since they are never ending and there's plenty that aren't contenders, I'm just going to post them all in here, deserves it's own thread :) So I'll post them as them come.
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since they are never ending and there's plenty that aren't contenders, I'm just going to post them all in here, deserves it's own thread :) So I'll post them as them come.
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Looking through the board in the first time in a while shows me that you sir need to get a life haha
Guess that's why I've made about 2-3 posts in like 5 days and most of these threads come from the same day. Not everyone can be as busy as you everyday, wondering the halls of Godwin 5 hours a day. lmao
You have made 10,000 posts in 3.5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
But I don't think his post had anything to do with the amount you post, just what you post about. I would imagine he meant that a 20 year old kid might be more concerned about having fun than worrying about how stupid a political party is.
Maybe, just maybe, he meant you need to have less concerns before you get out into the REAL world, and have REAL problems. I admire your passion for what you believe in, but kid, you're gonna burn yourself out before you get started.
Ever visit larger forums? People post 20+k in about a year, most of it has been arguing back and forth, not 10k talking to myself and a good majority of it came when I first started posting..I post less than half of what I used to.
Lol you think I live on here every hour of the day? I'm in class, then if I don't play ball, I'm here reading, writing, researching and studying during the weekdays mostly - then I get bored and post a shitton of threads and this is what I like to post about. You two just don't like the content, I'm positive if it was me attacking the Dem's, you wouldn't feel that way...I get it.
This is what I'm into, there won't be any "burning out", politics to me is like football or whatever to someone else (though I watch sports as much as the next guy, just not into it as much). This is something that actually matters and because it's rare for people my age to take interest in it, doesn't mean I need to "get a life" lmao, I didn't know there was a set age to stop being apathetic to issues that matter and effect everyone. A thousand apologies I like to watch a debate or just hang with some friends as oppose to the many who go out drinking and acting like dumbshits every weekend or knocking up some girl messing my life up. Or saving up money to buy speakers/ or whatever else for my shitty Cobalt instead of saving up for a brokerage account.
Yeah, I need to get a life huh? All because I'm not apathetic and have interest in what's going on around me and issues that may effect me and WILL effect others. Yup, always wanting to learn and get an education, accomplish goals, make money and be successful are attributes of a person with no life. Hmmm. Ahhh anyway like I said, if I was some conservative blasting liberals/dems...we wouldn't hear a word from you two or some others on here.
i hate to tell ya, but politics arent that important anymore either, all its turned into is which side can piss off the other more. We FINALLY have a president who has moved to the middle and is at least TRYING to stop all the bullshit and nobody can see that. I dont like Obama, I dont like that he came to russell county and told bullshit lies to get votes (supporting the coal industry) he simply has run out of things to do to turn it around. he screwed up early and now he cant fix it, its not his fault but at least he is trying.
It's still important, the public just doesn't take interest, but still complains when they get screwed. And could you repeat what lies he told when he was in Lebanon? Love to hear them.
First up, Mike Pence, he had a few great gems the past few weeks.
His lies about Planned Parenthood, the whole huge fuss over a non-existent issue. But trying to defund Planned Parenthood over his complete and total bullshit.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53043.html
Whoops, Pence lets the truth slip out. lmao Trying to score a victory for the Republican party, eh?
YouTube - Pence Lets The The Truth Slip On His Uncompromising Stance
Next up is John Kyl, who had a whopper. After claiming/lying on the Senate floor that 90% of what Planned Parenthood does are abortions(try 3%), he cleared the air by then releasing a statement that "it was not intended to be a factual statement" rotfl. That has to be the quote of the year.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110413/...ned_parenthood
Paul Broun's gem on FDR, wow.
http://politifact.com/georgia/statem...socialism-sta/
RNC chairman claims "26 million jobs lost under Obama", try a small fraction while unemployment was well on the rise when he took office.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...lost-26-milli/
A few for now.
ok........ he said he supports the coal industry and that their jobs wouldnt have been touched. he got the backing of this region by "backing coal" then out of the blue says that if there is anyway that technology allows us to take coal off the table as a viable means of energy then we will pursue it. Until then clean coal technology is what they needed to pursue <---- the last part is fine and dandy but then saying that he would tax the dog shit out of the coal powered plants until they adopted a newer cleaner technology or shut down............. how the fuck is that helping the coal industry?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-...s-unbelievable
YouTube - Obama/Joe Biden "No Coal Plants Here in America" feature<--------- yeah, thats fine WHEN we have the technology to do it. How can you say you support coal then have your VP running around saying we dont want coal plants in america?
BTW, how in the hell are coal powered plants in china killing our environment? theres ya a gem.
I do like this thread though, I wish you would go back and get some of Bush's horrible gems for us haha.
This region never backed him, I don' recall really any SWVA counties being blue - maybe a few- but I really don't remember any. And if this is the same quote you're talkng about, he never said that, I think you just misread it if these is what you were talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
That's saying we should not keep talkng about doing something about coal or just throw around ideas, but actually pursue and compliment it.
I think the best way to explain the cap-and-trade idea is from 2008, while Senator/POTUS hopeful said this in on of his speeches..
Enormous good came from... industrial growth, and we are all the beneficiaries of the national prosperity it built. But there were costs we weren't counting, and these have added up now, in the atmosphere, in the oceans, and all across the natural world. And what better way to correct past errors than to turn the creative energies of the free market in the other direction? Under the cap-and-trade system, this can happen. In all its power, the profit motive will suddenly begin to shift and point the other way toward cleaner fuels, wiser ways, and a healthier planet. As never before, the market would reward any person or company that seeks to invent, improve, or acquire alternatives to carbon-based energy. It is very hard to picture venture capitalists, corporate planners, small businesses and environmentalists all working to the same good purpose. But such cooperation is actually possible, and this reform will set it in motion.
And from his campaign site...
..proposes a cap-and-trade system that would set limits on greenhouse gas emissions while encouraging the development of low-cost compliance options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options... A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists on the common motive of reducing emissions... The cap-and-trade system would encompass electric power, transportation fuels, commercial business, and industrial business - sectors responsible for just under 90 percent of all emissions. Small businesses would be exempt. Initially, participants would be allowed to either make their own GHG reductions or purchase 'offsets' - financial instruments representing a reduction, avoidance, or sequestration of greenhouse gas emissions practiced by other activities, such as agriculture - to cover 100 percent of their required reductions. Offsets would only be available through a program dedicated to ensure that all offset GHG emission reductions are real, measured and verifiable. The fraction of GHG emission reductions permitted via offsets would decline over time.
Does that make sense? I like it.
my point is, dont come into an area where coal mining is life and say you back coal, when you clearly dont.
All the cap and trade part of that bill did was require them to buy permits for their emissions, then that money used for clean-coal technology - if they didn't buy the permits, they would pay hefty fines/taxes, but the permits really would not be that high at all. This was the whole part of Bouchers Amendment to the bill, since cap and trade was such a tiny part of the much larger bill, he made it to where most of those permits would be free/very low cost...but Griffith ran away with that and said he "co-wrote the bill", but that was his amendment to it and by house rules if you add an amendment like that and it get approved..you have to vote "yes" on the entire bill. Which is why he voted "yes", but again, Griffith took that and ran...and unfortunately the public was not interested in those real facts, just those catchy 30 sec ads and the "Boucher Betrayed Coal" yardsigns did all the swaying they needed. Yeah, us young people are so gullible huh?
But I ask, do you agree or disagree with those quotes I posted last night?
like i said, WHEN we have the clean coal burning technology then yes, tax the absolute and utter dog fuck out of anyone that doesnt conform to those standards, but taxing people because they cant afford a new technology or a technology hasnt been developed yet is a bad idea and would absolutely have killed coal mining. Beyond that, I agree with all of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
this is all the past so it doesnt matter anyhow, but Biden did tell an eco freak that there would be NO new coal plants built in america while they were well would potentially be in office. he said to ship it overseas. this all has nothing to do with the point i was making though, which was......... do not come into an area where you know the backbone of the economy (sadly) is coal mining and tell the people that you are all about coal mining, when in reality you do not support it at all.
So I just can't keep it in anymore, those quotes I posted earlier were not from Senator/Presidential hopeful Barack Obama...they were from Senator/Presidential hopeful John McCain, from a stump speech in Nevada and his campaign website in 2008. What most people around here don't know is that McCain has been a big proponent of cap and trade legislation for years, before Obama was even in the Senate he was pushing for it. But people don't care enough to check the facts, they just assumed McCain was against it, when really he's a bigger supporter of it then Obama.
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Originally Posted by R13
Are you sure you can say he is a bigger supporter? Seems like both are pretty much for it the same amount, and the ideas sure didn't benefit McCain any, but he didn't put his feet down in the area and proclaim to be for the coal producers, yet support legislation that can hinder our area.
A very good example of how voters were trapped with a damned if you do, damned if you don't vote last year. I was glad Obama won. I still don't see what other alternative we were given. I am also very, very, very disappointed in his performance as president, and I'm certainly not alone in that view.
Exactly. I wasn't feeling great about any of our options in 2008. I hope their better in 2012, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
R13 do you expect Clinton to replace Biden on the ticket?
Yup, he's been proposing cap and trade legislation for 8 years, Obama never even really pushed it - he certainly mentioned it, but was never anything close to a big priority. And I don't remember that speech with him listing all of what he'd do for that industry at all, in the lebanon or bristol appearance, so I'm not getting the contradiction? That legislation gives these companies big incentives for reducing their emissions and allows them to sell their permits to other companies too, the caps would be lowered over decades, not next year or anything. That whole bill creates a lot of jobs anyway, the green jobs that will be here much longer than the coal will be. As someone who has a family full of miners and retired miners, we need to get away from it as much as possible, there's a reason this area is the way it is now...coal runs out, its never something to base your entire economy around and that's what we did.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
And no, no chance at all of Clinton replacing Biden.
I doubt anybody understood anything he said in Bristol
YouTube - Obama can't talk without reading a script
I thought we had enough coal to last another 100-200 years here in America?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
I had saw rumors of Clinton possibly replacing Biden. It would make sense to me given Biden is as much of a hinderance as he is a help.
cant keep it in anymore? was this supposed to be some kind of ploy to make me say oh gyah gyah i hate cap and trade blah blah blah, when in reality I never said it was such a horrible thing............ WHEN WE HAVE BETTER TECHNOLOGY. fact is, right now coal powers this country and thats the way it is. BTW, I agree, Mccain was big on cap and trade, thats not really a surprise to anyone, so what exactly were you trying to prove?Quote:
Originally Posted by R13
oh and BTW, the quotes i posted WERE from Sen. Obama, I was wondering why you were straying so far away from what i was talking about anyway. I simply made the point that he came to russel county claiming to back the coal industry and he clearly doesnt. You asked me to provide you Info on how he lied when he came here, and I clearly did that.
In SWVA?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
I wish, I wished that way back before he picked Biden, but IMO it was really sort of paying her back for the campaign she ran against him. He picked him to balance the ticket on mainly foreign policy, but now that Clinton has some experience there, it would be perfect for her to be...but it's not happening. Him replacing Biden would be jumped on by every GOP contender/pundit/politician in the country too. Biden talks too much, that's his problem. He's very intelligent and experienced, he just keeps rambling on until he says something dumb, but he's not the least bit unqualified for the position. A political liability sometimes, but he's no Palin in the sense of everyone should gtfo if something happened to Obama.
It wasn't really directed towards you at all, just the fact I had get it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
You haven't proved anything about how he lied, there has to be a lie. I'm pretty sure all he talked about in Lebanon was this very thing, I know for sure he talked about implementing clean coal technology. It's not like he started this whole thing, the Supreme Court did that. The bill isn't anti-coal, it's only aim is lowering pollution, not "lets stop coal". The cap and trade part was only a small part of the actual bill to begin with. The bill mostly is for creating green-jobs and improving the environment, because coal plants aren't exactly eco-friendly and would have to cut down on their emissions...doesn't mean anyone is trying to shut them down. With Bouchers amendments and negotiations that did things like lowering the cap from 20% to 17%, making the permits free and providing 2 billion tons in offsets (for example the companies can invest in rainforest projects that offset what they are emitting)...the bill really would have little effects on the companies.
Mitt's recent gem, Obama's "peacetime spending" is out of control.
Romney: Obama responsible for huge `peacetime’ spending binge - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
Trump is a complete joke, really going to have a speech full of f-bombs and wants to be president? It wouldn't matter if it was an accident, who cares, but actually having it in your speech? lmao
Trump’s f-bomb tirade – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Palin mocking Couric, even though the woman never did anything to her but ask her simple questions and because she's so clueless and couldn't answer...Couric is just some liberal biased reporter?
Palin mocks Couric over CBS exit – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
Still trying to attack the Wisconsin workers fighting for their rights, GOP state Senator gets his windshield cracked from a rock while driving and claimed the protesters vandalized his car.
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin Sen. Dan Kapanke says protesters at the Capitol damaged the windshield of his car
A few recent ones, not 3 year old youtube vids about dumb slip ups, probably look up some more tonight
I didn't say in SWVA, but in America. Although a good percentage will still come from the Appalachian region, and plenty is still able to be mined here. Our fearless leader was the one who stated America still had 100-200 years worth of coal production available.