Powell Valley (4-0 LPD) at J.J. Kelly (4-0 LPD) Tuesday January 25th, 2011

The showdown many people predicted is going to occur. The winner of the game finishes the first half of the LPD season undefeated and alone in first place. This is the best Kelly team in several years while Powell Valley enters the game finally starting to play up to what many folks expected at the start of the season. One key component to the game in my opinion will be who gets off to a hot start. The Indians have struggled against the Vikings in recent history losing at least the five meetings between the two schools. However, the last time the two clubs hooked up a low scoring affair occurred in JJK. PV held on for a 35-32 victory en route to the LPD title. This years match up once again appears to be a low scoring slug fest. JJK and Powell Valley are the top two defensive teams in the league despite differing in defensive approach. JJK's guards obviously have an advantage on the perimeter while PV should have an advantage on the inside.

Anybody who thinks I'm picking against PV is crazy: PV by ten. JJK gets frustrated with PV's defensive pressure and Stick makes a big jump in claiming his second consecutive player of the year award.

I disagree. Last year, PV had a far better team and only managed to beat kelly up there by 3 points. This year JJ Kelly has the better team, and this one is at the crackerbox. I believe that Aaron Clark will feast and he'll get assistance from teammates. Kelly Appears deeper than PV, and they have more balance in their scoring, and I dont think that Kelly will have to score that much. PV's offense isn't great. JJ Kelly wins 41-35. Very low scoring, defensive slugfest.

I've watched both teams play once (vs J.I. Burton) It is gonna be a better game than I think most people are gonna allow, here is how I see it

Kelly has better shooters on the floor. I don't think they have an answer for number 12 from PV (not sure the kids name) PV has a better Defense than kelly does, if PV keeps Kellys 3 point shooters from shooting at will PV should win, even then may be a close one. PV has number 12 and 50 is the only 2 I think are really a threat 30 likes to shoot but not as good a shot as the 2 from JJKelly. Im not sure if Kelly will be able to match up with PVs Size either 50 and (maybe) 54 are tall and play Physical inside, I don't think Kelly will be able to match up.

Dont' foul the kids from PV they don't miss free throws... EVER

But like I said... If PVs D don't keep on Kellys shooters they'll light it up all night on em.

PV by 6

If PV can get going down low with the big guys Vernon and Baker early they will be fine. Stick also needs to have a good shooting night and needs to drive to the basket anytime it's possible. Henry could play a big part in the game to if he can get hot from 3 land

Score?????

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Originally Posted by R13

Score?????

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JJK won by 15

I'm sure pvfan will have an interesting input on tonight's game. Bottom line JJK is much deeper than PV . JJK has a defensive scheme that pressured Stick and Vernon which basically made the other three on the floor score for PV. Early in the game it looked like that scheme wouldnt work but Vernon went cold and Stick never really got going. PV ont he other hand pressured Clark the entire game but his teammates stepped up and made some buckets which allowed Clark to get open shots.

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Originally Posted by basketballguy

I'm sure pvfan will have an interesting input on tonight's game. Bottom line JJK is much deeper than PV . JJK has a defensive scheme that pressured Stick and Vernon which basically made the other three on the floor score for PV. Early in the game it looked like that scheme wouldnt work but Vernon went cold and Stick never really got going. PV ont he other hand pressured Clark the entire game but his teammates stepped up and made some buckets which allowed Clark to get open shots.

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Conditioning played huge role tonight as well. By late 2nd quarter the Vikings were winded. Typical LPD officiating on both sides tonight

Exactly what do you mean by "typical" LPD officiating?

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Originally Posted by LPD_007

Exactly what do you mean by "typical" LPD officiating?

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Anything was a foul through most of the game,folks getting away with carrying ball and pushing off all night long. 1st half lopsided foul descrepency for PV then in 2nd half refs trying to make up calls and close gap...you know same 'ol same 'ol.

Im in the complete opposite of your opinions on the officiating. I thought the crew did a very good job calling the game. Regardless of the foul count there is not a rule stating they have to be even. I think that is a very mute point that most uneducated sports fans complain about. Typically when officials begin a game they set a tone on what they are going to call whether that be the hand checks and push fouls or they let them play a little more. Tey might make changes according if the game gets out of hand and there is much rougher play. Either way the fouls get called. You have to remember 9 times out of 10 you have a much worse angle on fouls refs call. Something that might look like a foul 60 feet away is merely something different 3 feet away.

Just a thought but maybe JJK was playing rougher in the first half? Maybe they corrected themselves and realized they cannot push and what not.

I try not to be so judgmental toward officials in our area. They all try their hardest to call the game correctly.

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Originally Posted by basketballguy

I'm sure pvfan will have an interesting input on tonight's game. Bottom line JJK is much deeper than PV . JJK has a defensive scheme that pressured Stick and Vernon which basically made the other three on the floor score for PV. Early in the game it looked like that scheme wouldnt work but Vernon went cold and Stick never really got going. PV ont he other hand pressured Clark the entire game but his teammates stepped up and made some buckets which allowed Clark to get open shots.

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Got out played, Stick got leg cramps, JJK hit a ton of threes and won. The officiating was awful, first time all season I've cursed. How T.J. McAmis can have a personal conversation with an official after every foul and our coach doesn't say a word and gets a technical while we are on a run I will never understand. I've been to over 1,000 basketball games in my life and it's the only time in my life I've ever seen a call like that. I don't think we would have won regardless but it would have been interesting to see the final result if that situation doesn't occur. It was a nine point swing in the game. Salyers, Dillon Clark, and Aaron Clark all played well for JJK. I'm sure people will say I'm just belly aching but I've never seen a call like that, especially in that spot. If it were I, I wouldn't have that official back. The sad thing is, the guy who actually missed the foul gave us every call, almost making them up after the screw up to benefit us. Really, the last time the game was so important the Super Crew was on it. I'm not sure what changed in two weeks.

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Originally Posted by LPD_007

Im in the complete opposite of your opinions on the officiating. I thought the crew did a very good job calling the game. Regardless of the foul count there is not a rule stating they have to be even. I think that is a very mute point that most uneducated sports fans complain about. Typically when officials begin a game they set a tone on what they are going to call whether that be the hand checks and push fouls or they let them play a little more. Tey might make changes according if the game gets out of hand and there is much rougher play. Either way the fouls get called. You have to remember 9 times out of 10 you have a much worse angle on fouls refs call. Something that might look like a foul 60 feet away is merely something different 3 feet away.

Just a thought but maybe JJK was playing rougher in the first half? Maybe they corrected themselves and realized they cannot push and what not.

I try not to be so judgmental toward officials in our area. They all try their hardest to call the game correctly.

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Far from uneducated in sports. Thank you for your opinion (which you have right to). BTW it wasn't all JJK doing the pushing (alot of the point). You had folks like CJ throwing his hands up to show the refs that he was being pushed off. Like I said though,it was bad both ways. You can see it different and that's all good. Two pretty good squads at it tonight though,and JJK was better tonight. As for the angle? I was 2 rows from floor:2thumbsup: I never said the refs weren't trying either,but when you hear so much skin smacking it sounds like a porno and nothing is called yet charges are called with folks still moving their feet,you have to wonder.

If you are far from uneducated in sports you would know a charge can occur while people are still moving. IF the offense player leads with the shoulder and creates contact with the defensive player it is a charge EVERY single time. If both the offense and defense is running and the offensive player bumps the defender enough to displace him it is a charge EVERY single time.

You might want to brush up on your rules there sports guru.

And as far as saying you sat two rows up that still has no meaning on your angle to a foul. Pay close attention tot he next game you watch on where officials are placed on the court. They are positioned so they can get the best angles on match-ups. Remember the officials move to get the best position for a possible matchup... It is tough to see anything unless it is 4 feet from you. If you are 10 feet or further away form a play 50 percent of the time you cant see enough of the play to call a foul especially if you are in the stands.

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Originally Posted by LPD_007

If you are far from uneducated in sports you would know a charge can occur while people are still moving. IF the offense player leads with the shoulder and creates contact with the defensive player it is a charge EVERY single time. If both the offense and defense is running and the offensive player bumps the defender enough to displace him it is a charge EVERY single time.

You might want to brush up on your rules there sports guru.

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Difference being that was not the case in each instance

Then what is the instance? You said in an earlier post "how can you call a charge with you feet still moving". So what is it?

The definition of a charge in the rulebook mentions the word torso about 3 times. Paraphrasing here, but a charge is when the defensive player has proper defensive position and the offensive player dislodged the defender by making contact with the defender's torso.

The defensive player can be moving. He doesn't have to fall. Heck, he can even jump.

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Originally Posted by pvfan

How T.J. McAmis can have a personal conversation with an official after every foul and our coach doesn't say a word and gets a technical while we are on a run I will never understand.

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Maybe one was saying English in the conversation, and the other uttered a French word???

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Originally Posted by 7teen

The definition of a charge in the rulebook mentions the word torso about 3 times. Paraphrasing here, but a charge is when the defensive player has proper defensive position and the offensive player dislodged the defender by making contact with the defender's torso.

The defensive player can be moving. He doesn't have to fall. Heck, he can even jump.

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I'm still waiting on someone to find over the back in the rule book.

Or a moving screen haha

Very impressive performance from Kelly last night. I don't think there was ever a point in the game when PV was in control.

I was just thinking that if Kelly manages to win both the girls and boys district championships that it would be the first time a school has swept the district since Gate City.