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In everyone's opinion.......which school would be the most coveted position for anyone to have in Group A, Region D and Group AA, Region IV to coach at for this sport:
Football
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You can answer multiple times for this................
In everyone's opinion.......which school would be the most coveted position for anyone to have in Group A, Region D and Group AA, Region IV to coach at for this sport:
Football
I don't know but I think the best football combination in Wise Co would be a combined school of JIB & JJK.
Can you imagine the team 15 years ago if it was a combined PV-Appy school?
It would have been hard for some local NCAA Division II schools to handle PV and Appy about 15 years ago if they were combined.
I believe the 97 combined PV/AHS or the 95 combined team would beat UVa-Wise, or at least gave them a great game.
I disagree.....While those teams were GREAT folks REALLY underestimate the step up in compaction that collage isQuote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
The local NAIA and NCAA Division II schools aren't that much of a step up sportswise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
Yes it is......and by a good margen to boot......In the PV senerio Would Jones have been the best player on the field? Probably but the game would have still been over before halftime becouse position by position the Collage team would be Bigger,Faster , Stronger and just betterQuote:
Originally Posted by sup-rbeast
Maybe compared with what little talent goes through the LPD now days..but in 1997...nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
LOL Still STRONGLY disagree Jones is a no brainer however just look at a situation like Robbins the all everything PV QB who was the best QB to ever come out of PV (Yes Duncon was good but he was no Robbins) but could not crack the UVA-Wise starting lineup till his Sr yearQuote:
Originally Posted by sup-rbeast
Just from personal experience but when I got to Emory & Henry instead of having 5-10 players who could play in HS you had 120 that could play..... I have to agree with Counts on this one, even though those teams were amazing I don't think they would have contended with Emory, which is a small D-III school. Granted in the late 90's E&H was pretty impressive.
Counts you are forgetting though, if you take the 97 teams, you have someone much better than Robbins at QB of that team. Travis would have been the QB, who was recruited by VT, started at UVA-Wise and EKU during his career. You have a D1 RB in Julius, a UVA Wise contributor in Travis Clark. A D1 TE in Josh Warren. Did Ricky Sturgill and Jamie Jessee start at UVA-Wise at one point also as lineman and LB? Was Keith Davis a LB at PV on that team who played at ETSU? Sure there were spots to fill, but you have higher talent levels on those two teams combined than what UVA-Wise put on the field in 97. E&H would have probably been tougher, but you take that 1997 combined team and I could see them going 8-2 or so against UVA-Wise head to head and maybe 4-6 or 5-5 againt E&H. E&H had much better lineman on both sides of the ball than UVA-Wise at that point in time is why I think they would have been tougher.
I know on the undefeated UVA-Wise team in 96 a buddy of mine was in the 3 or 4 man rotation at DT and started a few games as a freshman in that rotation, and he wasn't anything special to be honest.
Those PV/AHS teams of 97/98 had like 10-15 guys who went on to play college ball at different places. Its not like it was Juice and a bunch of scrubs. Youd have serious talent on the HS side.
Well you have to remember that Brad spent time at WKU and was behind the best QB in UVa-Wise history. Hippeard holds every big time record up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
I can agree with most of that, good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
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Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Again I do not argee 1st off I did not realize we were combinding teams however the PV/Appy combo still would not win ANY games vs UVA-Wise OR Emory......Besides JJ there would be several players that would become starters in collage but NOT RIGHT AWAY
As for UVA-Wise and there weak D-Line Going 1 way with a rotation Plus being 19-22 years old as opposed to 15-18 Years old would LOOK MUCH better vs a HS OLINE
The thing is, Appy especially, had so many holdbacks some were 19 at this time. Turner was 1 year ahead of me in school and 3 years older than me. The talent that these two teams had in the upper classes led to very developed players playing only. If you were a SO and started, you were something else. With players starting only 1 way here is roughly what a team could have looked like (and my memory will miss a couple Im sure);Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
I formation offense:
QB Travis Turner
TB Julius Jones
FB Josh Fleenor
WR Victor Williams (I think this was the name from PV)
FL Travis Wells
TE Josh Warren
T Kelvin Davis
G ??Jason?? Hargrave
C Luke Gilley
G #76 Appy ( I am thinking he was a Needham/Varner or Mabe)
T Doug Gibson
4-3 Defense
DT Darby Younce
DT Shea Chapman
DE Jamie Jessee
DE Ricky Sturgill
LB Don Dorton
LB Keith Davis
LB Derrick Clark
CB Travis Clark
CB Michael Prewitt
S Matt McCoy
S Josh Callahan
Theres still a couple of quality lineman still available for either side of the ball or we could move off a different TE and put Warren at DE instead if need be. It would have been flat out nasty.
I really disagree. You have might have 1 or 2 players on either side of the line, OL or DL, that couldnt play at UVAW but the rest of the team would be a powerhouse.
Its not like the UVAW kids would be that much older, if you combine PV/AHS you would have most likely senior starters at each position on both sides of the line.
To look at it this way, the combined team would have a D1 QB, a NFL RB, a D1 TE/DE, a D1 LB, talent everywhere.
Emory was really good at that time, but I do believe the PV/AHS team beats UVAW at least 5 times out of 10.
Now I know you are on crack...If Duncan had stood back there and thrown 45 passes a game (he only threw MAYBE 10-15 times per game), he would have blown Brad's numbers out of the water. I guess an All-State Selection and 2 State Titles isn't as good as passing for 3,000 yards on 500 attempts. To each his own I guess..but I put Duncan AND Blagg over Brad Robbins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
Thinking back, in 97 if you had combined PV/Appy/Lee/GC, UVA-Wise would may have beat them once in 10 tries. E&H maybe twice. That would have been one ridiculous team.
LOL I figered i would get a rise out of you on that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by sup-rbeast
I STILL stand by both my comments 97 VA-Wise > 97 PV AND Robbens was a better QB than Duncan
I will throw in that I DO think 90 PV > 97 PV
At least ya got the last bit right....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Counts
UVA-Wise vs. Just PV I agree with you, but that wasn't what this started as. It started as PV/Appy combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counts
98 PV was better than 97 PV anyway, and I believe most feel like that was the best team PV had. Seems like I remember Phil saying that in the paper before when talking about all his state title teams in the last year or so.
Ain't much difference between 97 and 98 PV.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Not much, but most of the top players on the 97 team were juniors. 98 was just a year older and stronger physically.
The starters were basically the same tho...so I basically consider them the same. The same can more or less be said for 94-95 too. The 89-90 repeat was odd tho in that 14 starters were replaced after the 89 season...there were a few good players on that 89 team that hardly ever saw the field because of the depth of the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
Still think it would not even be a close game. (Men playing boys)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
As for PV97/98 vs PV90 - I STILL think 90PV was better (Not 10 out of 10 better but at least 7 out of 10) .......
(1)90 PV was VERY balanced 98 PV was the Jones show on Offence
(2) 90PV was able to 2 Platoon with no dropoff 98 PV had several key players going both ways and that would start to show in the 2nd half
(3)90 PV had what could possably have been the best short yardage Package I have ever seen (that would include Appys and GCs 3 yards and a cloud of dust years) 98 PV had Jones who was not a physical runner
(4) 90 PV was MUCH DEEPER than 98 PV
I haven't commented in awhile...not had the time
Gotta laugh at the idea of this. I will definitely agree that there was some talent in that combination, how many of those guys got a chance or look from a college? Now I'm not saying that there wasn't good athletes, but for the general part, a college team has more. Now if you wanna take 20-24 guys and say thats your roster, then sure, maybe that combined time would win. Problem is they don't have a 24 man roster, they have 50-60? And those low end college players are still or were still another high schools 'better player'. Now could they play with them? Probably. And with the wonderful world of turnovers or other factors, who knows but all things being equal, they probably get ran down and it is similar time matchup to watching say Pound play Gate City or Powell Valley some years. They can battle for a half, or longer, but numbers tend to win out in time.
Out of all those guys who were on that team(s), a few did play college ball and/or a bit more. Thats is understandable but I think we tend to over-inflate some who were 'good' high school players and make them more than they were. They looked great due to being a talent against a lot lesser talents.
It's the same idea of 'stud' prospect in baseball or basketball. Sometimes those guys who dominate the level below, go up that one more step and look very mediocre or worse.