no expansion talk?

really? again? you guys are killing me

the Big Ten supposedly (they're "denying" it) told 4 schools they will extend offers to join their conference

Notre Dame
Rutgers
Nebraska
Missouri

which is weird because that would push their number to 15 and not 16...but I guess they operated as an 11-team league for a long time and like being weird

This means the Big 12 will need to be the first to react...if not they could lose Texas/Texas A&M to the SEC...(maybe Oklahoma?) the only way Texas leaves is if the Big 12 starts to crumble...if Missouri and Nebraska take Big Ten offers and Colorado takes a PAC-10 offer, the Big 12 will need to scramble to add TCU, Utah and one other

PAC-10 will look at adding Boise State and Fresno State, along with Colorado as I mentioned earlier

we talked about it earlier, that the SEC might take Georgia Tech and Clemson...but Georgia Tech is already in a market that the SEC owns and Clemson wouldn't substantially raise the football prowess of the conference, which is what they're looking to do...they could add Texas and Texas A&M and just stop there at 14....what the SEC does will be interesting

I'm really advocating that the ACC take advantage of the opportunity the Big Ten has given them

most speculated that Syracuse and Pitt would be 2 of the teams the Big Ten added, but with Penn State blocking the Pitt bid, and for an unknown reason, they chose Rutgers over Syracuse...this leaves the ACC with a huge opportunity

there is no one the ACC can add to keep up with the Big Ten and SEC in football...that's just the reality of the situation...what they can hope for is that Miami and FSU get back on track and VT and UNC keep trending upward along with solid programs like GT and BC in some years...then a program like Clemson who has had success in the past and might in the future when Swinney is gone

so what the ACC must do is strengthen their bargaining chip, which is and has always been basketball...with new television contract negotiations coming up and a joint ACC/PAC-10 TV Network on the horizon, it would be smart for John Swofford to sell the basketball rights as a package deal with football, so the ACC can continue to play on national television in both sports

there are 5 huge additions left in the Big East for the ACC to scoop up...just select 4 of them and move on

Syracuse
West Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
UConn

all 5 fit the geographic footprint of the ACC and all 5 bring a new untapped market to the conference...not to mention, all 5 are Elite basketball programs

schools like VT, UVa and Maryland might try to block WVU from entering the conference, so it could be Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville and UConn...going the basketball route would also please the Carolina schools, which would be crucial for any additions

the ACC might fall behind in football, but not if you can generate TV contracts...and doing so means playing your hand well

There has been talk of a PAC-10/Big-12 Network alliance as well. This could get really interesting. They say that the reason the Big 10 is looking at Rutgers more than the Cuse is because they control more of the NY fanbase than the Orange do. Sort of surprising, but it makes sense. I would think the SEC will go to 16 once the SuperBig 10 or Big 16 or whatever they will call it, adds their teams. I would tend to believe they will add Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Okie State.

a guy I talked to, whose father used to be the commissioner for the SEC...said there were some within the conference who wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State and......Virginia Tech

I'm not as inclined to think that would actually happen...but there's really no doubting VT has carried the ACC flag in football since their entry in 2004...and if you're going to take any ACC teams, and want to do so for football purposes, there's not too much better you can do

it will be interesting to compare the conference landscape...say, a year from now, as compared to right now...there are a big number of possibilities that could happen...or nothing at all could happen...who knows

The Oklahoma state teams could get caught in quite the pinch if the SEC goes a different route. I dont think they really want to get caught in a lesser conference, and if Texas and Nebraska are gone, thats basically what would happen to the Big 12. It would be a glorified Mountain West or Conference USA. I don't think the Pac-10 would want to reach that far East to pick them up even though it would be a nice addition for them in the pigskin games. Colorado is as far west as they will go I think.

I would be fine with those 4 teams you mention joining the SEC. That would definitely make it interesting every year in these parts whenever the UT/VT matchup came about.

Listening to the rivals network today on sirius xm, there was a report that the SEC had preliminary discussions about expansion with Georgia Tech,Miami, Florida State and believe it or not West Virginia about joining the SEC. This is about to get really interesting.......

I have been hearing Arkansas to the Big 12 and FSU to the SEC for at least a year.

I guess this is assuming a Big 12 team joins the Pac-10 or Big 10.

I would say theres a strong likelihood of Mizzou going to the Big 10 soon no matter what. Colorado is probably going to be the first Pac-10 new affiliate.

Arkansas won't leave the SEC to make less money in the Big 12.

The Pac 10 won't take Boise State (academics, small market) or Fresno State (they bring nothing to the table as the conference already owns California). If they get anyone it'll be Utah and Colorado, though there's an outside chance they'll try to get Texas and aTm. It wouldn't surprise me to see Boise end up in the Big 12, though, if that conference loses several members.

Conferences want to expand into large markets they are not already in in order to increase their exposure/TV contracts. Which is why I can't for the life of me see why people think the SEC would add Clemson and Georgia Tech.

Sure, both would make for easy road trips for current teams--but they're both right in the middle of markets the SEC already dominates. If anything, the SEC will go for Texas and aTm first, and possibly Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I also wouldn't be surprised if the SEC tried to woo VT and UNC (or MAYBE NC State) as it doesn't have members in those states. I seriously doubt WVU gets a look because of the small TV market they bring.

It does make sense for the SEC to go after FSU even though they have UF. Getting FSU would essentially lock up the state and adding Miami would be redundant.

Ok i worked this out the way i think it'll work out. This is just my guess and i guess its pretty far fetched.
Big Ten: Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Missouri, Nebraska, Pittsburgh. (16 Teams)

SEC: Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Texas, Texas A&M. (16 teams)

Big 12: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Utah,, TCU, Houston, UTEP, BYU
(12 Teams)

PAC 10: USC, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Boise State, Colorado (12 Teams.)

ACC: Miami, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Boston College, West Virginia, Syracuse , Louisville, Cincinnati, UCONN, USF(16 Teams)

Big East: No longer a Football Conference


With this the BIG East is wiped out as a football conference. The Big 12 is also weakened a lot. The SEC remains the elite football conference and the ACC would be the elite basketball conference.

hmmmm....SEC might not be able to expand at all

$204 Million: Why Mike Slive Will Have A Hard Time Selling Expansion To The SEC

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Originally Posted by gcdevil22

hmmmm....SEC might not be able to expand at all

$204 Million: Why Mike Slive Will Have A Hard Time Selling Expansion To The SEC

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These bloggers are making a big (and possibly erroneous) assumption that there are no provisions in the SEC's TV contract for renegotiation should membership change.

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Originally Posted by Fifty_One

Ok i worked this out the way i think it'll work out. This is just my guess and i guess its pretty far fetched.
Big Ten: Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Missouri, Nebraska, Pittsburgh. (16 Teams)

SEC: Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Texas, Texas A&M. (16 teams)

Big 12: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Utah,, TCU, Houston, UTEP, BYU
(12 Teams)

PAC 10: USC, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Boise State, Colorado (12 Teams.)

ACC: Miami, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Boston College, West Virginia, Syracuse , Louisville, Cincinnati, UCONN, USF(16 Teams)

Big East: No longer a Football Conference


With this the BIG East is wiped out as a football conference. The Big 12 is also weakened a lot. The SEC remains the elite football conference and the ACC would be the elite basketball conference.

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If I had to guess, this would be very close to what I would suggest.

and drew, ive talked to some guys with intimate knowledge of the SEC TV contract and I have been assured that if the conference expands, the TV deal will be reworked.

If I had to make some minor changes in Hoard's post, I am not sure the PAC-10 takes Boise State, they do not really fit with the PAC-10. Utah, Colorado, maybe Fresno State, but thats a stretch.

Here is how I think it ends up, if they go to 16-team power conf's

Big East-done, no longer a conference.

ACC-loses FSU and GT, gains WVU, Cuse, UConn, Pitt, L'Ville, and USF.

Big 10-Add Missouri, Rutgers, Nebraska, Cincy, and Notre Dame.

Big XII-loses Missouri and Nebraska and Colorado, adds TCU, SMU, Houston.

Pac-10-Add Colorado and Utah.

SEC-Adds Texas, AnM, FSU, and GT. Possibly not go after the ACC and just kill the Big XII by adding OU and OSU. Clemson is the one team I really thought the SEC would go after, but all indications are that the SEC is not gonna go after them hard unless none of the Big XII teams are interested.

Its really all still up in the air, nobody really knows wahts gonna happen. We wont know anything for sure until the Big 10 makes their move.