Pending Shutdown

Let me start by saying that I put this on the non sports forum as I don't feel this is a political subject.

I have two daughters, one married to an army officer, the other married to an air force sergeant. Both of these fine young men stand to lose their paychecks because of this current budget crisis. Not only that, but the commisary, which one of my daughters depend on while in germany along with the DOD school my grandchildren attend, are scheduled to be closed if either this budget, or a "stop-gap" resolution isn't passed. All this time, my sons-in-law will still proudly serve, not just because they are required to, but because of their sense of responsibility. Even though I do favor along the line of being conservative and do believe that we need to bring our budget under control, I don't believe we need to hold the lives of our servicemen and women in such a way as to reduce their morale even further. Afterall, what is going through the minds of the ones who are on the battlefield? They don't need to worry about if their family is being taken care of.

Just letting people out there know that the shut down will hit closer to home than the average person thinks. Let's all hope that congress gets its act together and passes a budget to keep paying our servicemen and women.

Last of all, I know that certain individuals will be jumping on here wanting to blame one group or another, please don't do that. It, in reality is all of congress's fault for this predicament.

I'm not blaming either side, what I am going to say is that neither of your s-i-l's will stop getting a paycheck with a .gov shutdown. The only things that will be stopped are non-essentials, military not being one of those. The biggest majority of people won't even know it's happening and won't really be effected at all. Does anyone even remember the same thing happening in 1995-96?

might want to read further, Beast...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shutd...ry?id=13308591

What I was trying to say is that they aren't going to "lose their paycheck" they will still get it but it will/could be delayed. I would guarantee if nothing else gets decided money will be appropriated for the military so this wouldn't be a problem. Neither side wants anything to do with anything negatively effecting the military.

This whole shutdown crap is a bunch of bull****. I leave next week to go to ****ing afghanistan and they pull this **** and expect us to go over there and do our ****ing job its just rediculous. My next paycheck will be a whole 332 dollars since we are only getting a weeks worth of pay. Hell i have bills that wont be able to get paid on time cause this ****. Obama ****ed the military over when he vetoed the bill to keep military pay during the shutdown. We wont get another check until the shutdown is over. They better pay us god ****ed interest on the money they owe us cause if they over pay us they charge us interest to payback to them. This whole situation has but a lot of military families in a lot of trouble in my unit during the mosst stressful time of being in the army(deployment).

As usual, the 'facta' being pased around are ass backwards. This didn't just come out of nowhere, its already been delayed twice with him signing these temp bills and here we are again. He's not vetoed anything and its him and his party reaching out and bending over backwards to compromise...thank the tea baggers and the gop for not budging andTrying to cut programs altogether that hurt millions, not delaying one check for 3-4 days, which affects might effect my household being my mother is a fed employee.

The troops have already been told that their normal payday will be interrupted if the budget is not passed or a stop-gap is not signed. The commissaries will shut down as of tomorrow morning. The commissary shutdown would be a huge problem, especially for people living overseas with families. If the families have to go out on the economy, it will cost them roughly twice as much for food, etc. For instance, a gallon of milk at the commissary cost 2.75 a gallon, Translate that to the local german economy and that translates to 5.50 a gallon. And forget buying gas for your car over there, it is near 6 bucks a gallon.

And to answer r13, it is both sides fault. Not just one. This is a time when both sides should be blamed. A government shutdown shows a total lack of responsibility on both sides: One side for letting the budget get out of hand, the other for demanding too many cuts at once.

NO this is the dems they did not pass abudget for 2011 they just contnued spending. Check Bortz for that info an confirm. now the dems are turning it on th GOP when they have not did anything in 1 1/2 years.

There's one group protesting the shutdown and another outside chanting 'shut it down, shut it down'. There's also polls that show one side that really isn't against it shutting /doesnt want their party to budge and the other is against the shut down and wants theirs to compromise....guess whicn one is which? Both have SOME blame, but it leans to one side who doesn't want to compromise.

Shutdown avoided!

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Check Bortz for that info an confirm.

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Check with a guy who wrote a book called "The Terrible Truth About Liberals" to find out if he thinks it's the Dems fault for something? I'll get right on to that, thanks.

Moving to the Politics board.

Washington (CNN) – Who won last week's showdown over the federal budget and the government shutdown-that-wasn't?

It looks like the public gives the Democrats more credit for the deal than the Republicans, but it's nothing like the slam-dunk that Bill Clinton scored during the 1995 government shutdown, and it certainly has not been reflected in President Barack Obama's overall approval rating, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday indicates that the budget agreement that prevented a government shutdown is popular, with Americans supporting it by a 58 to 38 percent margin. But there's a partisan divide, with two-thirds of Democrats and a majority of independent voters backing the deal, and Republicans divided.

Read full results HERE.

By a 48 to 35 percent margin, the public thinks Democrats are more responsible than the GOP for the late Friday night agreement, which prevented a shutdown of some government services and offices. And according to the survey, which was conducted Saturday and Sunday, 54 percent say they approve of how the president handled the budget negotiations, compared to only 44 percent who approve of how the Republican leaders in Congress handled themselves last week.

But this doesn't mean Obama gets a political boost from the deal.

"The president's overall approval rating is now 48 percent; in late March, that figure was 51 percent. This is the first time this year that a CNN poll has found his overall approval rating below 50 percent," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "And although President Obama has a ten-point advantage over the GOP leaders on how their handling of the budget negotiations, that's nothing compared to the 30-point advantage President Bill Clinton had over House Speaker Newt Gingrich after the budget showdown in November, 1995."

Back then, 49 percent approved of how Clinton handled those negotiations; only 19 percent approved of how Gingrich handled the deal making.

Speaking of approval ratings, 41 percent approve of how current House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio is handling his duties. Forty-four percent of people questioned say they disapprove of how Boehner's doing as Speaker, with a relatively high 15 percent sure. Significantly for Boehner, 66 percent of Republicans and 61 percent of Tea Party movement supporters think he is doing a good job as Speaker.

"Nonetheless, the GOP rank and file appears to be a bit restless about Friday's budget agreement, while Democrats don't have the same concerns. Did the GOP leaders give up too much in the budget agreement? Only 25 percent of all Americans think so, but that figure rises to 50 percent among all Republicans," says Holland. "Did Obama and the Democrats in Congress give up too much? Only a third of Democrats feel that way."

What about the non-budgetary issues that suddenly became so important in last week's endgame?

The poll indicates that two-thirds think that the federal government should continue to provide funding to Planned Parenthood, although six in ten continue to oppose using public funds for abortions for women who cannot afford them. Currently, federal law prevents any federal funds from being spent on abortions.

According to the survey, seven in ten think the government should continue to provide funds for the Environmental Protection Agency to enforce regulations on greenhouse gases, and only four in ten would favor legislation to prevent the government from spending money to implement the new health care law that Obama signed last year.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...down/?hpt=Sbin

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And the tea-baggers hated the deal/compromise, yet it was Obama's fault? lol

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...arty-movement/

I think it's also kind of funny that the military is so "pissed" at Obama, when he just got them a pay raise last year I believe.

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Originally Posted by R13

Washington (CNN) ? Who won last week's showdown over the federal budget and the government shutdown-that-wasn't?

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fucking hell this is the shit that absolutely kills me. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT WINNING, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT FIXING THIS COUNTRY. (not directed to you R13, you didnt write the article)

If these two jackassed fucked up parties could come together and work together we could dig ourselves out of a hole, but no, its all about pride and seeing who can shove their cock the furthest up the others ass and get a laugh out of it. We are going straight to shit and nobody cares because of foolish pride.

Well it was CNN that did that, it really wasn't winning the thing, but who was seen more in a positive light based on their willingness to compromise - and that was the dems like I said.

Of course the tea-baggers are pissed, Stewart hit it on the head last night on his show when he was talking about that and acted like them saying "Oh, hmmm, I can't support this deal, it didn't fuck enough poor people" or something like that. I'm just going to post their vids from the shows on here from now on.

Some hilarious quotes coming up here in a little while.

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Originally Posted by R13

I think it's also kind of funny that the military is so "pissed" at Obama, when he just got them a pay raise last year I believe.

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Doesn't matter what Obamasiah did last year when this is happening.

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Originally Posted by collegetrumpet2010

Doesn't matter what Obamasiah did last year when this is happening.

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And what's he doing now that would turn them against him?

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Originally Posted by R13

And what's he doing now that would turn them against him?

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Well this may be debatable but if he's screwing them over or they think he's screwing them over then it doesn't mater. If someone is screwing you then it doesn't matter.

The military didn't like it while Bush screwed us either:D if we could just get in a few more tax cuts....wait somebody said that tax cuts would increase the amount of money for the gov....