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ALTEC HIRAGA VOICE OF THE THEATER Speaker 1505B 288C - eBay (item 200481708977 end time Jul-09-10 15:27:37 PDT)
I'm not sure that almost 7 grand is good value here....
Maybe 5000 for the components, if they reach the prices we've all seen lately, driven by the 1505s and throats.
At that price they could be more decor friendly. However, Altec fans may not care if they can have something higher-end.
I sent him a message about his comment deriding GPA's parts as mere "replica's"...
I'm no expert, but i'm not seeing the value here, maybe if the 1505's were earlier and tar filled.
He could have at least validated the 515B's with a couple pics and a sweep performed by one of those world renowned experts he namedropped to ensure they still play within spec.
Based on my records of Altec eBay prices, this is what I come up with.
These are examples of sales from the last year. Prices(first set of numbers) are in US dollars. P=Pair.
I've chosen the good to mint examples to match what he claims.
Obviously condition plays a huge part in driver prices, as does the willingness to ship outside of the US, and the rep of the seller, a couple of those 288C and 515B sales are from a well known seller with a good rep.
1505B w dual throat
1505B P Dual Throat 1225 2009-08
1505B P Good Sgl Throat 1600 2010-02
1505B P Exc Dual Throat 2475 2010-06
288C pair, original diaphragms
288C P Exc 905 2009-05
288C P Exc 920 2009-05
288C P Exc 599 2009-09
288C P Exc 820 2009-12
288C P Good 900 2009-12
288C P Exc Orig Dia 610 2010-01
288C P Exc Orig Dia 980 2010-01
288C P Mint 1035 2010-05
288C P Good 610 2010-05
288C P Good 900 2010-05
515B pair
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1135 2009-09
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1025 2009-11
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1225 2009-11
515B P Good 775 2009-12
515B P Exc 930 2009-12
515B P Exc 910 2010-01
515B P Exc 1100 2010-02
515B P Exc 1150 2010-02
515B P Good 1225 2010-02
515B P Mint 1675 2010-03
515B P Mint 1050 2010-04
515B P Good 810 2010-04
828 Cabs
Well say $250-300
Higara XOs
Lets say they are like a Mastering Lab Xo, therefore about $700-1000
I get a rough total of about US$3900-5800, based on the low and high points.
My spreadsheet covers prices back to 2002, it is scary to see how some drivers have really shot up, namely the 288G, 288C and 515B, plus the 1505B, and others remain flat.
The real money makers are the RWB units, and the 604 originals.
I knew keeping 700+ Altec price records would come in handy one day......
Yes the price seems a bit high.But his prices always have been.He had a pair of empty 825/828 cabs listed for quite some time at $2000 that may explain it some.Also these 1505's have dual throats and 288's
Where's Pano he would know about Hiraga's setup.Hiraga's was single throat/288 I think ?
I've seen pairs of just the dual throats, 30172s, sell for $500.
I agree his prices are high, for eBay anyway. He has a lot of Dolby CP200 gear at the moment, the absolute Rolls Royce of cinema sound processors, even by today's standards, yet they are so complex to install and operate they are often junked. The fact that they were 10-20k new in the 80s is irrelevant.
Hi Guys - I'm in D.C. for work and not looking at the forum much.
Funny to see these. Especially since I actually built the Hiraga A5s way back when. Much of the work was doubling and bracing the walls, tar behind the bass horn flares, new ports, etc. A lot of work, but worth it. Without all that work, it's not really the same speaker. But it does look like the guy has done a pretty good job and at least tried hard.
The horn on the real Hiraga A5 is single throat, with the Westrex version of the 288. usually a JBL tweeter added for the top end.
They do seem priced high, but take a look at what new high-end speakers cost. What would you get for the same money? Nothing nearly as good. Yeah, we could all put this together for less money (I sure did) but maybe not everyone could. Still pricey, tho.....
Nice to see one's favorite speaker still inspiring others. :D
Can you please post directions on how to research E-bay auction prices? I've never been able to do this after many attempts.
Thx....
Basically I have an excel spreadsheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertbartsch
I search for Altec items that I want to either buy or watch the price of, then add them to my watched items, then once the item ends, put the item(read Altec model number), the price, condition and month/year of sale into the spreadsheet, plus I also add in the ending price at the time in Australian Dollars. You must note the end price on buy it now with best offer, not the listed price.
It is a completely manual system, I usually spend 10 mins or so once a week transferring data in from eBay. Some weeks there may be 4 or 5 entries, other weeks there can be 25, depending on what is on sale. I don't watch everything Altec, nowadays the more unusual stuff I record as you dont get many indications on price, but I will only record say a 515B or 604E pair once a month or so, as the price is fairly consistent (750-1000) and there is always at least two pairs up at once.
I have a specific set of grading terms, and usually note original or reconed, frame size for 515s/416 etc etc.
The trick is to settle on a convention for systems, I use horn/hf driver, or LF driver/horn/hf driver just to allow easy searching.
Magnarc, that is an impressive compilation, and confirms that i've steered several fellas into some very good deals on large format Altec gear as neither i or they have or would pay those kinds of prices, great to know some good investments have been made.
I notice that many low priced sales are omitted, do you observe a minimum cut off point?
Thanks for posting.:thankU:
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
No I don't observe a minimum point, just with that list I was matching the mint/excellent examples of drivers to the listing, which has mint/excellent units in the Higara clone there.
I do keep a full record, and it shows that singles always are a better buy, and that prices do fall away if a recone is needed for example.
Well understood, i'm a "bottom feeder" in this realm. I'd love to be able to play with the minty pairs, but that will have to be reserved for another lifetime in a better paying profession.Quote:
I do keep a full record, and it shows that singles always are a better buy, and that prices do fall away if a recone is needed for example.
Your record keeping is valuable and appreciated, keep up the good work.
I don't suppose you've kept track of variable state(tube) Altec amplifiers have you?
That I haven't. This is primarily Altec, with the odd Western Electric bit, esp things like the 555.
This is the full 515 list, note the second price is the AU$ one.
515 P Orig 710 1200 2000-07
515 S Req Recone 899 2009-07
515 P Orig 4250 5090 2009-08
515 P Req Recone 1140 1300 2010-01
515 S Exc 995 1075 2010-04
515 S Good req recone 150 165 2010-05
515 S Exc 2175 2400 2010-05
515 IPC LU-1081 S Good req recone 500 560 2010-01
515 RWB S Good 1450 1600 2009-12
515 RWB P Good 4550 5070 2009-12
515 RWB S Req Recone 780 870 2009-12
515 RWB P Good 960 1030 2010-03
515 RWB P Exc 2000 2200 2010-04
515-8G S Good 120 135 2010-02
515-8G S Good 160 185 2010-02
515-8G P Exc 700 780 2010-02
515-8GHP P Good 295 2009-05
515-8GHP S Good 100 120 2010-01
515-8GHP P Exc 355 385 2010-04
515-8LF P Exc 787 900 2010-05
515/515B Frames Only 500 500 2009-08
515/805/288B/210/N500-D S Exc 4150 4450 2010-04
515B P Mint 950 2005-11
515B P Good req recone 1175 2008-06
515B P Good 810 2009-05
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1135 1250 2009-09
515B S Exc 510 600 2009-09
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1025 1150 2009-11
515B P Mint w Orig Cone 1225 1375 2009-11
515B S 16" Exc 300 350 2009-11
515B P 16" Req VC Orig Cone 750 2009-11
515B P Good 775 860 2009-12
515B P Exc 930 1050 2009-12
515B P Exc 910 1100 2010-01
515B P Exc 1100 1250 2010-02
515B P Exc 1150 1300 2010-02
515B P Good 1225 1390 2010-02
515B S Good 380 430 2010-02
515B P Good 725 820 2010-02
515B P Mint 1675 1825 2010-03
515B P Mint 1050 1155 2010-04
515B S Good req recone 300 320 2010-04
515B S Exc 16" 495 530 2010-04
515B P Good 810 900 2010-04
515B P Exc 16" ?1050 1650 2010-05
515B/1005B/288K/828 P Good 2040 2009-05
515B/1005B/291/828 P Good 2100 2005-10
515B/511B/828 P Restored 2200 2008-04
515B/805B/288C/828/N500F P Exc 3500 3800 2010-04
515B/805B/828 P 1500 3000 2000-10
515C S Exc 455 2009-05
515C P Good 610 2009-05
515C P Mint 1400 1550 2009-09
515C P Mint 1575 1690 2009-09
515C S Exc 610 655 2010-04
515E P Mint 200 225 2009-11
515E P Exc 390 430 2010-02
515E P Exc 500 550 2010-02
515E P Exc 425 450 2010-03
515E P Exc 625 680 2010-03
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