Hi folks,
If anyone is contemplating of selling one excellent pair from their stash, please let me know. I am building (gasp!) another set of speakers.
Best regards and happy holidays!
Abe
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Hi folks,
If anyone is contemplating of selling one excellent pair from their stash, please let me know. I am building (gasp!) another set of speakers.
Best regards and happy holidays!
Abe
Hey Abe, There is a mint pair right now with a Buy it Now on the bay... $299 though looks like they have been listed for awhile due to price I imagine but they look to be in very nice shape.
TWO VINTAGE ALTEC 414Z 12" LOW FREQUENCY WOOFERS (PAIR) - eBay (item 220691168179 end time Dec-31-10 13:18:48 PST)
Thanks Altec Best,
I saw that pair. My question is, that excess glue, should I be concerned if I buy the drivers? Does that mean they were left in a hot temp environment for a long period of time? Sorry for these questions, I am not "experienced" buying Altec vintage drivers and does not have the background in telling what is good and what is not like you guys.
Thanks!
Abe
Concerned ? Not at all. I would say that 75% of these vintage drivers have that, my 416's,604's do and they are fine.It has more to do with gravity then heat IME.That's why woofers should be rotated every 6 months or so.It's just a good habit to get into.Trying to offset the effects of gravity to prevent (Saging Cones) etc....
I would like to let you know that those speakers have been reconed at some time in their life and are not original parts. Probably Waldom parts.
When you make statements like that it's helpful to post your evidence also.Quote:
Originally Posted by louder
I'm curious why you think so?
The last pic shows a glimpse of a cone number which is certainly not Waldom. It's
6:30 AM and on my first coffee, having a bit of trouble recalling Altec numbers of the era, but I would almost guarantee they aren't Waldom
Me too ! I sent the seller an email and asked if he can send me a picture of the numbers on the cones.
Maybe we can get some clarification Abe.
A number of coffees later revisited the picsQuote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
Looks like 210xx which is a proper numbering for original Altec cones
Here is one that looks way worse check number and compare
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Thanks OG ! On the Auctiva links it looks like the cone #'s are 21060
I think they are original cones ! But won't know for sure until a pic can be provided, if the seller sends me one I'll post it here.;)
Personally, I don't like it when the glue (surround treatment) melts all ove the cone. it just looks bad. these look like a sloppy recone to me. Or a sloppy build at Altec.
I have several 414's sitting around, I'll try to remember to look at the cone numbers.
Ron
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Originally Posted by amandarae
O.G.,
Here's what made me post that they may have been recones.
In pic 3 and 5 you can see the glue bead around the dust cover. It's dull and almost perfect. Altec had a factory glue that they also put in their recone kits that laid a bead down like that. Even a novice could do a good job. The speaker in pic 2 and 4 has a sloppy
bead with bubbles in it. This was what the Waldom glue did alot. We used to mix it with thinner to try and get a better/nicer glue bead out of it. I also thought that the gaskets were thicker than factory but on further inspection I was wrong.
The fact that the seller didn't include the pix of the cone numbers also made me suspicious. You are correct about the number showing being a factory part.
I did this also to try and protect a fellow board member from buying somthing that MAY not be original. Abe seems to be very paticular about Altecs.
Hopefully I didn't offend anyone or screw up a deal.
I wont post in the morning anymore either. At least not when I'm rushing out the door to work.:doh:
Thanks a lot guys for taking the time to figure out if the Altecs in the auction are authentic! I really appreciate it!
Yes, of course, if I am gonna spend my money, I like to get the original ones. The same reason why I posted my WTB inquiry here first before taking any action of acquring a pair myself. As I stated, I am not too familiar with the vintage Altec drivers and just learning bit by bit on my own.
regards,
Abe
I'm thinking about parting out my last pair of 9844A's, circa 1975, woofers are original 414-16B(newer style, stronger frame, black paint). Drop me a PM if you're interested in a pair of woofers.
I am :D Hey Guys I think I'm addicted,to Altec Lansing,no matter how many Altec speakers I have it is Never enough !
AB come on down your the next contestant on the Price Is Right !! :D ;)
Abe if you need them then they are all yours, as the post i think was for you.If you don't want them then I do I do.
Thank you Bowtie, I really appreciate it! But educate me on this please. What is the Sensitivity of the 414-16B?
I am looking for the 414Z because I believe it has 98~99 dB sensitivity as I research from this:
The following is from Altec's 1966 "Specifications for Engineers and Architects" : "Pressure Sensitivity" of the 414A (same as the 414Z) is "99 dB (SPL at 4' from 1 watt)."
In my application, every dB counts since I only have flea power amps.
Best regards,
Abe
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Originally Posted by louder
Good stuff to know- Thanks!
Anywhoo it may be one of each? since only one number is showing?
It could also be that one of the dust covers was replaced at one time. But the glue was the first thing that tipped me off. I can't remember the exact part number on the Altec glue (4380?) but it was so nice that when Altec ceased we actually tried to have it made. Couldn't trace it back though.
Did A.B. ever get a e-mail back ? Or pix ?
Not yet !! But when or if I do I will post them here straight away !Quote:
Originally Posted by louder
I've got a pair of 414A drivers that came out of an old theater in Monterey. Pretty nice condition. Just send me a PM if you are interested.
Dan
PM sent Dan!
Thanks again!
The correct cone number for the 414-8C is 210067
I have 4 of them in mint condition.
Altec Best, if what you saw on Ebay is mint, buy em. Buy em all! I think they look like crap. I wouldn't give 25 bucks for them. They need a proper recone.
I also have one orig 414-8E. Cone looks the same but has a diff part number. Perhaps it was reconed.
Here is a pic of a MINTY 414-8C
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2010/12/11.jpg
And a pic of the -8C vs the -8E there was no -8D
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2010/12/12.jpg
And the -8C cone number
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2010/12/13.jpg
Ron
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Originally Posted by RonSSS