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They do have a 391xxx number.
Yes they are Cal I don't recall the model though 391204 looks like the number to me.
Buy em Cal
Those are 406-8C woofers in there !
Just the two woofers are worth the asking price IMHO .
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2010/10/66.jpg
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ps; 892a Madera
Looks like an 892 Madera, an 890 Bolero less its passive radiator (PR).
GM
Altec bought that horn from Heppner in Chicago. Heppner was a very good low end product. Those will sound great, won't play super loud. Horns cannot be fixed if yo blow them, but you can buy those horns from other OEMs for 30 a pair and up.
Heppner died when Cerwin Vega absorbed them.
Most of the value is the woofs. But a nice set to listen to acoustic stuff on.
Or rears in a theatre setup?
Who? Where? Are the larger ones still available also?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
TIA,
GM
The Magnavox are often around for 30 and up...just tuned down a set for 20 complete with woofs
I should have said "under other brand names"
They aren't available new anymore. My apologies.
You need a set? the ones I turned down might still be there...
By "larger" you mean the longer version that supposedly was a 600 hz horn?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Magnavox-Metal-H...item4cf28653d0
http://cgi.ebay.com/4-1964-MAGNAVOX-...item255ddbe580
Thanks for the advice gentlemen, I will put in an offer.
I have a pair of the Magnovox horns - think they are really Foster - if you need them. Ask Dave D, he knows this stuff.
Some Magnavox were Jensen, laters were Heppner,
All US made
The Foster came much later
None of the Magnavox were Foster
OK, then there is some disagreement. What I have looks like Heppner but I've been told they are actually Foster made. Came out of a Magnavox console from the 70s.
Whatever they are, they aren't all that great. But they work.
Pictures Gentleman ! For the rest of us that haven't seen them. ;)
Pano, I'm 100% sure your friend is mistaken. I was a Heppner OEM customer.
I am not sure of the origin of the horn itself, it appeared in the 50's. Jensen and Heppner made them, there was an EV which I think was a Heppner OEM.
Gollehon started building high power versions in the early 70's. Foster started building copies, the later Fosters had a curved front. Most Foster OEM stuff is clearly stamped Foster...
Anyway, by all means post pics of yours I'd love to see the numbers on them.
Hard to tell from the picture of it in the baffle, but I suspect I have some version of what is being talked about. Will try to find and then post a pic.
Adding worst pic ever... but perhaps will suffice for now.
These stamped magnavox (see second wost pic ever).
$9.95, at McGee radio, circa 1980.Quote:
Heppner in Chicago.
Heppner was a very good low end product.
Those will sound great, won't play super loud.
sound much better with tube amps.
my pair, have been blown for near 30 years now.
What about Utah?
Did they make their own, or rebrand something from Heppner, Cleveland, Oxford, etc. etc.?
I recognize some internal parts of Utah branded compression tweeter horns as having been cloned by Foster/Fostex, especially the radio shack iterations. I have a pair of very small conical horns that are identical to the ones used in Utah coaxials, these happen to be early radio shack branded, and even tho they use the same phase plug as the later Foster made RS tweets, these clearly say made in USA on the labels.
Here's a pair of Utah branded 2 x 6's with the styrofoam covers commonly found on the Magnavox/Heppner horns. ONE PAIR UTAH HORN TWEETERS - eBay (item 260683329218 end time Nov-01-10 16:50:51 PDT)
Those are Jensen according to the "220xxx" EIA code.Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
Bowtie beat me to the id
I do suspect the Utah were Heppner, but without numbers can't confirm.
Heppner also sold parts, so Utah may have just bought parts.
Radio Shack was a Utah OEM BTW.
Their musical instrument stuff was Utah. At least it was early 70's.
OG, these are the tweeters i was referring to. in the Utah coaxial application they had white foam rings surrounding the horn mouth, not unlike the foam rings on JBL LE series tweeters. Radio shack sold these as raw components once upon a time. Internally, these are extremely similar to the made in Japan(foster i think) 2x6 and 4x10 horns that RS sold just a few years later circa mid 70's.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m.../RStweets2.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m.../RStweets1.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m.../RStweets3.jpg
And a "borrowed" pic of a Utah coaxial.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...onspeaker3.jpg
Bear in mind, the Japanese copied a lot. Ever see a Japanese Les Paul guitar or Strat?
Nah I'm sure nobody has:D
The CTS used in the Santana was widely copied.
At the very end of Trusonic Utah was building their bookshelf speakers. I have a pair...Utah woofer and Fostex tweeter. So at least there was SOME business contact between the two I can document.
The 60's and 70's saw very similar stuff made in both the US and Japan.
Anywhoo, the horns were definitely made first by Jensen and Heppner and later by the Japanese.
The reason I am so sure the Magnavox were never Foster is by the time Foster stuff came in consoles were pretty much vanished from the HiFi scene.
I have seen literally hundreds of those horns, and have never seen a single Magnavox that had any Foster/Fostex markings. Every one was Jensen or Heppner.
I'd really like to see the numbers on Pano's horns. I would be interested if I'm wrong...hey I'd learn something....but to date I have to be on record as no Fostex in Magnavox.
BTW here is something interesting...a 1970's teenager's bedroom pics...
http://www.rocketroberts.com/stereo/stereo.htm
And a parting shot- Utah was in Huntington Indiana.
But I have seen one very old Alnico compression driver labeled Salt Lake City...so in the early years they must have actually been in Utah...
OK, I'll go dig them out. Will report back ASAP.
EDIT: OK, the horn says:
MAGNAVOX
580088-1
(symbol) ? 69.51
I don't know what the 580 code is.
FWIW, i think 580088-1 is a Magnavox part number.
Yup- here's a pair with that part number and Heppner EIA code...
Pair Vintage Magnavox 16 Ohm Speaker Horns 580088-1 - eBay (item 120613973616 end time Nov-24-10 10:21:11 PST)
Those are similar to what I have, but not identical.
Mine have green plastic driver covers, not the foam. And the horns have ridges or seams on each outside face.
The green plastic driver cover is earlier than the foam..so absolutely positively yours are not Fostex. Possibly Jensen, but more likely early Heppner.
What I am saying is your horns date from the late 60's before Fostex entered the US market.
Pano yours sound kinda like Jensen Rp-109?
http://usr.audioasylum.com/images/y2...eeter_1092.JPG
Ah ha! Found a missing detail. The horn says "JAPAN" cast into the metal.
The 12" woofers these were paired with were CTS from 1970.
Interesting. Are you sure about the 1970?
Sounds more like 80 if you are dealing with CTS and the date code is zero.
I have never seen a Magnavox with CTS early 70's. Could be, but I've seen hundreds.
Edit...a phone call to a friend, he says your horns are newer also.
Heppner was absorbed by Cerwin Vega late 70's. He says yes Magnavox did start buying Foster, so your friend is right. I remembered consoles being pretty much dead by then, but there were at least SOME I guess.
So what you have are Foster copies that borrowed from both the Heppner and Jensen according to him.
Honestly, I have never seen a pair like yours, but when I bought the Magnavoxes to part out I always went after tubes if I could. I didn't buy the many 70's ones.
If your woofs are 70. it is also possible your horns were replaced. Those things are easy to blow. But I think your woofs might be 80.
No biggie. As I say, your friend is right, but I still think I am right that older units didn't use the Foster, that they are later.
FWIW, it looks like the Radio Shack 40-1228 started out as the foam covered Heppner version sometime in the 60's and was replaced by the Japan/Foster made version circa 1975, and i think this is probably the time the snap on plastic covers entered the scene. In the '68 and earlier catalogs they made a point to mention they're made in USA, the catalogs continued to use the same stock photo thru '74. The years i was intimately familiar with RS(75-81) you could depend on the accuracy of the catalog images, they were of course masters of advertising.
The 70's RS/Foster versions are really very good sounding units for their entry fee, as OG says, they're fairly delicate and won't tolerate abuse. At some point in the early 80's they changed the horn to all plastic, and i think the country of origin became Korea(not so good anymore).
Thanks for the pics " Guys" :)
Well I "think" it was an early 70s console. Code on the 12" Alnico woofer was 137 7011
So would that make it CTS, 11th week of 1970? Or am I reading that wrong?
IIRC, it was out of an RCA console. You may have seen similar. The horn and woofer were together in a Styrofoam cube. Small, simple crossover. It all did look more 1980 than 1970, but I just don't know. And if it really was an RCA console, why the Magnavox horn?
Now I'm very confused. :confused:
That's how i'd read that date code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
I "think" Audio By Goodwill has/had some styrofoam cube speakers of the same or very similar variety, fairly sure his were from a "maggotbox" as we so affectionately refer to Magnavox consoles.:D
Entirely possible that the original horns were blown and replaced with yours.:confused:
CTS makes a LOT more sense in an RCA console. I had wrongly assumed we were talking about a Magnavox console.
Anyway, I did learn there WERE Foster horns in the consoles. But my source insists they switched when Heppner went belly up. ie late 70's.
Well I can't swear it was a RCA console, so who knows? That what is I was told, but did not see the beast in person. And replacement horns is also a good explanation of the Foster in a 1970 console. Does not seem likely that the console got new horns and old woofers when it was built, but one never knows.
A mystery!
Where was Heppner based? I remember reading about them, but can't find the info now.
Chi-town
Thanks. Seems like Heppner supplied an enormous amount of mid price range drivers thru the middle of the 20th century. And yet not a household name.
What became of them?
Yes, I do. However, I'm not sure what the drivers are since I can't get the Styrofoam pieces separated without using drastic measures. It appears that they are sealed with construction adhesive. Unfortunately, the drivers were sealed, too, not just the Styrofoam seams.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
Bowtie I can't beleive you remembered that.
They're actually in my way.......... if someone happened to be passing through, I'd gladly part with them for a bottle of something from your area....... or even just for the floor space.
Magnavox switched to CTS sometime in the 60's, I think. When watching Ebay for Magnavox woofers, I see a lot of them made by CTS. Then later Eminence. The CTS were still to the Magnavox (Jensen?) design, I believe........ I think they changed the cone eventually. The Eminence were revised....... at least some had the square magnets that Eminence is known for. I don't have any specific years for changes, as I've never studied it that closely.
Old Guy, I know this contradicts what you mentioned earlier, but is it possible you didn't look close enough to differentiate the CTS woofers from the Magnavox until they started changing the cone design? All of my Magnavox woofers are late 50's out of tube gear..... mostly consoles, one I think is from an organ tone cabinet.
I've seen Jensen and Heppner
I wonder if Magnavox just bid this stuff out and whoever sent back low bid? I am used to a much more systematic buying, looks like I have to change that about these...
I always sought tube models, the transformers were sell-able on Feepay for little boutique guitar amps...
IMHO are Altec Madera 892A
406-8y woofer