at home in basketball, will you ever beat us again in the big two (fb and bball)??
;) lol Roll Tide!
60-55 in OT over UT @ UT.
Bama has 1 SEC loss, leads the SEC
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at home in basketball, will you ever beat us again in the big two (fb and bball)??
;) lol Roll Tide!
60-55 in OT over UT @ UT.
Bama has 1 SEC loss, leads the SEC
And it took UT's best player being out and an assistant coach coaching, to even make it out of overtime. :lol: You'd better thank God that dumb **** Kiffin was there or you'd still be crying wanting that MNC. ;)
the assistant coach has been coaching for a while, tough to use that excuse.
but i figured a team with all that huge talent and those big stars could beat a team full of nobodies with a nobody coach in their home building. :p
It'd have been nice to have that 17 ppg that Hopson brings versus that ZERO that Bone chipped in today. You wouldn't have even had to have to wait through overtime to start jerking it.
Hey every team has games without players, and I can almost guarantee Hopson would not have scored 17. The UT bigs needed to play bigger, Harris had what, 16? Him and Williams needed to have big games because of the D bama plays on the perimeter. The inside D by Bama is far from great, but they make up for it by creating all sorts of turnovers from the outside.
UT scored 60 tho, more than the rest of the SEC averages v. us. I didnt get to see it just listened to last two minutes of regulation and OT, Bama tried to give it away with Green's turnover late but luckily UT couldnt convert.
Whats UTs record in the SEC now?
you can guarantee Hopson wouldn't have scored 17??
Do tell...
Harris had 19. Hopson would have been in double digits at least. 1 would have been better than what Bone gave. Williams comes off the bench and will have a decent game every once in a while, that was Wednesday, not today. The bigs weren't the problem, it's the point guard position today. Goins was awful.
UT's 5-3 now. Two losses in OT and the first game Jones coached which was a total debacle.
Alabama has not allowed a guard like Hopson to score like that. He is guarded by guys like Hillman, some of the best if not the best perimeter defender in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcdevil22
Im razzing Lung back and forth, but if you wanna hop in we can all laugh at VT losing to BC today
That was what was getting at. Alabama always makes it hell on the frontcourt. The back end has to play huge to beat a team that plays perimeter defense like Alabama does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironlung
Or just focus really hard on stopping Green and not letting Hillman create. the offense runs thru Green, he is very hard to stop. But if you can get him off the block you can beat them.
I watched UK struggle mightily stopping Green inside with 4 and 5* recruits, but I saw some **** teams force him off the block early in the season and beat them.
you mean like Hazell from Seton Hall putting up 27 on them?
or maybe you meant E'Twaun Moore scoring 23?
or maybe Marshon Brooks scoring 33 while his teammate Gerard Coleman had 18?
or how about Ross from lowly Auburn putting up 20 to match the 20 put up by OK State wonderbread shooter Page??
you gave up 18 to Dee Bost and his teammate Kodi Augustus had a double double...
as a matter of fact, in the 13 games you've played against power conference teams, you've given up at least 16 points to a guard in 8 of them...and 5 of those were 20+ pts
and yes, VT lost today on the road to a team who is 15-8 and 4th place in the conference...do you even pay attention??
Bama won in OT without making a FG in OT. That about explains it. Dats all Ize sayin'
yeah, Dee Bost, a POINT GUARD, plays like Hopson.
or Hazell, a VOLUME shooter.
or Moore, a shooter.
Ross, the guy who shot 33% on FIFTEEN shots? two of those were threes, and he was perfect from the line. Its not like Ross had 20 on 10 shots and made a bunch of shots, he didnt.
Hopson is a slasher, a guy who gets to the rim, in the SEC. Which is what we are talking about, SEC play.
I said it once, I was razzing Lung, but the point stands. Bama allows like 35% from the field and only 57 ppg. And in SEC play, the only two you mentioned, Ross and Bost (who is a PG, NOT like Hopson), got their points in games that were not close. Bama beat AU comfortably and RAILED MSU, a team YOU picked to win the SEC, twice.
The only player you mentioned that fits the mold is Augustus, and he didnt have 17 did he?
And VT, the team that people said could contend for the ACC title, was preseason ranked, was supposed to finally be the team this year that made real noise, just lost to BC.
theres like 5 teams tied for 4th in the ACC, is that not correct? All of them are 5-4, right?
So yeah, its pretty funny that big bad VT lost to BC.
And Stripes, the game was in Knoxvegas. Like I said I didnt get to watch, but listened. Ima have a hard time buying the refs screwed UT on their home court lol
Morshon Brooks also fits that mold...he had 33
regardless, you talked about Bama's ability to defend the perimeter...and correct if I'm wrong...but the PG is out on the perimeter....i don't know maybe they have changed that and now the PG plays on the blocks...but with Hillman (the guy you mentioned would guard Hopson) at 6'2, he and Steele both can guard a PG if the kid is really beating you
also let's not go overboard with how many PPG Alabama is allowing...they also only score 68 ppg themselves, which is good enough for 216th in the nation...what does that tell you? if you don't score a lot and don't give up a lot, it generally means you play a slow tempo...so you might want to adjust your stat on how much Bama gives up per game
it's nowhere near the same team that was predicted to finish near the top of the ACC b/c they've been down to 8 scholarship players for over 2 months due to injuries...people are playing out of position and they're playing primarily zone which Greenberg has never done at any point in his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
but of course, you knew that, right...?
but if you want to compare VT and Alabama, they both are 15-7...except VT has played a much tougher schedule with only 8 scholarship players...
Biggin, ESPN3 was having some issues in the first half, but I watched a portion of it and all of the rest of the game. I doubt theres very many games when a team wins in OT without making a shot from the field. There was some crazy calls toward the end of the 2nd half. A ball a Bama player dribbles off his knee goes to Bama. Harris cleanly ties up the ball, and a ref shielded from the play calls a foul on Harris. Im not saying it cost UT the game, they didn't play well today. Bama was lucky to convert some easy buckets at the end of the first half over unusual UT mistakes (Harris dribbling the ball off his thigh at midcout leading to a layup on the other end.. things like that)
Neither team looked good, but like I said, Bama shot more free throws in 5 minutes of OT, than they did the previous 40 minutes. TN shot 2. TN only fouled 1 to stop the clock at the end of the game also. It was just ugly, but dont think much of the TN homecourt/officiating thing. The only game one can argue in the SEC this year that TN has gotten benefit of the calls has been the UGA game.
UT is the only team I've ever seen to get absolutely **** calls at home and better calls on the road. I don't know why that is, but it's been the case the last 2-3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
Oh yeah, I'd take that guy over most people. He's gonna be a hell of a coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
Bama will have to pony up some money if they want to keep Grant around. He is going to be in even higher demand than he was a couple of years ago very soon.
heh, im super excited about Grant. He has done wonders for a team full of underachivers and no name guys. Im a big fan, but nobody knows him on teh national stage yet.
and Drew, you REALLY wanna compare a team that was picked to finish **** near LAST in teh SEC, THE SEC, a terrible conference, and a team that was preseason top 25 and supposed to finally break thru in a big time conference?
Im LOVING that. and a much tougher schedule is BS.
Bama's SOS: .50
VT's: .53
WOW, what a huge difference.
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You're really not getting how big he is. He's well known around the country and is big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
well I mean he ended up at Alabama after VCU. He didnt quite go to UCLA or Duke haha
He was a very hot name, but not a big name.
I think we agree but are using different words. He is a very, very hot name in coaching but he isnt a huge name nationally
like I know a lot of SEC fans know him and the big prognosticators know him, but the casual fan isnt familiar with him yet
Yesterday's was the worst I've seen in 15 years of watching UT basketball. Over the last four or five years, UT continually gets fewer calls than any home or road team. Kind of like early in the season (think it was the Villanova or Oakland game) when UT was whistled for four or five moving picks in a half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironlung
and you wanna compare a team who is first place in the SEC vs a team who is tied for 5th in the ACC and only has 8 scholarship players...as you can imagine, I'm loving thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
So you are happy VT is on the same standing as Alabama? Really?
You are seriously gonna say that VT is content to be where they are, regardless of turnover on the roster? Content to be compared with a SEC West team that was picked to finish near last in the SEC?
One team has severly overachieved, while the other, who has had injury problems, has severly underachieved and was underachieving even before the disaters on the roster.
This might all be decided in a couple months, if VT can make the tourney we might get this matchup, a 8-9 or 7-10 game in the NCAA or if Bama falters a matchup in the NIT.
ahhhhh you clearly can't speak on VT's behalf, you obviously have no knowledge of the situation
Allan Chaney (widely regarded within the program as the most talented player VT has, including Jeff Allen and Malcolm Delaney) was out with a heart problem before the season started
JT Thompson tore his ACL in October during practices before VT even played a game
Cedarian Raines only played in 4 games before being done for the year
and Dorenzo Hudson, VT's second leading scorer, only played in 9 games
so if VT's problems started before the injuries, I guess they started last Spring...and you must know something neither I or anyone involved with the VT program knows...but judging by how much you can clearly speak on the subject, that wouldn't surprise me
so do you think if prognosticators had known VT would only have 2 scholarship post players, 3 of their top 6 players out for the year, 4 of their top 8 players out for the year, and only 8 scholarship players total, where do you think VT would've been picked to finish??
regardless, preseason ratings are dumb...theyre a total guess...look at Michigan State to prove that...Alabama was picked last, big whoop...the SEC West is so effing hideous that if you can dribble and chew gum you can pick up 10 conference wins
so...am I glad VT is being compared (favorably) to a team who is first place in their conference, while only having 8 scholarship players and 2 post players TOTAL? yeah, actually I am...and it'd be pretty **** ignorant to think otherwise...but that's where you come in...
Yes, VT has had injury problems. I never claimed to have inside knowledge of VT basketball. I just know they lost to a bad BC team, and have underperformed greatly in the ACC so far. And were UNDERPERFORMING before losing Hudson. Whats the excuse now? Before Hudson/Raines went down, they had almost a full roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcdevil22
Bama just had a big time player, who would have been one of their best, transfer to UNC before the season. Its not as if VT was the only team to lose a player.
Wait, if VTs injury problems began so severely before the season, why would they rank them so high in the pre season polls? You are contradicting yourself.Quote:
so do you think if prognosticators had known VT would only have 2 scholarship post players, 3 of their top 6 players out for the year, 4 of their top 8 players out for the year, and only 8 scholarship players total, where do you think VT would've been picked to finish??
haha, there it is. I knew it was coming. How can you call the SEC so **** terrible yet be content that VT is compared to one of the teams? If the ACC was THAT much better and the SECW soooooo terrible, wouldnt it be an insult for even a shorthanded, mediocre ACC team to be compared to a team from the West?Quote:
regardless, preseason ratings are dumb...theyre a total guess...look at Michigan State to prove that...Alabama was picked last, big whoop...the SEC West is so effing hideous that if you can dribble and chew gum you can pick up 10 conference wins
So either you admit VT is terrible, or that Alabama is a good ball team and the SEC is better than people thought.
an ACC fan talking down to another conference is funny this year, the ACC is as mediocre as anyone else. Duke, then who? UNC? Maryland? BC? Clemson?
The ACC is just as average as the SEC.
pre-season polls are done over the summer dipsh*t...
only Allan Chaney was questionable at that point...and they even thought he might be able to play
Raines didn't play until 4 games into the season, missing the Kansas State game...he only played at the same time as Hudson for 3 games...so for 3 games this year, VT had a full (10-man) roster...except Raines' minutes were limited due to surgery on his foot and was only playing that early because of the injuries to Thompson and Chaney, as well as foul trouble from Jeff Allen
in those 3 games, VT beat Oklahoma State and lost in overtime to Purdue, and they were playing really well
so again...if they were underperforming BEFORE the injuries, they were underperforming in the pre-season...
if they were underperforming before Hudson got hurt, they were doing so b/c out of those 9 games, 6 of them were played with 2 post players...which hurt them bigtime in games against K-State and UVa w/ Mike Scott
and that sucks that Bama lost Knox, but they knew going into the summer that he would no longer be with them...there's a huge difference...now imagine Bama had lost JaMychal Green, Trevor Releford, and Chris Hines to go along with Knox and where would Bama be?
you're confusing "comparing" the 2 schools with saying they're equal...any of the top 6-7 teams in the ACC would be sitting atop the SEC West...so when we're comparing, just remember we're still saying VT is a better basketball team (with the injuries even) and a better program