Nearly 200 miles makes the trip sound much further, especially to east coast readers.

But if you're going to use "nearly 200 miles" as the number, wouldn't it make sense to actually give the correct distance if you're the paper of record. The trip to that high school is actually 178 miles from downtown Knoxville. At least according to a simple search on google maps.

So why not just write the actual distance? It's less words, more precise.

But less exotic.

Bingo.

Putting that monumental 178 mile trip into state of Tennessee context, from Knoxville to Byrnes high school is fewer miles than a trip from Knoxville to Nashville.

Does anyone think that's much of a trip now?

5. Similarly, "an investigation spanning three states" and "wide-ranging investigation" is the kind of charged language used in the article that the facts don't justify.

First of all, Tennessee has received no notice of investigation. So it's not actually an investigation. A hugely significant detail.

Furthermore, isn't it kind of significant that the "investigation" spans three states because that's where the players are from? Or does the "investigation" literally span the entire state involving governors, state legislatures and water rights?

Also, the opening sentence says the story is "wide-ranging" yet the story focuses on hostesses traveling to high school football games. Is that really that wide-ranging of a investigation? Wouldn't that, in fact, be a really narrow investigation?

That's leaving aside the fact that, you know, it's not actually an investigation because the NCAA gives notice to the university if they are conducting an investigation and they haven't notified Tennessee of anything.

Read this opening sentence: "The N.C.A.A. is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into the University of Tennessee's football recruiting practices, according to interviews with several prospects, their family members and high school administrators."

Now read this one: "The NCAA is conducting a review to determine whether Tennessee Volunteer hostesses attended the high school football games of top prospects, and if they did, whether coaches had any knowledge of these trips."

Which is more salacious of a lead?

Which is more accurate?

Look, I like the New York Times. I'm probably their only subscriber 30 or under in the entire city of Nashville who has been a subscriber for five or more years, but, come on, these facts are all played up to make this story look much more significant than it actually is.

6. Where did the New York Times initial tip come from?

The NCAA does not comment on ongoing investigations. Nor does Tennessee. In fact, Tennessee knew nothing of this review, until they were contacted last night by the newspaper.

That makes it seem likely that this story was the result of a tip from a rival program. Why would a rival program tip off Lane Kiffin and Tennessee?

Because we're in the midst of a huge recruiting period and Tennessee is a hot program, with Rivals' overall number 5 ranking in the country.

All's fair in love, football, and recruiting.

In stories such as these, I always think one of the most interesting angles that doesn't get reported is how the reporter ends up with the story. Because, to me, that tells as much as the story itself. If we want to play the inference game, the same writers quoted Steve Spurrier yesterday talking about the Heisman Trophy. Would it be a surprise if Spurrier was aware of what went on in South Carolina high school games?

Especially when he's competing for recruits with Kiffin and has already had several public dust-ups with Kiffin over recruiting?

To me, that's a more interesting story than the one the New York Times wrote. That is, who stands to gain from this story being written?

7. It's important to note that Lane Kiffin didn't install the hostess program.

Nor does he have a say in the selection of hostesses each year. The Vol hostesses -- there are around 50 -- go through an interview process and are selected independently from the football program. In fact, as I stated earlier, they are hourly employees of the UT admissions office, the same place that gives other students tours of campus.

What's more, at least half of these girls were hostesses under the prior Phil Fulmer regime. So any suggestion that Kiffin has somehow remade the group is fundamentally inaccurate.

The Vol hostesses existed long before Lane Kiffin arrived and will exist long after he leaves.

8. Does this investigation have anything to do with Lane Kiffin's six secondary violations in the field of recruiting?

Probably.

It's also no doubt related to Lane Kiffin's public boasting that his recruiting is going to be topnotch. Kiffin hasn't made many friends during his time at Tennessee, but he has brought in top players who respect his bravura.

Evidently the NCAA doesn't respect this boasting.

In fact, one could even wonder if the NCAA helped leak this story because they can't prove anything untoward happened in this case, but they want to give Kiffin a public rapping on the knuckles.

Put another way, is this story news if Phil Fulmer is still coach?

9. Do Vol hostesses even know the specific NCAA rules?

Absolutely not.

No Vol hostess has ever seen an NCAA rulebook, and they don't receive specific training in NCAA rules. Again, they are hourly admissions office employees. Most of the training they do receive about hostessing concerns how to treat family members and what the game day protocol is for recruiting visits; all of those things that they regularly deal with on a day-to-day basis.

None of it deals with obscure NCAA bylaws.

Keep in mind that these girls are just students on campus. They have as much knowledge as your average student would of the NCAA rules, potentially less.

10. Individual Vol hostesses are being named all over the Internet even if they did nothing wrong.

Which is a reflection of the Internet age, but is also incredibly tough for them. Imagine if you'd taken an hourly job on campus and then the top 10 results for your name on Google involved NCAA violations and words like "scandal."

Wouldn't you be incredibly worried about your future career prospects?

Then take that to another level and say you weren't able to tell your story publicly because you enjoyed being a hostess and knew if you spoke publicly you'd lose that position forever.

Wouldn't that be pretty rough to take for something you did as an hourly employee?

11. Again, let's reiterate, the bottom line here: An NCAA investigation is focusing on what admissions office hourly employee students did or didn't do.

That's an incredibly broad scope that raises all sorts of interesting questions.

Can hostesses on any campus have a private life if they host recruits? Are their text messages subject to review, their Facebook wall postings, their phone records? Can they take a trip on their own without the NCAA asking where they went or who they saw?

Do these girls even have the right, according to the NCAA rules, to choose who they enter into relationships with?

Maybe not.

Keep in mind that these recruiting visits only last a weekend. So based on, what, 36 hours, at most, of interaction with recruits, these girls give away all their privacy rights on every campus?

Shouldn't the NCAA pouring over the records of admissions hourly office employees who spend a limited amount of time with other potential students be a bit ominous to all of us?

Where do we draw the line?

12. Finally, even if Tennessee's coaching staff was involved in encouraging these girls to go to games, is it a significant violation?

Probably not. Because even if they had tangible proof that UT had encouraged these girls to take that trip, we'd still have to determine whether or not these hostesses are full-fledged university representatives.

And I think that's why the story is out there now. Because the negative publicity associated with this story in a time of recruiting is more valuable than any penalty the NCAA could actually levy.

In fact, per Tennessee, they haven't even received a word of any NCAA inquiry or or investigation, something they always receive when these inquiries or investigations take place.

Lane Kiffin's reaped a whirlwind of positive value from his high recruiting profile, now the NCAA is enacting their revenge.

Even if that revenge, and the story behind it, isn't very legitimate.

Wow that's a long read. A good on tho. Somebody please start a hostess pic thread. I want to see these girls.

Clemson University, what a bunch a *****s, just mad because they couldn't get in with Miller or Willis.

Office of Undergraduate Admissions: Orange Pride

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What's so hilarious?

Grasping for straws, trying to discredit New York Times journalists?

That is pretty funny, I totally agree.

Yeah, two people went to Syracuse, and now hold a grudge and are trying to 'get revenge' because of a couple blown PI calls in 1998? That's ridiculous, the most absurd thing I've ever read.

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Theys a couple of thick one in the 4th row left side. WTF is up with he dudes? Be cool to get to help recruit the Lady Vols.

I wouldn't count on UT getting a bunch of the South Florida kids this year that was mostly Gran's work.

Photo proves Tennessee Vols recruits had contact with hostesses - Andy Staples - SI.com

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Who tha hell goes to a HS football game dressed like that?...that's hilarious.. Probation would fit Lane Kiffin well though.

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Who tha hell goes to a HS football game dressed like that?...that's hilarious.. Probation would fit Lane Kiffin well though.

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Have you been to a high school game outside of Appy in the past 10 years???? Hell the girls still in school dress like that. I guess it's of no significance that the girls went to the game after they had both allready committed to UT, 2 weeks after for Willis and 2 months after for Miller. It is beyond the realm of reason the girls (or at least one of them) actually like the boy/boys and was persuing a relationship.

Secondary violation at most IMO

Clemson must be really ****ed they didn't get these two

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Have you been to a high school game outside of Appy in the past 10 years???? Hell the girls still in school dress like that. I guess it's of no significance that the girls went to the game after they had both allready committed to UT, 2 weeks after for Willis and 2 months after for Miller. It is beyond the realm of reason the girls (or at least one of them) actually like the boy/boys and was persuing a relationship.

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Don't know how you intend to get under my skin when you know nothing about me...but by your comments it's apparent you don't spend much time around high schools or HS games. As an apparent UT fan you can spin it however ya like, but anyone with any taste knows the VOLS SUCK BALLS..

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Don't know how you intend to get under my skin when you know nothing about me...but by your comments it's apparent you don't spend much time around high schools or HS games. As an apparent UT fan you can spin it however ya like, but anyone with any taste knows the VOLS SUCK BALLS..

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"Movie guy voice" In a time of of lame Tennessee Vol scrutiny 2 beast's lock horns. There can be only 1. Anyways they are wearing dresses what is wrong with that?

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Who tha hell goes to a HS football game dressed like that?...that's hilarious.. Probation would fit Lane Kiffin well though.

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Would you like him more if he beat the **** out of his wife?

Come on supr-beast, I know you like to jump in anytime you can when Lane Kiffin's name is mentioned but you know Auburn hasn't kept their noses all that clean now. Trooper Taylor wasn't barred from off campus recruiting last month for an entire month for no reason. For some odd reason though, it didn't make SportsCenter for 14 days straight, WONDER WHY???? Hmmmmmm

Trooper learned all his tricks while at UT. LoL

UT was part of some sketchy recruiting long before CLK.

but like I always say, if ya ain't cheatin' ya ain't tryin'.

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Trooper learned all his tricks while at UT. LoL

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After I typed that I thought someone would say that, lol

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

Don't know how you intend to get under my skin when you know nothing about me...but by your comments it's apparent you don't spend much time around high schools or HS games. As an apparent UT fan you can spin it however ya like, but anyone with any taste knows the VOLS SUCK BALLS..

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Your right having spent the last 20+ years either playing/coaching/scouting/keeping stats etc. I really have no experience to draw from.

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Originally Posted by Ironlung

Would you like him more if he beat the **** out of his wife?

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The guy's private life has nothing to do with it...I just think he does a lousy job of in-game management of a team, makes bad decisions, and is a cry baby on top of that. But, really, a coach's personal life has nothing to do with their ability to coach. The only exception is substance abuse...but outside of that nothing.

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Originally Posted by TheBeast

Your right having spent the last 20+ years either playing/coaching/scouting/keeping stats etc. I really have no experience to draw from.

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Me neither....lol

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

The guy's private life has nothing to do with it...I just think he does a lousy job of in-game management of a team, makes bad decisions, and is a cry baby on top of that. But, really, a coach's personal life has nothing to do with their ability to coach. The only exception is substance abuse...but outside of that nothing.

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The Raiders suck ass, get over it. They sucked before Kiffin, they suck after Kiffin. They just suck.

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Originally Posted by NotSoSilentBob

The Raiders suck ass, get over it. They sucked before Kiffin, they suck after Kiffin. They just suck.

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This statement is true, I am a Raiders fan and they have sucked high tit since 2003.

Never said they didn't suck, just said Lane Kiffin sucks ass as well...y'all can live in denial all ya want, but 3 years from now y'all will see the light too...Kiffin will make Fulmer look like Christ...