Boys Region D Playoffs

Here is how it looks to be shaping up

DI
1. Castlewood
2. Hurley
3. Appalachia
4. St. Paul

Those 4 slots are locked I believe. The only way it would change would be if St. Paul beat Castlewood in the CD Finals tonight and Hurley won the BDD. Then Hurley would move up to the 1 seed. Appalachia can't move up any higher than 3 even if both Hurley and Castlewood lose. St. Paul is in the CD finals, but they can't move up any higher than 4, nor drop any lower.

5. Twin Valley
6. Twin Springs
7. Pound

5-7 will be some sort of variations between Twin Valley, Twin Springs, and Pound. All 3 are playing in the consolation rounds of their tournaments. If all 3 win, then they stay in that order. But if one of them loses, they risk falling to 7. Ex. If Twin Springs loses to Coeburn tonight in the conoslation and Pound wins, then Pound moves up to 6 with TS falling to 7. The same can be said for Twin Valley. TV received more points for the regular season (6.5) than TS and Pound (4) but the point difference between 3rd and 4th in the tourny is enough to bump or drop any of those teams around those slots.

8. Thomas Walker or Rye Cove (I'm not sure who has the tie-breaker. I would assume TW does since they finished ahead of the Cove this season in the district. But the first tie-breaker is head to head and RC beat TW 2 out of 3 this season.

So the matchups would be:
1. Castlewood vs 8. TW/RC
2. Hurley vs 7. Pound
3. Appalachia vs 6. Twin Springs
4. St. Paul vs 5. Twin Valley

DII
1. Gate City
2. Powell Valley
3. Lebanon

Top 3 spots are locked in. Nothing can change with the outcome of tonight's LPD Championship. If PV loses, they still get 27 points which keeps them ahead of Lebanon. GC has the 1 seed locked so a PV win still keeps them 2.

4. Coeburn
5. Haysi
6. Lee High

These spots can change around. Lee High has already finished 3rd in the CMD, giving them 19 points. If both Coeburn and Haysi lose in their consolation games, they would recieve 18 points and vault Lee up to 4th. If all 3 finish 3rd in their tournaments, then they would finish in that order.

7. J.J. Kelly
8. Honaker

It gets just as crazy here. J.J. Kelly is the same boat as Lee High. A JJ Kelly win tonight gives them 19 points, but Lee has the tiebreaker against them with head to head wins. If Coeburn and Haysi were to both lose their consolation games and JJ Kelly wins, then Kelly could bump up to the 5th seed and drop Coeburn and Haysi down. Honaker has thrown a wrench in as well by reaching the BDD finals. If Honaker wins the BDD tournament against Hurley tonight, then they'll reach 18.5 points. The only chance Honaker has of not finishing as the 8th seed would be them winning tonight and having one of the teams ahead of them lose. If all of the 4-8 seeds win tonight, then they are seeded the way they'll be seeded tomorrow. If 1 of them loses, then that team would drop all the way to the 8th seed!

That Coal Classic game between TW and RC may be huge for RC then. Neither stands much of a chance against CW though.

If the second tiebreaker is now winning% against all Region D qualifiers then I'd say Burton boys may get in over RC, TW, Ervinton, and Council.

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Originally Posted by beamer_ball

If the second tiebreaker is now winning% against all Region D qualifiers then I'd say Burton boys may get in over RC, TW, Ervinton, and Council.

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Burton doesn't qualify because they finished last in the district and did not finish 3rd or higher in the LPD Tournament. That's how the rule reads in the Region D Handbook.

Didn't they finish last in the LPD? If so wouldn't they have to had finish 3rd in the tournament to be eligible?

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Originally Posted by red66

Didn't they finish last in the LPD? If so wouldn't they have to had finish 3rd in the tournament to be eligible?

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That's what I just said.

Well if you would have seen we posted that at the exact same time.

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Originally Posted by red66

Well if you would have seen we posted that at the exact same time.

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Sorry, didn't notice that. Thought you were responding to me. I guess Ervinton boys didn't qualify either.

Saturday scores in so far:

Ervinton girls over Coeburn in Cumberland final 66-38.

Kelly boys over Pound in LPD boys consolation 51-37.

Twin Springs boys over Coeburn in CD consolation 53-42 in OT.

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Originally Posted by Sportsman*

Burton doesn't qualify because they finished last in the district and did not finish 3rd or higher in the LPD Tournament. That's how the rule reads in the Region D Handbook.

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My bad, forgot about that, you're right I just read that the other day too, haha.

Per swvasports: Hurley boys over Honaker for the BDD championship, 56-54

So.. Things should look like this.

DI
1. Castlewood
2. Hurley
3. Appalachia
4. St. Paul
5. Twin Springs
6. Twin Valley
7. Pound
8. Rye Cove

5 and 6 may swap. I haven't heard who won between TV and Haysi. If TV beat them in the consolation game, then TV is 5 and TS is 6.

DII
1. Gate City
2. Powell Valley
3. Lebanon
4. Haysi
5. Lee High
6. J.J. Kelly
7. Coeburn
8. Honaker

Those are the rankings assuming Haysi won. If Haysi lost to TV, then they fall to 7 with Lee being 4, Kelly 5, and Coeburn 6.

Haysi won by about 20.

So the brackets should be set:

DI
#8 Rye Cove @ #1 Castlewood
#5 Twin Springs @ #4 St. Paul

#7 Pound @ #2 Hurley
#6 Twin Valley @ #3 Appalachia

DII
#8 Honaker @ #1 Gate city
#5 Lee High @ #4 Haysi

#7 Coeburn @ #2 Powell Valley
#6 J.J Kelly @ #3 Lebanon

Poor Pound, they make the playoffs but they have to take a trip to scenic Hurley.

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Originally Posted by Fifty_One

Poor Pound, they make the playoffs but they have to take a trip to scenic Hurley.

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They've already made that trip once this year.

wouldn't be surprised if they come away with a win

Pound has a shot at Hurley. Probably the best draw they could have got. Glad that PV/JJK avoided each other, I'd like to see the LPD perform well against the other leagues. I think this year proves that it is impossible for a D2 school to get the 1 seed from the LPD, I mean we went 21-2, beat Appalachia ranked top ten in the state twice, beat the BDD champ by 20 ish, and beat GC. Meanwhile, GC gets the 1 seed and an easier path to the state tournament just because they are close to TN and play TN schools in non league games.

GC only played 3 scheduled games that were against TN schools, South (2) and DB (1). The other 2 TN schools they played were because of Arbys seeding, Chatt. Brainerd and Cherokee. If you think we played South/DB because they were close then you are wrong. We could have played Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Hurley, or Twin Springs for some wins. Our Record would have looked really good. Know any other team that had OOC games like that?

I personally would rather play South or DB. Heck we lost all 3 but I also think it helps you even if you lose. So I suppose you should penalize a school for playing a tough OOC schedule and not playing a 3 win team and win by 40.....:2thumbsup:

Plus we beat PV, Kelly, Lebanon 3 times.....

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Originally Posted by 7teen

So the brackets should be set:

DI
#8 Rye Cove @ #1 Castlewood
#5 Twin Springs @ #4 St. Paul

#7 Pound @ #2 Hurley
#6 Twin Valley @ #3 Appalachia

DII
#8 Honaker @ #1 Gate city
#5 Lee High @ #4 Haysi

#7 Coeburn @ #2 Powell Valley
#6 J.J Kelly @ #3 Lebanon

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I think Coeburn is #5, Lee High is #6, and JJ Kelly is #7.

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Originally Posted by bballgal42

I think Coeburn is #5, Lee High is #6, and JJ Kelly is #7.

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No, all those are right. Coeburn lost to Twin Springs giving them only 18 points. Kelly won last night, giving them 19. Lee ended with 19 also.

Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by GC-1

GC only played 3 scheduled games that were against TN schools, South (2) and DB (1). The other 2 TN schools they played were because of Arbys seeding, Chatt. Brainerd and Cherokee. If you think we played South/DB because they were close then you are wrong. We could have played Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Hurley, or Twin Springs for some wins. Our Record would have looked really good. Know any other team that had OOC games like that?

I personally would rather play South or DB. Heck we lost all 3 but I also think it helps you even if you lose. So I suppose you should penalize a school for playing a tough OOC schedule and not playing a 3 win team and win by 40.....:2thumbsup:

Plus we beat PV, Kelly, Lebanon 3 times.....

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GC played seven out of state games, you forgetting Letcher GC1? PV played one. PV beat GC, Kelly, Appalachia, and Wolfe County Ky a combined 6 times. Being close to TN benefits them and they took advantage of it, I don't fault GC, I fault they system.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

GC played seven out of state games, you forgetting Letcher GC1? PV played one. PV beat GC, Kelly, Appalachia, and Wolfe County Ky a combined 6 times. Being close to TN benefits them and they took advantage of it, I don't fault GC, I fault they system.

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I think we played only 6 out of state games and no, I didn't forget Letcher who we beat. You mentioned TN teams not KY. OOS games: South (2) DB (1) Letcher (1) Chatt Brainerd (1) Cherokee (1) that comes out to 6.

BTW, good win last night. Listened to it on the radio. Should be a good Region Tourney.

You played 7 out of state games and won 1, you lost to Pulaski and Abingdon as well. Again, I don't fault GC, I fault the system. This might be the only system in the world where if you split with a team and they lose 7 more games while you lose only one (to a team ranked in the top ten) that they out seed you. It's a travesty but so is everything with the VHSL. It will only get worse with the travel budgets being cut in Wise County.

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Originally Posted by GC-1

GC only played 3 scheduled games that were against TN schools, South (2) and DB (1). The other 2 TN schools they played were because of Arbys seeding, Chatt. Brainerd and Cherokee. If you think we played South/DB because they were close then you are wrong. We could have played Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Hurley, or Twin Springs for some wins. Our Record would have looked really good. Know any other team that had OOC games like that?

I personally would rather play South or DB. Heck we lost all 3 but I also think it helps you even if you lose. So I suppose you should penalize a school for playing a tough OOC schedule and not playing a 3 win team and win by 40.....:2thumbsup:

Plus we beat PV, Kelly, Lebanon 3 times.....

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I agree!:flagwaver:

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Originally Posted by pvfan

You played 7 out of state games and won 1, you lost to Pulaski and Abingdon as well. Again, I don't fault GC, I fault the system. This might be the only system in the world where if you split with a team and they lose 7 more games while you lose only one (to a team ranked in the top ten) that they out seed you. It's a travesty but so is everything with the VHSL. It will only get worse with the travel budgets being cut in Wise County.

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We'll just have to agree to disagree then. And in the end it doesn't matter who you play or where you're seeded nor where you're ranked. Nor does it matter if Appy was ranked in the top 10. What matters is where you are when all is said and done. Last year I wondered how Castlewood got the 1 seed, well they showed they deserved it and won the region crown in D-2.

Not really, GC got screwed last year. PV is getting screwed this year. Seeding means a ton, last year GC got bit by the system and it's now our turn. You'd think the principals would get together and put a reliable system in place for the teams.

so PV plays Coeburn @PV on Wednesday, does anyone have a time?

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Originally Posted by volfan

wouldn't be surprised if they come away with a win

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Different sport but the same outcome. I hope the cheerleaders do that same lame ass cheer they tried to do at the football game. I love booing them for that "sportsmanship" they showed as visitors.

I could def. see Pound beating Hurley.

Neither team has any real size, and Pound has gotten great play out of their kids.
They scrap, claw and fight, which is a great attribute to have.

Ive never saw them give up or quit, PV had them down by 10+ points in the first quarter, scored 26 points, on pace to score 104, but Pound fought back, hung tough, and were in the ballgame the rest of the game.

So Pound def. has my respect, and they could beat Hurley

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I wish I would become Hurley's football or basketball coach.
How awesome would be Hurley HC Hearl be? hahaha

Pound and Hurley played twice this year in bball.

Pound won by 8 at home.
Hurley won by about 20 at Hurley.

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Originally Posted by Biggin

so PV plays Coeburn @PV on Wednesday, does anyone have a time?

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All single games (quarterfinals at satellite sites) are supposed to be played at 7:00 p.m. Talked with Barry Reed, Region D Tournament director, and he informed me of this. The Region D handbook states that 6:30 p.m is the start time for first of the two semi-final games.

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Originally Posted by Biggin

Neither team has any real size

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I believe the Waynick kid at Hurley is 6'7" or 6'8". Pretty skinny but tall. Should be a pretty good game.

I didnt remember a big guy that played for Hurley at the UVAW tourney, was he hurt or something?

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Originally Posted by pvfan

You played 7 out of state games and won 1, you lost to Pulaski and Abingdon as well. Again, I don't fault GC, I fault the system. This might be the only system in the world where if you split with a team and they lose 7 more games while you lose only one (to a team ranked in the top ten) that they out seed you. It's a travesty but so is everything with the VHSL. It will only get worse with the travel budgets being cut in Wise County.

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PVfan, since you seem to be the schedule guru for GC could you name the 7 out of state games we played?

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Originally Posted by GC-1

PVfan, since you seem to be the schedule guru for GC could you name the 7 out of state games we played?

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PVFAN has a point.

PV beat Appy twice while AHS only won once.
PV and GC split.

and PV won the rest of their games, while GC lost more than 2 games. I can see the issue.
If GC had beaten PV twice I would have no issue, but the teams split, and both won their conference reg. season and tourney, and the LPD was just as good as the CMD at the top.

im still looking for the 7 out of state games :confused:

It was 6...

Dec. 12 @ Sullivan South (TN) L, 58-62
Dec. 14 @ J.J. Kelly W, 75-48
Dec. 15 @ Dobyns-Bennett (TN) L, 53-88
Dec. 22 Pulaski County L, 56-63
Dec. 26 Brainerd (TN) (Arby’s Classic) L, 56-65
Dec. 28 Cherokee (TN) (Arby’s Classic) L, 52-61
Jan. 2 @ Powell Valley W, 55-49
Jan. 5 Lee High W, 75-52
Jan. 9 Powell Valley L, 39-45
Jan. 16 Letcher County Central (KY) W, 43-38
Jan. 19 @ Lebanon W, 57-56
Jan. 22 @ Lee High W, 53-47
Jan. 23 Abingdon L, 40-43
Jan. 26 Virginia High W, 54-46
Jan. 27 @ J.I. Burton W, 79-32
Feb. 1 John Battle W, 52-40
Feb. 4 @ Virginia High W, 54-50
Feb. 5 Lebanon W, 54-44
Feb. 9 @ John Battle W, 81-47
Feb. 10 J.I. Burton ccd.
Feb. 13 Sullivan South (TN) L, 51-59

I mis-counted they have played six I apologize. GC has played 22 games by my count and 15 of them were regional games. PV played 23 games and 22 of them were regional games. Therefore, PV's regional winning % is 91.3% while GC's is 93.3% not playing the other 7 games really helped. Again, it's not GC's fault it's the systems. Basically, region d values 14-1 over 20-2.