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Don't forget to vote, it is the only method of change we have in the country we live in. Whether you are Republican, Democrat, of Socialist, go vote.
Walking across the road to vote now. Honestly when I woke up I was still torn between how to vote but I've made up my mind.
Hope you voted Republican or you can have your cats back.
For anyone interested, here are the house seats and current voted counted for VA...
Griffith 53% Boucher 45% with 2/3 in.
https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.g...cial/6_s.shtml
Goodbye Boucher.. way to go District 9
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Originally Posted by MapleGap
Don't worry I did. I was being a smartass haha
Anyone that doesn't realize how royally screwed the 9th is now, is just ****ing stupid. And that's not being some sore loser either, we're really ****ed. We just lost a guy with major seniority representing a rural area, you're more than likely using the internet he brought to you and drinking the clean water he brought too...all to a guy who I bet not one of you ever heard of before this election, have no ****ing clue what he says he'll do and doesn't live in the district. So pat yourself on the back for screwing over the seniors, the vets, the mining co.'s, the students and everyone in between.
I was privileged enough to be in Abingdon tonight with Boucher, he's a class act and I'm honored to have worked for him. He had a smile talking to everyone, he did when I talked to him and he spoke very positive. He did not announce a retirement, so take that for what it's worth. With this massive amount of attack ads in this political climate, along with a lot of his supporters not taking this serious enough either. For two years at least, this area is devastated.
About what I expected...:laffingassoff::laffingassoff::rotfl::r otfl::rotfl::rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Didn't expect anything less from yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotSoSilentBob
So clueless like a few others in this thread, it's disgusting.
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Pat Obama on the back while you're at it. HE is the one who lost Boucher his seat. Are you not seeing the point tonight that anyone too close to Obama lost tonight? "I love Rick Boucher" did him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
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Originally Posted by R13
Many times in the past you and I have disagreed,but not on this. We won't even see this character you can believe that. I owe Mr. Boucher a debt of gratitude. Were it not for him,my family may not be fed,as it was he who really pushed the hardest to bring jobs to our area by building ROSP/WRSP-not to mention so many other jobs and technological advances that he is responsible for. BTW guys I am a registered Republican,so it has never been a vote for the party deal when it came to Boucher. Give this a year or so R13 and see if the folks who put this stranger in office are still smiling. Go ahead and bookmark this post/thread guys and see who is right a year from now:(
Why is it whenever a Republican has an opinion that is conceived by a Democrat as wrong they are uneducated, don't know what they're talking about redneck, racist hicks, but whenever a Democrat is wrong...oh wait Democrats are never wrong.
Boucher may have done a lot in this area but whose to say that Griffith won't do the same thing over the next 30 years? It's not like he's going to purposely try and screw us over. His party is in power in the House, so that will help out a lot. Boucher has been lucky to keep the seat for as long as he has in this largely conservative area. People around here do not like big government wanting to control everything and that showed tonight. Boucher has placed his support behind Obama on important issues that people around here have followed and that is why he lost tonight. I think it was time for him to go anyway. I fully support a term limit for Congress and am unsure why there isn't one. Griffith has the experience for this job as he has been in the state House of Delegates for the past 15 years, serving as the House majority leader for the past 10. I believe he was elected because people did know his experience and who he was. The majority of people did not go to the polls and blindly vote without knowing who they were voting for. I am sure some people did that, but MANY people did that two years ago as well. Boucher did do a lot for this area and I did vote for him in the past, but when he threw all of his support behind Obama two years ago even though this area largely supported Hilary Clinton in the primary I knew it was time for him to go. Obama's policies and the following he has from the Democrats in Congress are the reason for the Republican takeover in the House. He can either see this and move more toward the center or face the same fate in 2012.
Hey R13, ever consider that you cost Boucher his seat. After I found out you were helping ole Rick out, well that sealed it for me. LoL. Three cheers for R13. If you dont care help Obama out next go around.
Dumbassery is what lost him his seat, a massive amount of it here in this area was proven last night. Instead of people actually making an informed vote, they watched those attack ads, the listened to the lies from Griffith, they took those mailings too seriously. If they had half of a brain that when a President "loves you", that equals great things for your district - lots of money and help. Of course common sense wasn't used with that and logic didn't win over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter
Man you can be from any party and see what Boucher has done and what kind of shape SWVA is going to be in. I've met many he's helped, he helped my grandmother get her disability back in 1990. I've met many others that he has helped just like that, then talking to people making calls and the ones that asked for help at the events I worked and him personally taking down their number right their and was in the process of helping them right now...that's going to be passed off to a guy who doesn't care one bit about our part of SWVA, what's going to happen to those people? I'll probably end up switching to an out of state university, the funding for MECC and UVAW will go to hell now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unchained
People can write off what I said because "I'm just a dem that is just ****ed my guy lost". But I've got to know this man, I've met the people he's helped, I've seen him help others, I've seen an honest and geniune politician that cares for his area - which is hardly the case, just an all-around classy person who didn't stoop to his opponents level which cost him his job. It doesn't take a genius to realize that we are a very rural area, that Bouchers pull and seniority in the House was desperately needed for this area. Now it's gone and we're set back decades. It's a lot deeper than "just a loss for my side", it's my education in jeopardy, my grandparents future and issues they needed help with in danger and all of these good people I've met that need help so badly right now and won't even get the time of day.
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Originally Posted by red66
Do you actually think Griffith will be here in 30 years? They guy is a political opportunist, he used the heated political climate to beef up his rep and increase his familiarity with voters in this part of the state. He will be gone in 6 years, either being voted out or making a run at higher office. He wasn't elected because people were so familiar with him, not in this area at all, I'd bet most had never heard his name spoken before the election...most still don't know what the hell he stands for, what he said he was going to do(actual plans, not those one-lines of "small gov" that every tom, **** and harry in the GOP) because he never said what he was going to do. Not a doubt in mind that majority went in there blindly and voted for him, that's the most logical explanation and that's is my experience with that bunch. There was no logical reason to vote for him or against Boucher really, whether he's helped you personally, helped your family or someone you know, or you use what he has brought to the area everyday - everyone of you have. It was just the same basis hate for Obama, though they really don't know why, it's ridiculous.
Most votes around here were against Cap and Trade, only because they either didn't understand what Boucher did, didn't take the time to look it up and listened to this misleading Griffith campaign. Even if they did understand what he did for the coal industry with that bill, it's just stupid to vote based on it, what the **** would a freshman congressman do with a bill that's in the Senate now?
I don't think like a dumbass, so no. I'm sure a simple-minded guy such as yourself would base an entire vote on something so dumb like that, joking or not, you probably would do something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MapleGap
So what lies were told that cost Boucher his seat? And it needs to actually be a lie, something I can research and say "Griffith told an outright lie". IMO "attack ads" or "negative campaigning" isn't negative if the truth is told.Quote:
Dumbassery is what lost him his seat, a massive amount of it here in this area was proven last night. Instead of people actually making an informed vote, they watched those attack ads, the listened to the lies from Griffith, they took those mailings too seriously. If they had half of a brain that when a President "loves you", that equals great things for your district - lots of money and help. Of course common sense wasn't used with that and logic didn't win over.
The "he co-wrote the cap and trade bill" = lie. The claim that there has been a net loss of 10k jobs since he took office = lie. The "votes with Obama 96% of the time" = lie. That Griffith can somehow stop the cap and trade legislation = lie. Just to name a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by GC-1
To sit here and say he didn't run strictly on a negative campaign or use attack ads, is completely ridiculous. Boucher never stooped to his level, which cost him, the yelling of his misleading campaign drowned out common sense and the truth.
So Boucher never used/approve negative campaining?
Wow, you just don't get it, do you?:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
I did not vote only because of the massive amount of mudslinging going on. It got way out of hand up here with Rand Paul and Jack Conway. If they want to act like school children, they dont deserve my vote.
And I'm sorry, anyone who thinks losing Rick Boucher would be good for SWVA, well, you're a frakking idiot.
No he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Okay, then he shouldn't be happy with his own party for sending negative adds then.
The only thing that was sent out by the DNC was the few mailings that just said he doesn't live here, which he doesn't, never has and has said that he will not move here.
I do think its sad that people have so much hate for obama that they voted out Boucher, He HAS done for this area, id say a lot of people were afraid of cap and trade and the fact that OBAMA is totally against the coal industry........... thing is, Boucher wasnt against coal and he had plans to help us out even after cap and trade.
R13, Boucher really didnt help write up the cap and trade plan? I got a letter from him explaining how and why he did and how that he was backed by the coal industry to do it. Im not being a smartass im really confused as to why i would get a paper from his desk saying that if he wasnt that deeply involved in it? Explained why the coal companies were even involved in the process. Whats the deal with that then? I would really like to know if you could PM me or whatever it would be appreciated, seems if you put anything else in this thread it will explode.
Its sad to see Boucher go, he had a great run and kept our fragile economy in running shape, I guess with the election of Obama we can just expect bad things for this area, people are so far against him they wont keep someone beneficial in just because he backs Obama's agenda. We can just hope and pray that this new guy will put forth a little effort and get some work done in our area. I hope he is at least smart enough to fight to keep up funding for our prisons...... (the ones boucher fought like hell to get in here BTW) Im sure everyone knows on this board that im more on the conservative side than the liberal (by a **** ton) But even I could see the good that boucher did here. Im not saying it wasnt going to get worse, it could have especially for coal and the new power plant but hey why get rid of a good thing? Wait for the man to screw up before we call for his head.
Did you see that R13? You know absolutely nothing factual about Griffith it is all just your speculation that you think will happen because his politics are different than yours. I am sure that Griffith will do everything in his power to help our area and bring things in that Boucher did. You are making it seem like that Griffith will be getting paid off for making this area rot away. It is not as if Boucher had some magical powers that made people come here. Griffith will take a lot of what Boucher did right and expand on that. Just chill out and at least give the man a chance and not smash your sour grapes all over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Griffith isnt inexperienced or anything, even on Boucher's websites they praise him for his hard work and smarts, give the man a chance. he was house majority leader for what 9-10 years? I think he will do good for us, he is from Salem which when we redistrict im sure will be put here, if he brings anything close to this area it will help out. Give it time R13, if you want to blame something for Boucher losing blame Obamacare, people are scared to death of it.
No he didn't. The bill was written by Henry Waxman and Ed Markey, they authored the bill. The bill was presented and congress can add amendments to it, that's what Boucher did to it - which that's what Griffith was talking about when he said he "co-wrote it". It's a big bill, capping emissions was only a small part of it btw. Anyway, under the bill, companies would have to cap their emissions or continue but they must by permits to do so - that or get huge fines - and that money would go towards clean-coal technology. What Boucher's amendment did was make 90% of those permits free for electric utility companies - the companies like Dominion and Duke and other huge companies come in is that they endorsed the bill because of Bouchers amendment. The literature that was sent out explains it better than that, but that's what happened in a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
I'd bet I know a lot more about Griffith that you do. This isn't speculation, it's common sense. Griffith has no pull in Congress, definitely not anywhere near to what Boucher had, that's going to equal us getting a fraction if we're lucky to what Boucher brought in. The other thing we know is that he isn't from here, has never lived here and isn't moving here - that means that what little interest he has in the 9th is going to be near Roanoke. Go ahead and ask Morgie to name three "towns" in Lee Country, guarantee he couldn't name any. He's voted for using money that was ours, for the 6th and NOVA, why in the hell would you think or I think that he would do anything in our power for us?(what little power he would have).Quote:
Originally Posted by red66
By some small chance that he is some ****ing ambassador of goodwill to SWVA, he doesn't have the pull in congress to do it, that's even considering he gives two ****s about this area. So you can soak up all you want with the "he'll expand on it", which is really laughable, but reality is that he doesn't have the power to do it even if he wanted.
You do realize that Boucher was one of the dems that voted against it, right? Of course I didn't agree with that at all, but he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Your pathetic R13, you lose and cry like a baby. I picture you in the corner with your hat on sideways and your pants hanging off your ass, thumb stuck in your mouth. Of course you you should be crying, maybe the republicans can take away some of the freebies you and your kind have been enjoying from the working class. Go get a ****ing job and shut the hell up, oh I forgot, there aren't any jobs because your buddies have screwed up the whole **** country.
I guess the one I got from the DNC was a complete abboration then which mentioned nothing about where Griffith lives but how he will make jobs leave this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
While I'm not quite as colorful as MapleGap I do believe that you need to just suck it up and quit saying all this stuff like it will be the gospel. You do not have a clue what Griffith will do so do not try and preach like you do. Like I said you have your speculation because you are sour that Boucher lost. I will agree with you that Boucher did do a lot for the area, but there is no way you can say on one day after the election that Griffith will not do anything for SWVA. Of course when he was in the House of Delegates he didn't go out of his way to bring things to Lee/Wise/Scott etc. That wasn't the district he represented. Go ask the constituents of the district he represented what he did for them and I am sure they will speak highly of him or they wouldn't have continued to elect him. It is not like he is some political no name that has no experience what so ever, in fact he has more political experience than our current president did when he was elected. I understand that he has different opinions and beliefs than you do and what he does you will probably not like because he will not support the liberal agenda. But it is common sense that he will do everything he can for the area unless he wants to get voted out in two years.
You do realize that Boucher was one of the dems that voted against it, right? Of course I didn't agree with that at all, but he did.
yeah i know, but what you didnt understand from my post is that people are scared to death of obamacare, and want anyone that could be even closely or remotely influenced to join in on it OUT of here. "I love rick boucher", killed our chance of having rick boucher back. When a man comes in promising you the world, and delivers nothing, you can expect major changes. Like i said in another post, the republicans werent getting it done for us, so i had hoped Obama could come in and help out, but he isnt doing anything either and MOST people can see that.
R13 man, you cant expect a bunch of coal miners to vote for somebody who wants to shut down a COAL POWERED plant that would bring in jobs for us. And yes, it would shut it down because the fines would be so freaking outrageous from emmisions that they wouldnt be able to operate. Before they start doing ridiculously stupid **** like that they need to bring in alternate energy sources to our area. Trust me im as shocked and sad to see Boucher go as anyone that followed his progress here, but once you start screwing with the coal (sadly the backbone of this whole area) then you have lost your votes. I hate it, but you cant really blame people from the area.
I'll agree "dumbassery" lost the seat, the "dumbassery of Obama. This wasnt a regional thing, it was a nationwide rebellion against Obama. That was very evident when someone who has been in a certain office for 30 years, helped this area out tremendously, and the public has to get rid of him to prove a point to Washington...can you not see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
exactly, as sad and pitiful as this may seem its definitely what went WRONG here, and i will say WRONG because there is no way boucher shouldnt be celebrating another victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter
That is my worry- Boucher didn't set the world aflame, but this guy won't be as respected as Boucher was. And the thing about not living in this area- Va has a history of ending at Roanoke. I can't see this gent paying much attention to what far SWVA needs or wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter
Freebies? I'd stop spouting off with someone you don't have a clue about. I've probably been a lot more successful than you have with your pathetic life, a grown man acting like a little 13 yr old *****.Quote:
Originally Posted by MapleGap
I haven't seen that one, really I haven't, not saying you didn't get it either. I've seen 4 mailings and 3 are about him not being here and the other was about his vote on electricity rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Sorry, I won't "suck it up" when it's my education in the balance, when there is a childrens cancer center that I proposed to Mr. Boucher in the balance, when it's my grandparents future in the balance. Don't expect me to be quiet about it when all of that is going to be hurting because of this fool. I never said that I know what he will do, but I do know what he can and can not do and a very good idea of where his priorities will be. I'm sure Griffith will be wonderful for the eastern part of SWVA, they'll be just fine, it's my area that I'm worried about. He is a political no name, he's a **** delegate, there's a reason he wouldn't run for his own district.Quote:
Originally Posted by red66
You just really aren't grasping what this means for SWVA and how far this set us back. As you can see I'm not alone, others see how important he was for us, now he's gone and we lost a great congressman because of sheer ignorance. Nothing at all says he would do anything for our part of the 9th, do you even know what his plans are? List some, love to hear them, since he failed to mention them. Oh wait, he did list some...
1) Stop Cap and Trade.
2) Balance the budget and cut spending.
3) Stop Obama.
So since we have some plans, could you tell us how he's going to do any of that?
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Originally Posted by Rocky
And people don't need to be, that's the problem, they're not liking Obama for all of the wrong reasons. He's done plenty, more than Bush or Reagan ever did in their 16 years between them. It's just a lot of people not informed, not seeing what he's actually done and soaking up what they hear on Fox Noise. People don't realize that when any President likes you, it can only equal good things for that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Sure they wouldn't, but Obama has nothing to do with that bill. He hasn't signed anything with that bill, plus the cap and trade part is a tiny part of the entire bill. Coal isn't bringing in that many jobs, it's keeping jobs, but it will only cause a loss as time goes on - the bill creates green jobs that will not only be here forever, but will grow. I absolutely blame the people around here, esp. for voting based on that issue, considering what Boucher did to the bill and weakened that part of it. What's so ironic is that these were the same geniuses that voted for McCain two years ago, who has personally proposed cap and trade legislation himself several years ago.
Boucher didn't "turn his back on coal", we turned our back on him when he needed us most and I'm ashamed to live in the same place as these people, seriously. I can put it a lot on the eastern part of the 9th, where he lost the biggest, but he got a lot of votes here too which is pretty disgusting.
No one "had to" get rid of anyone, it was their own stupid choice to do it. Apparently they didn't get enough of the complete failures from the GOP the 8 years prior to Obama, so they ask for more. I have really no sympathy and don't think much of anyone who voted for Griffith around here, I'd cut off that clean drinking water Boucher got them and that broadband they probably use, those cell phones they like to use too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter
It was because in Congress, if they needed his vote to pass it, he was going to vote to help get it passed.. but he didn't vote on it..
Also for partial birth abortions, which I disagree with.
HAHAHAHA, how?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
What's stopping you from leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
I think you miss the point of what EVERYONE here is saying. It's not that people around here really wanted to lose Boucher. Everyone here is saying it's his relationship with Obama that lost it. Stating a fact, not an opinion of why Boucher should have stayed in office. People are fed up with with what is happening in Washington, and apparantly they were willing to sacrifice locally to put a stop to it nationally.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
that's it... it's the nation standing up, and sacrificing the small people to make 1 big point.
They're sending a message to the Washington, and hopefully it's heard loud and clear.
Yesterday was a great day for our nation! Good to know there is still intelligent people in this country :flagwaver:
How? Well at 20, no kids, I'm working on my Bachelors, work in politics and campaigns, have met state senators, delegates, congressman, US Senators, and a former President, in a few years I will have my bachelors I will be running campaign offices(maybe local, maybe another state, depends on where I am sent). Oh and a two-time cancer survivor. Especially compared to that self-proclaimed redneck, I think I'm doing quite well at this age, laugh at it all you want though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shooter
Not much now, since Boucher did lose, I really have began to look at out of state Universities.
No I get what you're saying, I just still think it's bull****, meaning it was just a lot of ignorance just like it is with a lot of views regarding Obama. So if they're really that whacked to oust someone like Boucher, all to send a "message to Obama" who has done a massive amount of things for us in a short amount of time...then **** em, I don't even consider them real virginians if that's the case.