Happened all this past week I believe.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...bbie-attacked/
Fire at site of future Tenn. mosque troubles city - Yahoo! News
Man charged in racially-charged attack of turban-wearing man | Queen Anne News
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and things like this are probably why people don't. I am not for anyone or against anyone. But there are 2 sides to every argument or story. The Americans aren't wrong all the time and neither are the Muslims. No one is right in this. You have to try to understand both sides and see where they are coming from.
List of Islamic Terror Attacks in America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...inst_Americans
I think what we need to realize is that there are attacks against everyone, some more so than others but no one has gone without being attacked. Muslims get attacked wrongly for just being Muslim and Christians get attacked just for being Christian. Those who don't believe in any religion get attacked also. No one is just letting the other be, lumping all Muslims together is wrong just as lumping all Christians together is wrong just as lumping all non believers ( whatever the politically correct term is) is wrong. There are extremists in every religion and it brings a bad name to that religion. That is wrong...
So what's the other side to the stories I posted?Quote:
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Lol They both are Americans. That slip right there I think reflects a lot of how a lot of people feel, that these Muslims aren't Americans.Quote:
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????? Point of the links, esp. the last one? I was posting recent news stories, not archives, but I could do that too. Get a little Crusades up, possibly a dash of Puritans , and sprinkle some KKK attacks on top.:)Quote:
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A link war would be fun but I really don't have that much time. You completely missed the whole point, which is that everyone has been attacked and there is not just one victim. You go ahead and pick the post apart, doesn't bother me. If you actually knew me then you would know that I am actually one of the most tolerant people. My point is we need peace, peace from ALL. That will most likely never happen and its a sad thing.
I wonder though if I travel to China , am I Chinese? If I move to China, am I American Chinese?
If I move to Africa, am I American African? If I move to Iraq or somewhere in that region, am I American Muslim?
What constitutes being American? Can we not just say American instead of having all of the ethnicities and such in front of American.
I'm not arguing that everyone has been attacked, I'm talking about who's being attacked/targeted now and why. And you can thank religion for that, it's divided more people in this world than any other thing by far.Quote:
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So let's just blame religion for the demise of the world. God forbid we actually blame the people that commit terrorist acts. Not all terrorists are religious. You do know that there are atheist, agnostics, and others (even Buddhists *gasp*) that are terrorists.
Absolutely I am, religion has been the sole purpose of countless lives destroyed. Religion is nothing but a collection of people who share common beliefs, it's created by people, carried on by people. God is God, religion is people, people who come up with ways/rules to practice and worship a particular God. In the very basics of most religions, especially the major ones, that at their very core teach that their religion is the only way, that everyone else is wrong, what do you expect people do with that? Of course I'm not condoning when people do things in the name of a religion, but I can see why they do when you look at that religion and how everyone interprets it in their own way...they just took it in a violent direction. Religion, while most claim are supposed to bring people together, divide people more so than anything else in a more subtle way.
I'm not talking about those who commit a crime and happen to be of a religion, I'm talking about those who do it in the name of that belief. You'd be hard pressed to find atheists, agnostics and Buddhists terrorist that did it because of their belief, very few I would imagine, Christianity and Islam have ruled that.
If you took religion out of the whole world, there would still be terrorists. Then what would be your scapegoat?
Not nearly as much, it's not my scapegoat, it's facts. I welcome you to try to find some other cause that has caused more, as much or even near to what religion has caused in this world.
The Causes of Terrorism
Two Causes of Terrorism
From Amy Zalman, Ph.D.,
All terrorist acts are motivated by two things:
* Social and political injustice: People choose terrorism when they are trying to right what they perceive to be a social or political or historical wrong?when they have been stripped of their land or rights, or denied these.
* The belief that violence or its threat will be effective, and usher in change. Another way of saying this is: the belief that violent means justify the ends. Many terrorists in history said sincerely that they chose violence after long deliberation, because they felt they had no choice.
This explanation of the causes of terrorism may be difficult to swallow. It sounds too simple, or too theoretical. However, if you look at any group that is widely understood as a terrorist group, you will find these two elements are basic to their story.
* Zionists who bombed British targets in 1930s mandate Palestine felt they must do so in order to create a Jewish state.
* The IRA (Irish Republican Army) bombed English targets in the 1980s to make the point that they felt their land was colonized by British imperialists.
* In the 1960s and 1970s, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine felt that armed attacks in Israel were a justifiable response to the usurpation of their land.
* Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on American interests in the 1990s stemmed from his belief that U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia represented an abomination to the kind of Islamic state he believed should exist in the Arabian peninsula.
* Uighur separatists in China today feel that Chinese religious repression (the Uighur Chinese are Muslims) justifies their terrorist tactics.
* In some cases, people choose terrorist tactics based on a cause whose righteousness they believe in to the exclusion of nearly all else. Abortion clinic bombers in the 1990s and groups such as the Animal Liberation Front believe zealously in their causes.
People who choose terrorist tactics are also persuaded that violence, or the threat of violence, is effective.
There is some question about who actually 'chooses' terrorism, and it may be unfair to think of young recruits, such as some suicide bombers today, who are seduced by cult-like methods of indoctrination as completely culpable for their choices.
Asking a Better Question: What Conditions Are Favorable for Terrorism
In fact, the question, "what causes terrorism?" is not quite the right question to be asking, because we will never be able to answer it. We cannot say that the presence of one factor provokes terrorism in the same way that we can say with scientific certainty that certain toxins cause diseases.
If you listen closely to the explanations that are usually given as answers to the question, "What is terrorism?" you will find that they actually answer the question: "What are the conditions in which terrorism is most likely to take place?" Sometimes these conditions have to do with the people who become terrorists (they are described as having certain psychological traits, like 'narcissistic rage') and some conditions have to do with the circumstances they live in (a poor society; a formerly colonized society, for example).
Although many people today believe that that religious fanaticism "causes" terrorism, it isn't true. It may be true that religious fanaticism creates conditions that are favorable for terrorism. But we know that religious zealotry does not 'cause' terrorism because there are many religious fanatics who do not choose terrorism or any form of violence. So there must also be other conditions that in combination provoke some people to see terrorism as an effective way of creating change in their world.
There are two more reasons why asking, "What conditions create a favorable climate for terrorism?" is better than asking about causes The first is, it makes it easy to remember that there are always at least several conditions. Terrorism is a complex phenomenon; it is a specific kind of political violence committed by people who do not have legitimate army at their disposal. A second reason that has been useful for me, as I ask questions about terrorism, is that thinking in terms of 'conditions' helps me remember that people have a choice about whether to use violence.
There is nothing inside any person nor in their circumstances that sends them?like a monopoly piece headed directly to "Go"?directly to terrorism. Instead, there are certain conditions, some of which make violence against civilians seem like a reasonable, and even necessary option. Despite this, and some of the deeply unforgivable circumstances that foster terrorism, people always have the free will to seek another course of action.
Causes of Terrorism -- The Two Causes of Terrorism
Terrorism - Causes of Modern Terrorism
New Statesman - Does religion cause terrorism?
I know that Christian extremists have caused acts of violence just as Islamic extremist have. If Islamic extremist have caused violence that doesn't mean the whole religion of Islam is horrible and believes the same as the extremists, does it? Shouldn't the same apply to Christians?
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I don't think you realize I'm not just talking about terrorism, I'm talking about wars, terrorism, corruption, death and destruction of countless lives. I'm not even talking about today's extremist really, I'm talking about basic concepts of most religions since they were ever invented. Religion is man-made, whether people are accepting to that of not it's undeniable and even though I think God is man-made, I'm just talking about religion. They have been created so people can control others, set their own rules, that's why most religions are the same...as in the basics were borrowed from ones before it, tweaked a bit and passed around, don't you find it a little funny that you can find the biography of jesus passed around many centuries before he was actually here? Or stories like the great flood too? There all too similar, if people weren't so closed minded and in denial, they would see that too and question.
While most religions claim to "bring everyone together" and all that jazz, it promotes division and has always done that, which has caused all of this destruction for thousands of years. You can't claim unity, while claiming that everyone else who doesn't follow it is wrong and evil(along those lines) and expect that not to cause problems.
OK I AM SO SORRY THAT I HAVE EVER REPLIED OR ANSWERED ANY OF YOUR POSTS. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY SO MUCH MORE BRILLIANT THAN THE REST OF US PEONS. IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO SAY IT AND IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER I WILL, EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS THE TRUTH. YOU ARE SO RIGHT IT IS WRONG! EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOUR WORDS OF WISDOM. (just in case please note the sarcasm)
Lol So you had no rebuttal, huh?
How can I have a rebuttal when you are right? There is NOTHING anyone can say to you that you are going to believe and I can about guarantee that if God himself came to your home and showed you proof that you would dispute it. You make it difficult to debate anything because no matter what you are always right and the other person is always wrong no matter what the proof. You never listen to the other side. I could say fish swim in the water and you would debate it and it would end up being a 10 page long thread.
Nope, I just don't get into debates anywhere when I don't know what I'm talking about, have some kind of knowledge about and have researched it a bit - anyone is going to be right when they do that. I don't act like I know everything, not close to it, I just don't put myself in situations that much where I'm arguing something wrong. So no, it's not the "you'll argue anything, wrong or not, no one can argue with you". I just don't make comments/statements or post something I can't back up. That seems to be the consensus by some on here of that's how I do things, but it couldn't be further from the truth. As I've said, facts shut anyone up, yet nothing...
Just so you know there are plenty of things I don't comment on because I may not know the topic. I never profess to be the smartest and most knowledgeable about most topics on here, the topic was religion related to terrorism. I researched it and came up with my post. I will have you know I don't just pull my comments out of my ass just to be typing on here and see my name on a screen. You believe what you will about God and I believe what I will and then see who comes out right at the end.
And no one ever said you didn't do any of those things, no one said that about anyone, just don't say I'm acting like I'm always right when you don't post anything to prove me wrong. Most of what I say on here, can be backed up, I used to spout off when I first got on here and few years ago and looked like a dumbass...of course some still act like I don't know what I'm talking about, but can never post proof as to why that is. I explain everything, and can post facts to back up what I've said here, yet deflected with your sarcastic comment. Oh well. This wasn't even really about "God", it was about religion is very different. But sure we can, even though this wasn't even about that, just gets a little old(not saying this is just you) when the believers on here get cornered, they use that little argument you did.
And btw, I do listen to the other side, doesn't mean the other side is right. Don't forget I was on the other side the most of my life, was very into it and knowledgeable about a lot of "that side", so it's not like I have always been an agnostic and never considered/believed anything else.
You may not have said that very thing but you are always great at implying things and then using a comment like the one above when someone calls you out on it. I could post a million things disputing what you post but you would just dispute those also. I used to be a lot like you, get cocky on the fact that I THOUGHT that I was always right, knew everything, so well rounded, up to date on all the politics and such, that goes away when you find out that a great deal of people know a lot more than you ever thought you did. Those same people bring you down a notch or two. You may not have met them yet but sometime in your life you will.Quote:
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If that's how you want to take it, that i'm implying something, even when I clear it up of whatever comment that was claimed that I said this or that..then it's not my problem then. If I were that wrong, that far off or flat wrong period, it'd be easy to post something to do that, but that doesn't happen and that same excuse is used "well if i did post it, you'd just deny it". I'm not always right, I don't know everything, never claim to be anything close to that and know that there are countless people that know more than I do about things...yet that's cocky? LMAO. I'm knowledgeable on certain things, I usually stick to those topics and check my facts before I do...some of you take that as being a "know it all", I really don't care. As I've said, facts shut anyone up, yet it's the same tired line of "you act like a know it all, no one can argue with you" is played over and over again when you can't prove me wrong on a particular subject.Quote:
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When I say "prove me wrong" or to "post proof/facts", that's not being cocky, that's knowing I've looked it up/knew something about it beforehand/ read a bit on it and then knowing I'm right on THAT PARTICULAR SUBJECT...not some universal knowledge that I know everything. I'm difficult to debate with because I hardly go spouting off on something and know how to debate(i.e. looking at sources, checking facts within the source and then the whole argument all together). Not that I think I'm always right, when it's not putting myself into situations where I would be wrong.
Now I'd like to see this spread more.
Washington (CNN) -- A broad coalition of Christian, Jewish and Islamic leaders denounced what they described as a rising tide of anti-Muslim bigotry across the United States Tuesday, arguing that such sentiments constitute a betrayal of traditional American principles.
"Freedom of religion is a hallmark of this country," said Ingrid Mattson, head of the Islamic Society of North America. It is time to decide "whether we are going to live up to our values."
"America was not built on hatred. America was built on love," said Washington's Cardinal Theodore McCarrick.
The various leaders are among the founders of the newly formed Interfaith Coalition on Mosques. They addressed the controversial issue during a news conference at Washington's National Press Club.
The coalition released a statement decrying a "disturbing rise in discrimination against Muslims" and declaring that the current "level of hostility, fear mongering and hate speech is unacceptable and un-American."
"We believe the best way to uphold America's democratic values is to ensure that Muslims can exercise the same religious freedom enjoyed by everyone in America," the statement read.
Numerous faith leaders in recent weeks have expressed concerns about hate crimes against American Muslims in the runup to this weekend's anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, which coincides with the holiday of Eid-al-Fitr marking the conclusion of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
Attorney General Eric Holder is slated to discuss the concern at a Tuesday afternoon meeting with religious leaders at the Justice Department. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton may weigh in on the debate as well when she joins a Ramadan celebration at the State Department Tuesday night. Clinton is expected to deliver remarks around 8 p.m. ET.
Concern over what some observers have termed "Islamophobia" has been heightened by a Florida church's plan to burn copies of the Quran on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington.
Also stoking the flames of controversy is the continuing bitter debate over a Muslim community center and mosque planned near ground zero in New York.
Opponents of the plan to build the community center say it is too close to the site of the terror attacks and is an affront to the memory of those who died in the al Qaeda strike. Backers cite, among other things, First Amendment rights and the need to express religious tolerance.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the religious leader behind the project -- officially known as Park51 -- has returned to the United States from an outreach trip to the Middle East, according to Daisy Khan, his wife.
He plans to make a public statement about the debate surrounding the project later this week, although the exact timing of his remarks is unclear.
The project is slated to include a variety of facilities, including a prayer room, a performing arts center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces. It is planned for a site two blocks from the World Trade Center.
A source familiar with Park51 told CNN's Allan Chernoff last week that the structure is being planned as an 11-story building. It will cover 120,000 square feet -- 10,000 feet of which would be designated for the Muslim prayer space. The developer is considering the possibility of an interfaith education/meditation/prayer space as well, the source said.
Last week, the Council on American-Islamic Relations launched a series of commercials designed to fight what it called growing Islamophobia. One in the series features a Muslim firefighter who was among the first responders on 9/11.
Opponents of the New York Islamic center are "trying to tell the world and tell Americans that Muslims do not belong here. That Muslims are the others, when we are in fact, all Americans," said Nahad Awad, executive director of the council.
"They're trying to portray Muslims as foreigners. This is a dangerous repeat of history. If it's allowed, it's going to hurt all of us," he said.
In a statement on its website, the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, said it plans to mark the anniversary of the 2001 attacks by burning Qurans this weekend "to warn about the teaching and ideology of Islam, which we do hate as it is hateful."
The pastor of the small church, Terry Jones, has written a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.
The U.S. commander in Afghanistan on Monday criticized the church's plan, warning the demonstration "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.
"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan," Gen. David Petraeus said.
Asked for the president's perspective on the controversy, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday "the best best place to look for the views of this administration is to look at what Gen. Petraeus said."
"We know that this type of activity is being transmitted back to places like Afghanistan," Gibbs said. "It puts our troops at harm's way ... [and] is a concern to this administration."
Jones told CNN's "American Morning" on Tuesday that he is "taking the general's words" seriously. We are "weighing the situation" and are "praying about it," he said.
But it is "very important that America wakes up," he argued. Radical Islam "must be shown a certain amount of force [and] determination."
The planned event has drawn criticism from Muslims in the United States and overseas, with thousands of Indonesians gathering outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, on Sunday to protest the planned Quran burning.
"Those mainly conservative Christians who respond to their Muslim brothers and sisters -- their fellow Americans -- with anti-Muslim bigotry or hatred, they are openly rejecting... the First Amendment principles of religious liberty which we as evangelical Christians benefit daily," said Rev. Richard Cizik, of the New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good, at the National Press Club.
"And to those who would exercise derision ... bigotry [and]open rejection of our fellow Americans for their religious faith -- I say shame on you."
Faith leaders denounce anti-Muslim sentiment - CNN.com
Posted thme in that thread in the non-sports too, but some more examples this past weekend.
Six Christians rip pages from Koran in White House stunt - Yahoo! News
Burned Quran smeared with feces found at East Lansing mosque | detnews.com | The Detroit News
Man ignites Koran near Ground Zero, apparently prompted by Terry Jones; crowd appalled by zealot
I would hate from somebody to list all the bad things that have been done to christian books and people.... O that's right... Christians are evil and are ALWAYS at fault. I forgot. :rolleyes:
I think Bill Maher said the same thing on Jay Leno the other night LOL!! Things like people burning the Bible and burning the American Flag and killing Christians and threatening people over a Koran and burning crosses hardly make the news. But let someone make a cartoon of Muhammed or threaten to burn a Koran and the whole place goes nuts.
Only in a country like the United States can you carry any type of religious book and not be criticized for it. But, go to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Yemen, etc. and get caught carrying a Bible. It is against the law there and you are subject to stiff penalties and even death in some instances. Now, before you go jumping in and saying that the soldiers carry their Bible over there, some do, but it is never in public. Enjoy the freedoms you have as an American, r13, you may learn one day to wish for them and appreciate them. This freedom of speech you so dearly love to express was given to us all by many people before our time. All we are trying to tell you on here is to use a little discretion while using your right.
centennialdawg, I was researching this last night and found numerous websites where it stated that our military overseas were not allowed to carry around the bible in public for the fear of backlash and because those in the Middle East countries would think that we were trying to convert those in the Islamic religion to Christianity. It amazed me......
It may surprise most of you all, but just speaking of The Bible over there can get you in trouble. When I was there, even the chaplains were not allowed to carry one off the compound, and definately were not allowed to wear any christian symbol on them at all. Even the Red Cross was not allowed to display their famour "red cross" on the ambulances. Instead, they used the muslim equivalent "red crescent"
Go ahead, that's twice I've said go for it, I'll stack up the ones on the other side too. This is all recent. But no one ever said any of that, of course they isn't always there fault or anything, but these are and that's what I posted.Quote:
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Yet you somehow know about them, huh? Your examples seem to be in foreign countries, so some probably don't make the news but a lot do and if it happens here, it usually always is on the news nationally and always local.Quote:
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Hell everything I've posted in this thread has not only been here in the US, but happened very recently.
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Or most other countries in the world, which have freedom of religion. If you mean not be criticized by the gov that is, if you're saying that no one will criticize you for carrying something like that here...then that's just wrong. Iran is probably the only one out of those you have a case for if we're talking, Saudi Arabia maybe, but countries like Jordan are the exact opposite - they are pretty big champions of religious freedoms actually and religion plays really no part in their gov. I don't know where you got that one.
Total myth that we're somehow the only country that has freedom of religion or they crackdown on Christians or others everywhere else. Actually I'm pretty sure all or most of those countries you mentioned have a pretty decent christian population and that whole "put to death" thing is total bull. Maybe it's happened before in some place like Iran, but nothing on the scale you're mentioning. Even the fellow muslims that get punished get news and are stopped(i.e. the woman who supposedly committed adultery and got worldwide outcry). All that isn't as widespread as that bull that is passed around over here claim, it's very rare if it does happen and is limited to a handful of usually dictator run countries.
Where did you pull that one out? Who said anything about soldiers doing anything? That doesn't really happen that much either, as it shouldn't, only causes so many more problems. And I haven't said anything outrageous or close to it, funny though how those anti "political correctness" goes out the door when some hear something they don't like.
They aren't allowed to carry religious text in public, not just the Bible. And it's not "fear of backlash", it's because in a foreign country...you can just carry around something like that in the open and have people not assume you're doing some kind of conversion - especially since that's what they are told about why we're fighting. Not to mention there has been some that have tried to do that, the military confiscated a whole shit ton of Bibles that were sent over there to be passed out to the locals - this was in the news not long ago. You shouldn't be too amazed, it does happen and it can very easily be interpreted as that in a foreign country...pretty logical.Quote:
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Where exactly? Doubt it happens that much or at all, so yeah it's surprising, like I've said...limited to maybe countries like Iran. And that last part is just flat out wrong, you do realize what the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is, right? It's just the symbol used in different countries depending on, usually a Red Crescent is used in Islamic countries, the cross in Christian countries, they have the Red Star of David for jewish area's etc. Not because it's banned, but is used by the organization itself wherever it's at.
LOL@you, you have never been there, you don't know. You go only by what you can find on the internet. In the real world, the one that I live in, you go to jail for talking about the Bible and christianity in those countries. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have, to an extent allowed some religious freedom now that the U.S. troops are there. Like I said, you have no idea about this except what you have read. Enough said to you about this subject. That's it. You just don't know.
Yet you can't refute one damn thing I said. You were over there how long ago? Seen what personally? Were arrested for anything? I'm just not going by rumors/myths that are constantly repeated, which with what you posted, is exactly where you got all that shit...maybe you picked it up over there, but it doesn't make it any more true, same bullshit myths passed around. You can try to write it off all you want, but it doesn't make what I said wrong. You get debunked and fall back on that "inexperienced" argument.
Myths? Damn dude, you really do have a warped mind. LOL, you are ignorant if you think what I said is a myth. You don't know, I was there in 1989 and 1990, You need to just grow up and learn about real life and quit living in your fantasy world. You sound so stupid that you can't be for real, you have to be the laughing stock of your family to believe some of the bull you put on here. I am done with you. Just remember, every dog has its day, and it will with you soon. LOL.
Yeah, myth. I know for a fact shit like that doesn't happen in Jordan, I can go look the others up and probably with the exception of maybe Iran and Saudi Araibia, that doesn't happen really that much(it's not common practice, definitely not in Jordan)...well not by the gov., hasn't in many years and is limited to a few places. Then the red-cross shit was obviously a myth or lie one, sorry, didn't happen. Just because you made a trip to the general area, doesn't mean you're not full of shit. You're welcome to debunk anything I've said, if I were wrong, you would have already...but no, "you're done with me" lmao, convenient huh? I knew those two claims were bull right off the bat, but I can back it up.
Jordan is an advocate for religious freedom in the region and the world. Religious officials have no part in the government and are not allowed to interfere in the state's affairs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan
About the crescent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross
Your threats don't scare anyone, some don't know that you act like a little 13 year old girl who have threatened several forum members, just pm'ing me a few weeks ago spouting off that I better watch my back and you were going to beat my ass. You're a joke and just got busted with these ridiculous claims, now you're running. You really are one to talk about "laughing stock", I found that quite hilarious coming from you.
Not ridiculus. You have never been there, I have. You don't know squat about anything. You are a total and undeniable dumb idiot. I get passionate when people like you "tread" on this country like we are always wrong about everything. I have an idea, since you like to defend those countries, why don't you go live there. I have, you haven't, believe me, you will change your mind. Oh, I forgot, you won't because you are too big of a chicken. And for your information, it must have been my daughter who sent that to you, I don't send pm's to threaten, I just go ahead and follow through with my promises. Don't believe me, just ask and don't ask your little peeps, they don't know me.
You could have just moved from there after spending your entire life there, if it didn't happen, it didn't happen. It's not "taking up for them", it's correcting bullshit when I see it. You went with that whole "we're the only country" when that's obviously not true, then saying that the red cross was banned and that Jordan goes by Sharia Law...that wasn't true, I don't care where you visited, it's not true.
And wow, I can't believe you're going to sit here and claim your daughter messaged me and threatened me...that's pretty low. It was you, I can post the messages, the exact same typing style and language you use. You even said "I am too old and too mean to run", among other dead giveaways. What a POS that you would try to claim it was your daughter, you're unbelievable. You sent several messages threatening me posting just like you do on here, now I call you out publicly, someone turns into a little bitch and has the balls to claim it's their daughter. You did it with another poster too, but now lying about this one, pathetic.
Pressure rises on Christians in Jordan, Algeria | Analysis & Opinion |
Pressure rises on Christians in Jordan, Algeria
Feb 22, 2008 10:19 EST
catholic | christian | middle east | muslim | religious freedom
Rising tension between Christians and Muslims in the Arab world have come out in the open with the expulsion of foreign Christian charity workers from Jordan and the conviction of a Catholic priest in Algeria. Although the cases seem different, the background is similar. Evangelical Christians have been increasingly active in the Islamic world, doing charity and development work and also seeking to convert Muslims. The missionary part is usually a crime in Islamic countries and local authorities — rightly or wrongly — often suspect the charity part is a cover for this proselytism. This sets the stage for clashes over religious freedom, national laws, Christianity, Islam and modernity — an increasingly frequent mix in a globalised world. It also has serious effects on the long-established but fragile Christian communities living in those Muslim countries.
In Jordan, Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh said this week that Christians had come to Jordan under the “pretext of charitable and voluntary activities, but they had violated the law by undertaking preaching activities and were expelled”. This followed a long report by Compass Direct News, an agency that focuses on persecution of Christians around the world, that Jordan had “deported or refused residence permits to at least 27 expatriate Christian families and individuals in 2007, a number of them working with local churches or studying at a Christian seminary“.
One report said those involved were from the United States, South Korea, Egypt, Sudan and Iraq. “It is puzzling that certain small groups with a few hundred members and which are foreign to Christians in Jordan and to the history of Muslim-Christian relations, permit themselves to speak in the name of Christians and act as protectors of Christianity as if it were in danger,” it quoted the Council of Churches, the highest Christian body in Jordan, as saying. AsiaNews says: “According to the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan, the group of eight missionaries was distributing Christian material among the Bedouins to the north and east of the capital Amman.”
The Catholic Archbishop of Algiers Henri Teissier told William Maclean, our chief correspondent for North Africa, that increased activity by evangelical Christians in Algeria had caused problems for Catholics. “For the last two years, we have serious difficulties made for us by the Algerian administration every two or three months,” he said this week. “I think it’s due to the fight against the proselytising by evangelical groups … We are not responsible for this evangelism. But the administration continues to take measures against us … (Evangelicals) have arrived in Africa. And the first to have suffered from the actions of these groups are Catholics.”
Teissier was commenting on the case of French priest Pierre Wallez, who was given a suspended one year prison sentence last month for praying with Christians in western Algeria in a place not authorised for religious worship. The Christians were illegal migrants from Cameroon based on the border with Morocco, part of a shifting community of mostly Ghanaian, Nigerian and Cameroonian migrants who have been visited by Roman Catholics priests in the area for years.
Wallez was convicted under a two-year-old law that limits non-Muslim worship to specific buildings approved by the state. The law, which also forbids proselytism, was prompted by what officials have described as an increase in the activities of Christian evangelical groups. Complaints by government officials about the alleged conversion efforts have reached a crescendo in recent weeks.
Algerian observers say conversion among Muslims there is a marginal activity rooted in a mistaken belief among some Algerians that Western countries will more readily issue them visas if they have converted to Christianity.
These tensions have arisen before in different countries around the Muslim world and they’re sure to come up again. Do you think it’s right for Christians to go and break laws in Islamic countries to convert Muslims? Or is the question whether Islamic countries should have laws against conversion and missionary work in the first place?
?pretext of charitable and voluntary activities, but they had violated the law by undertaking preaching activities and were expelled?. Christians aren't banned or anything like that.
I really don't know why I am posting these because they will obviously be "debunked" because they are Christian sites or websites that some do not like but oh well, I'll do it anyway....
Christians beaten, stabbed by Muslims (OneNewsNow.com)
200 Dead in New Nigeria Religious Violence - Hundreds flee villages
South Asia Christian Minority Attacked by Muslim, Hindu Extremists | Christianpost.com
Christian Minister attacked by Muslims - Christian Legal Centre
Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid
christians attacked by muslims - Yahoo! Search Results
I will just put the search topic up cause there are so many to list.... Christians are such horrible people who deserve such acts of violence for burning Korans or believing differently..*rolling eyes*