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So what exactley is the deal with the School Board Tiebreaker?
I have thought for awhile that the non-odd numbers on each board facilatated alot of the deadlock on issues.....TYo bad the counts just does not creat a new district or elemanate a current on of get to a odd number and not have to jump through hoops
Exactly what is wrong? The pro-consolidation group will do anything for their agenda, even break rules. I guess the court will decide if this is legal.
A tiebreaker of some sort is needed, but we the people of Wise County should decide who that person is.
I know of a better way than appointing a tie breaker, why not make the chairman's seat the tie breaker. He would have no voting privilege until a tie breaker is needed. Then he/she would cast the deciding vote. It is the way our senators do it. The vice president is the tie breaker there. Why not follow the example of our U.S. Senate? I guess that is too simple. Again, another reason our boards need to be "purged" of the stupidity.
Differance is the VP is not an elected member of the senat.......I say just go with an odd number of districts or at least an "At Large" Board memberQuote:
Originally Posted by centennialdawg
True, but if you look at it, it makes perfect sense. That is the biggest reason he is elected vice president, aside from being the successor to the presidency in case the president is incapacitated in some way or dies in office.
LOL of course in the case of the board electing a member to only break ties but otherwise never vote it would creat a board with an odd numbers and would never need to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by centennialdawg
In the case of the SB or BOS no one would get elected chair becouse each side would try to elect someone from the other camp in order to elemanate there vote and avoid a tie in the 1st place.
Back to the point what exactly did the SB do? best I can tell they appointed an unelected member to beak ties which sounds alittle funny but it seems WC is alittle touched in the head as it is so.....
Touched in the head ain't what I would call it. I just plain out call it a case of the dumb s hits.
The addition of an at-large member would be the best solution.
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Originally Posted by NotSoSilentBob
I think so too and at least in our current situation it would more than likly allow the county as a whole have more of a voice rather than every board member worring about there own patch of dirt
Whose bright idea was it to have an even-numbered board in the first place? That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen, is there a way to do it on the BOS or just wait and hope for elections? I know Rivers is up in Nov., hopefully he'll be gone.
I'm curious about the election in April anyway, I don't see Greear losing IMO, maybe if the pro-side doesn't show up - which is the story in elections on any level, voter turnout. But he'd have to run again in November too.
I'm not seeing how the tie-breaker is against the rules? Just looking at the basic facts, it looks legit and I don't think for one second that Dr. Perry and the attorneys would have even recommended it to the board if it was this blatant violation.
And two other things :
1)Wtf is Betty talking about with Graham? She says he serves on Mullin's board, but is his boss? I don't even know the board she's talking about, but sounds like another gem from her, it's some volunteer board isn't anyway isn't it? Christ.
2) We have board members comparing the tie-breaker to the holocaust, I know he doesn't say much during these meetings, but that made up for every other meeting and is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my life and likely will ever hear.
The board she is talking about is the Board of Directors at the Department of Social Services in Wise county.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Gotcha, hadn't heard what board it was, never really looked though..thought it might just be some committee, is Graham a chairman or something? I don't know how them serving on a board together makes him Mullins boss.
I think the Jewish community would be very offended at Mr. Cantrell's statement about Hitler. We have Jewish citizens living here now, some of whom lost parents and grandparents in the holocaust. For him to make that statement was out of line, and he should be reprimanded by the board for his ludicrous remarks. This is the same guy that wanted to cut out coaching bonuses. He should resign IMHO!Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
I am for Consolidation BUT! A very BIG BUT!!!
The idea that the 5 pro consolidation majority can appoint someone to cast a tie breaking vote is an insult to me as a voter. How can someone just be handed the power to decide matters as he will surely be deciding? that kind of power being given away is scary?!?! Mr. Hutchinson hit the nail on the head with his remarks in that matter. He is one of the most respectful members of that board. The behavior, of some of the others on both sides are disgraceful. If the "5" can't get their agenda through by the book so be it. But how dare they do what they did, I am offended and I am for consolidation. It's wrong, plain and simple dirty politicking!
Dude, the whole board used to be appointed once upon a time. As long as he meets the basic qualifications, plus he's been a teacher for 35 years, he's fine with me. Hutchinson is anything but respectful too. I don't see how it's that "scary", he only votes when the board members can't get their **** together and agree on anything and only then. Yeah consolidation is the biggest part, but a 4-4 tie could hold up EVERYTHING, we've see blocking measures used by a party on the federal level the past few years blocking/attempting to block the most commonsense things...it's bad enough there, but we really want that on the local level? I applaud them, for catching all the flak they knew they would all so productivity can continue. Look at what happens with the BOS meetings, ones like Rivers have blocked us from getting consolidation.
the key words are "used to be appointed"Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
Matt you know Hutchinson was respectful to you, and most of the time he is to the rest of the board. If the shoes were reversed and the others did something like that you'd be on here complaining about it. You and I would both be P O'd and you know it. To me it screams corruption and its not right. A tie breaker should be an elected position, such as an at-large seat as was suggested. I think the majority of the board needs attitude adjustments, and lessons on respect for fellow members.
100% agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by otto_man
Do you know how procedure like this usually works? It's usually the chairman who is the tie-breaker, I can imagine the uproar if Ted were to have that position. I never said he was disrespectful to me, he wasn't from the exchange we had, can't say he was at all and not claiming he is outside of the board or heard anything to suggest otherwise - but as his actions as a board member? Not so, he's as bad as Cornett and you can't say the 5 are out of line either..when do they ever do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by otto_man
Well I would be upset, I wouldn't see it as corruption, I see nothing corrupt about it - if it's legal, which I have no doubt it is and will stand up in court, what's corrupt about it. No the people didn't elect this guy, but they elected the ones who chose him and they didn't elect a do-nothing board that couldn't even get the most basic motions passed. For this board to be deadlocked, as it is with the BOS, it would be even more of a disaster for this county. But with all of that said, I'd never be on that side of such a common sense issue, when all facts/statistics say we have to close some schools....I wouldn't let school pride and emotion blind me to that extent. I couldn't ever go against something that's so clear in helping kids and giving them so many more opportunities in life. I support education too much to ever be on that other side.
I wouldn't be against an at-large method, but that would take months to even set up, what are we supposed to do until then? One has to be appointed now, the rules allow for it. If this is wrong, how would an elected tie-breaker not go against the rules either using their argument? They say that it doesn't allow for one, so that would apply to anyone no matter how they got the position, but it doesn't go against the rules period so it's a moot point.
if they weren't losing a seat in april, they would not have appointed a tie-breaker. U know it, I know it, everyone does. If this were republican vs democrats on the BOS and the republicans pulled something like that, u'd have a freaking cow and u know it. I know I would, just because I agree with majority of the school board, does not mean I have to agree with the underhandedness of what they did.
So you are sure that the pro side will lose a member ? Who is running?........I think the at large member is the best option But I understand that the anti- side has but one goal delay delay delay and a 4-4 tie would work out to the same thing as a majorty for them and there goals......I personaly think the tie-breaker is a good option but ONLY in the short term I think that the ball needs to get rolling on getting a 9th member or redistricting down to 7 (but that is just me)Quote:
Originally Posted by otto_man
How many districts does Wise Co have now?:D And when folks are talking about letting the "chairman" vote, does that mean the member that is chairman now doesn't vote at present? Seems as if the moral majority is only "moral" as long things go their way. We still need to improve schools. Renovate them all or build new ones. The first estimate was 54 mil, during the Basham era (to renovate). Wonder how much the same work would cost today.
If there wasn't the danger of it, no it wouldn't be an issue, you all act like this is some secret or someone has tried to hide it. Though the more I see, IMO it will be a moot point, Greear has a lot of support in the 4th. Dude, stuff like this goes on all the time, one side uses stall/delay measures while the other tries to bypass it...it DOES happen all the time, so no I wouldn't have a cow. I'm all for productivity continuing, without this the schools are screwed in every single way not even with consolidation in the picture and it's completely legit...not my fault some are ****ed because they won't get to delay and further hold the educations of wise co. kids hostage anymore so they can keep rooting for their bulldogs, deacons, widlcats etc on Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by otto_man