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Goodluck to all those going to the prerelease. I want reports because I won't be able to go to one this time!
No one went?
Did we ever look at M11 cards for the Essentials?
Not yet but we should. Survival shaman anyone?
Linvala seems decent. Shuts off opposing dorks.
Fauna Shaman is solid. More fragile than the enchantment. Doesn't beg for immediate inclusion.
Frost Titan.... sure does suck.
I think Garruk's Packleader is subtly good. Most people aren't going to notice you drawing a card off it every time you cast a creature. Probably not Essentials good, but it looks mighty fine if you're on a budget.
Leyline of Anticipation. Orrery is broken. Every time I play it I am reminded of this fact. A second one that can be played free once in a blue moon, might not be a bad idea.
Primeval Titan is without a doubt the winner in this set. A space needs to be made.
Sun Titan is solid. I wouldn't mind trying to find a spot, but wouldn't be overly upset if I couldn't.
That's it.
Find a spot for PT, consider doing so for Sun Titan and Leyline.
Time Reversal?Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
Didn't you already decry that as highly over-hyped? I assume there was also an implication that it wasn't good enough for inclusion in the Essentials.
Do we run Time Spiral? I think it's arguably better than Memory Jar and certainly better than Magus of the Jar.Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
Yes to Time Spiral. Better than Magus? 5 mana slowness... okay. Fair enough. I'm willing to make such a switch.
If I would have seen this active I would have jumped in earlier. I'm in total agreement with dropping the Magus for Time Reversal. Lately whenever I play, I don't enjoy waiting for the Magus to rid his summoning suck. Everything else, as Aaron stated, I'm in agreement with. My only argument would be that Primeval Titan is too much, but who cares now? The proxy-ness of 5-color is amazing!
Yeppers, paying actual dollars for these cards would make me a bit more wary. Proxies seem to rule though. Just have to look for a good drop for P.Titan.
Up to date list?
Behemoth Sledge
Black Lotus
Bosh, Iron Golem
Chrome Mox
Citanul Flute
Crucible of Worlds
Darksteel Colossus
Etched Oracle
Expedition Map**
Fellwar Stone
Gilded Lotus
Lotus Bloom
Memory Jar
Mind's Eye
Mox Crystal
Mox Diamond
Mox Emerald
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Ruby
Mox Saphire
Nevinyrral's Disk
Panoptic Mirror
Scroll Rack
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Sol Ring
Solemn Simulacrum
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sunforger
Tawnos's Coffin
Umezawa's Jitte
Vedalken Orrery
All is Dust
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre**
Academy Ruins
Adarkar Wastes
Arid Mesa
Badlands
Battlefield Forge
Bayou
Bloodstained Mire
Bojuka Bog**
Brushland
Caves of Kolios
City of Brass
Emeria, the Sky Ruin**
Flagstones of Trokair
Flooded Strand
Forest
Grand Coliseum
Island
Karakas
Karpulsan Forest
Kor Haven
Krosan Verge
Lavaclaw Reaches
Library of Alexandria
Llanowar Reborn
Llanowar Wastes
Marsh Flats
Maze of Ith
Misty Rainforest
Mountain
Murmuring Bosk
Nimbus Maze
Plains
Plateau
Polluted Delta
Reflecting Pool
Savannah
Scalding Tarn
Scrubland
Shivan Reef
Stomping Ground
Strip Mine
Sulfurous Springs
Swamp
Taiga
Terramorphic Expanse
Tolaria West
Tropical Island
Tundra
Undergroud River
Underground Sea
Urborg
Verdant Catacombs
Vesuva
Volcanic Island
Volrath's Stronghold
Wasteland
Windswept Heath
Wooded Foothills
Yavimaya Coast
Yavimaya Hollow
Zoetic Cavern
Avatar of Woe
Bane of the Living
Contract from Below
Damnation
Decree of Pain
Demonic Collusion
Demonic Tutor
Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief
Guiltfeeder
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Living Death
Mortivore
Oversold Cemetary
Recurring Nightmare
Sudden Death
Suffer the Past
Tortured Existence
Vampiric Tutor
Yawgmoth's Will
Allied Strategies
Ancestral Recall
Ancestral Vision
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Bribery
Bringer of the Blue Dawn
Compulsion
Cunning Wish
Draining Whelk
Drift of Phantasms
Fabricate
Fact or Fiction
Forbid
Future Sight
Gifts Ungiven
Intuition
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Magus of the Jar
Mystical Teachings
Mystical Tutor
Recurring Insight
Rite of Replication**
Sphinx of Magosi
Stroke of Genius
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Thada Adel, Acquisitor**
Time Spiral
Time Walk
Timetwister
Tinker
Trinket Mage
Willbender
Wonder
Anathemancer**
Brion Strongarm
Conflux
Dauntless Escort**
Doran, the Siege Tower
Eladamri's Call
Fight to the Death
Hellkite Overlord
Hull Breach
Jund Charm
Knight of the Reliquary
Maelstrom Nexus**
Maelstrom Pulse
Meglonoth
Mirari's Wake
Mystic Enforcer
Oros, the Avenger
Pernicious Deed
Prince of Thralls**
Putrefy
Rafiq of the Many**
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Simic Sky Swallower
Sol'kanar the Swamp King
Spiritmonger
Sterling Grove
Teneb, the Harvester
Terminate
Vhati il-Dal
Vindicate
Vulturous Zombie
Wrexial, the Risen Deep
Dead/Gone
Fire/Ice
Acidic Slime
All Suns' Dawn
Birds of Paradise
Chameleon Colossus
Defense of the Heart
Eternal Witness
Genesis
Hermit Druid
Hibernation's End
Joiner Adept
Kodama's Reach
Krosan Tusker
Life from the Loam
Living Wish
Nantuko Vigilante
Nostalgic Dreams
Pattern of Rebirth
Prismatic Omen
Protean Hulk
Raking Canopy
Realms Uncharted
Recollect
Regrowth
Restock
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Scapeshift
Shard Convergence
Silklash Spider
Silvos, Rogue Elemental
Spike Weaver
Survival of the Fittest
Sylvan Library
Sylvan Scrying
Terastodon**
Thornscape Battlemage
Tooth and Nail
Treefolk Harbinger
Wall of Blossoms
Yavimaya Elder
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Anger
Arc-slogger
Burning Wish
Flameblast Dragon
Flametounge Kavu
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs**
Magmaw
Rakavolver
Recoup
Stigma Lasher
Wheel of Fortune
Academy Rector
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Akroma's Vengeance
Balance
Commander Eesha
Crib Swap
Deathless Angel
Decree of Justice
Dismantling Blow
Elspeth, Knight-Errant**
Enlightened Tutor
Eternal Dragon
Exalted Angel
Glory
Hallowed Burial
Indomitable Ancients
Land Tax
Marshal's Anthem**
Martial Coup
Oblation
Orim's Thunder
Path to Exile
Pristine Angel
Reya, Dawnbringer
Rout
Spirit of the Hearth
Stoneforge Mystic**
Stonehewer Giant
Swords to Plowshares
Tithe
Weathered Wayfarer
Wing Shards
Wrath of God
Thank you, but what to the **'s mean?
Does anyone else feel that Elspeth is a bit light in power, for multiplayer, for this deck?
I think that's where I would put Sun Titan
In play, I've found Elspeth to be decent. Her early abilities are innocuous. Very easy to overlook. The ultimate would be amazing to pull. I mostly put her in because Jason has been saying we're undervaluing planewalkers. I wanted to give a couple of the better ones a shot to make sure we haven't been doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
I know I'm going to get reamed for this, but I think Forbid could go. If there were more counters in the deck I see it being good, but only as a one of two hard counters (if you include Draining Whelk) I don't find it to be worth it.
I'm not upset by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmorndorf
Great, she's a Luminescent Angel without the Angel part. Whoop-dee.Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
Better PWs that are not in your deck would be:
Ajani Goldmane
Sorin Markhov
Liliana Frekin' Vess
perhaps Nicol Bolas
Sarkhan Vol
The Kitchen Table #320 ? Planeswalkers and Multiplayer, by Abe Sargent - a Magic: the Gathering Multiplayer article
I swear Lilliana was in there at one point in time, and she's pretty awesome. Target yourself to discard that incarnation or kill her and tutor stuff up. Put her back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
Liliana was in. She just never seemed to be that exciting. I was rarely happy to see her. Maybe I was undervaluing there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmorndorf
I feel that Sarkhan Vol would be the next candidate after Liliana.
You guys decide. Then let me know. I'm too lazy. If no one else responds, Chad you are in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmorndorf
Dear Lord. I'll to some looking into what should be dropped and what not and get back to ya.
Remember, in just a few weeks we are going to start debating the merits of cards like:
Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
Venser, the Sojourner
and more to be revealed over the next few weeks
Wow, Skithiryx is pretty badass.
Or the awesome amazingness of Sunblast Angel
Seems situational. On a regular basis you could likely get a couple things. Will they be good things?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
Are you referring to the same card I am?Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cards...blastAngel.jpg
Agreed, she begs for abuse since it's not a cast ability. It's an Abe 187 special.
Sure am. Seems like I'd be holding that in hand forever waiting to hit a creature of goodness like Akroma the Red. I feel you'd be more likely to take out a couple elves. Sure, you're getting an advantage, but not a big one if the creatures are shit. So, you'd be likely to hold it waiting for the perfect opportunity. In addition, the creature the ability is attached to isn't that impressive. That's without thinking about the indestructibles like DSC. Now, if you have a way to abuse it, that all changes. One Erratic Portal makes this a lot better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbe
It's mass removal that will NEVER hit your creatures. It will take out those creatures around the table that people have been attacking with. Play it, sweep the problems, and you have not hurt your board position one iota, ever. Not, it may not be reliable at taking down every problem - like your DSC or a creature that is in Tawnos's Coffin, or untapped defensive creatures you want to swing through or vigilance creatures - yeah, i get that. But there are so many creatures that aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kerbythepurplecow
This is the sorcery this card remind me of:
http://sales.starcitygames.com/cards...teous_fury.jpg
Note that you don;t gain life, but you do gain a 4/5 flyer - certainly pertinent. It may be outclassed by 5/5's and above, but a 4/5 is no slouch, especially not with mass removal tied around it. Mass removal that does not ever kill your own creatures.
Two more cards tody athat are super hot for multiplayer and in the running are:
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...lui4mal_en.jpg
and
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...bb59v1r_en.jpg
Genesis Wave is awesome!
can you imagine molten psyche in an Underworld Dreams deck?