New Megadeth - Full Song - now hosted

Check it out guys! Go to www.megadeth.com -- there's a song off the new album up on the front page. If there was any doubt before how Vinnie would do with the double bass, it has to be dismissed now. I'm really excited to hear the rest of the album after this tidbit.


Well, since the Megadeth site is down, I've put this song on my hosting space. Here's a link to it:

New Song

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ May 08, 2004 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Manos ]</font></font>

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 08, 2004 10:39 AM: Message edited by: Manos ]</font>

Oooh, this will be interesting! Thanks. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Awesome! Thanks Manos!

Thanks a ton Manos, this is awesome!

WOW... Vinnie is THE chamaleon...

Pushing boundaries with Zappa, swinging with Chick Corea, grooving a pocketful with Chaka Khan, playing it FREE with Iden Aysen, displaying Erskine-like Poetry with Alan Pasqua, playing Pop tune in 5/8 with Sting...

And now Heavy Metal with Megadeath... Convincingly speeking... [img]wink.gif[/img]

Speechless Folks................ [img]eek.gif[/img]

A true unique blessing Vinnie is to the Drum Community, a true inspiration for all to keep going at it. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] And yes, he'll say it himself, he was imparted with a gift, a gift from above.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 09, 2004 12:44 AM: Message edited by: beat Hit ]</font>

Whoa!! [img]eek.gif[/img]

This gives me a musical stiffy

Good God!!!! Is that Vinnie ????


Kewll [img]tongue.gif[/img]


He's the king in my book!!!

Yes, who would've guessed?

Holy crap.............

That Vinnie could smoke the metal shouldn't be surprising to anyone in here...
I never had any doubts, after listening to him aft all these yrs in many diff situations...heck, Joe's Garage, SUNPYG, Vanelli's Nightwalker, & Sting discs & live [while not of this genre, still-] explained it all WAY back...look, a 'fusion' ['many diff styles'] guy of VC's calibre can play a lot of diff styles convincingly...you can just HEAR it, no matter what genre you're listening to, that he would be very capable of...i had no doubt whatsoever, ever [not that most of you in here did, either] ;c)...

...& too all the 'wonder if the fusion guy can cut it' naysayers, i have a few faces for ya's: [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/gulp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/cry_smile.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

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What I really like about Vinnie, is that no matter how much you listen to him, or how many records with him you have, he always find ways to surprise you......
IMO very few players can do that (and at that level), especially after so many years (and records, tapes, videos etc.).

edit: I think I'm starting to enjoy Megadeth music [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 09, 2004 03:55 PM: Message edited by: Pedro G ]</font>

There is the quote from Tony when he remarks about true musicians and versatility. Where he talks of playing a pop gig one day, country the next, metal on the next day, then jazz...
When i talked to him after a clinic he used that quote, he termed it as "I want to be able to play a country gig and then the next day play with Megadeth..."
I guess we can now shorten that quote to just six letters: VINNIE!

It's hi-larious to think about Vinnie recording this shit with traditional grip.

Fuse wrote:

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"That Vinnie could smoke the metal shouldn't be surprising to anyone in here...
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Totally agree there...

Not surprised at all, but still can't deny the AWE of actually listening to him doing it. Making you realise how great he really is... Once again.

I'm as big a Vinnie fan as anybody but I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M READING HERE!

Ostracize me from HOD----I've listened to that track over and over and that's some of the lamest playing I've ever heard Vinnie do. Somebody tell me the EXACT second he plays some slick stuff in Kick The Chair. Double bass with some cymbal accents, gimme a break!

Charisma me, give me the Pasqua bootleg anyday, slug me with the Chick Corea stuff, exile me to Zappa Island, this is Unreel.

Vinnie wears a lot of hats, agreed, some of them crowns, but this ain't what everybody's purporting it to be.

Convincingly means (to me)... He's playing it according to what the style is calling for. He is NOT a Metal specialist, that's for sure. But I listen to that track and I hear Metal Drumming... He's not smoking with his Double Bass in a Donati kinda way, but yet, he still delivers what the tune is calling for... No one is saying that this is THE BEST Metal Drumming around... At least, I am not saying that. It's the fact that he is an awesome Chameleon and that tune demonstrates that.

Some could say the same of his Latin playing, he's no El Negro, but he can still make a convincing statement in Latin, so can he make one playing Metal.

As you said so well Five Eight, he wears crowns and hats... Not many drummers can claim the same achievments.

Of course he's not going to sound like he's playing with Pasqua. This is Vinnie in a musical setting so far left of what he has been doing recently that it's a nice breath of fresh air . I'm sure he's playing for the producer as well.
He's really taking a chance (with his career) with this one and I think he sounds great for the gig and I believe it's going to help him actually turn on a younger demographic.
It's not a blowing recording but I bet -

on a live gig he would smoke all of the 16 year olds out of the stadium.

and definately some of us older folk! I just don't expect him to tour with this band.

I'd love to see him play this live to see how many liberties he would take! It would bring heavy/speed/thrash/hardcore/fullbore metal (or whatever it's called these days) to new heights if they would let him go.


Think about all the records he's been on and this one is just so far left. We at HOD are lucky to hear some of the finer drummistic moments of Vinnie and are wayyyyyyyy spoilt.

Remember, he's played with Paul Anka, Faith Hill, Celine Dion, Barry Manilow to make a living- not to mention the Zappas and Chicks etc...

I'm glad he's had a chance to play with these guys ! -And so late in his career.

I think it's kewl.

Word on the street is that Mustaine asked Vinnie if he'd be up for a tour, and Vinnie said yes.

He's playing exactly what he needs to and is supposed to. Tell me the slick stuff he plays with Faith Hill and with SheDaisy? There aren't Vinnie-isms all over the place, what you hear is the drum part that FITS the music. I give him props for not gettin' all "Vinnie" all over the track; setting aside the chops to play what is the right drum part for a Megadeth tune. I would do something dumb like try and shred the shit all over a metal tune, not Vinnie, he's too good for that.

Vinnie plays well but I am not impressed at all!
Other guy's would pull off this stuff WAY more convincingly. Vinnie is one of my GUY'S for sure
but he hit's and misses like everyone does. Just because he can jump into metal and do it O.K. does not move me at all, and I will say it whether it is Vinnie or not. He is just another player to me, Amazing as he is! If it was another drummer there would not be any amazement.
Maybe we are kind of impressed to hear him pull off some fairly weak double bass I do not know. Leave this playing to other's. Go ahead guy's SLAY me I can take it [img]biggrin.gif[/img] I know it is VINNIE the annointed one I am talking about.

Dig

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Originally posted by Digital Man:
If it was another drummer there would not be any amazement.

Dig

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Very true.

You have a valid point that he's not doing anything out of the ordinary on this track . My point is simply that he was asked to play with them . Why did they ask Vinnie when there are so many other guys out there that could do it and possibly better? And why was he asked to play with the Commodores, Leonard Cohen, Ray Charles, Duran Duran, Djavan, Al Cooper etc... [img]rolleyes.gif[/img] His resume and concept of fitting in to many situations is second to none.

I think it's kewl that he even did it. When it comes to this type of drumming, I still think the underrated hero is Ken Mari from House of Lords, he totally got the shaft in terms of recognition due to the many 'hair' bands that were around at the time HOL cam eonto the scene.
Ken can run circles around many of the rock/metal drummers out there including being able to do the really hip poly and ostinato stuff.

Well...I for one think that he did a great job on this track. Although I think the song is weak.

The fact that he pulls it off is a testament to his versatility and dedication to the instrument.

True... other's might have added some thrills, but he might have been asked to keep it rather straight.

Also, try to remember that Vinnie is not some 20 yr. old kid who can play 64th note foot patterns for 5 hours. He is in his 50's. So give him a little slack...Let's see what he did on the rest of the album.

I think there are probably one or 2 very important reasons why Dave asked Vinnie to play that were personal to Dave aside from Vinnie being a Wonderful drummer. And I agree with Randy's point 100 percent, very true!

Dig

Vinnie's not in his 50's. And besides, with triggered bass drums, he'd be as fast as any death metal drummer out there, imo. Live, you know it would be killer, [img]wink.gif[/img]

http://www.electricmountain.com/

How old is Vinnie Exactly?

Many say he auditioned for Zappa when he was 19? so he's like in his mid-40's now?

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Originally posted by Pedro G:
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What I really like about Vinnie, is that no matter how much you listen to him, or how many records with him you have, he always find ways to surprise you...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is the most accurate statement about Vince that has ever been said, and is the main reason he has been my favorite and remains my favorite.

Ok, that aside, here's an opinion coming from someone who is an old school Thrash/Speed/Death Metal fan (and still am) along with being a Vinnie fan. From a Thrash Metal drumming standpoint, it's true, this is nothing at all extraordinary. That tempo of double bass is VERY mild compared to much of what's in that genre of music. Now, with that said, the reason I like what he's doing here is because A) he's tighter than a mesquito's ass on the track, and B) the groove during the choruses (use the beat at :40 as the reference) is nice. Yes, it's very straightforward, but his pocket and feel on something as simple as that is what gives him what I feel would be a slight edge over most Thrash/Metal drummers. As a Metal fan, the song is decent, but nothing great. (personal note: but it IS better than the dribble Dave's been putting out over the last decade or so for the most part)

Kick The Chair is Vinnie?!

I have always thought he had
kick-ass kicks but this?!

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LOL!

Let's also remember that there
ACTUALLY ARE Metal drummers
out there that are doing the
drums a service in pushing the
envelope down under. I will be
the first to say that I don't
like all the sounds I hear but
that does not take away from
what's being done.

Of course, it's Vinnie...

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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 11, 2004 03:16 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>

Great comment Pedro, and I agree with you Plaid.

That he did the recording is just further proof of his ridiculous all-around ability. His feel and ideas will take the music to a level an ordinary metal drummer could never reach.

According to MD, Vinnie turned 48 in February.

Sounds pretty much in the pocket to me, and theres more stuff going on than some may think. And like most of Vinnies's stuff its like a good film... you have to check it more than once to appreciate it.

Im sure he will have spouted horns and a tail on some of the other cuts! [img]graemlins/devil.gif[/img]

Ok...I'm off by 2 years....sorry [img]frown.gif[/img]

LOL, i just knew this thread would 'start something' [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
You guys made some great points about it not being too extraordinary for some of the really aggressive metal that's been out...& then the great points about his feel & tightness...Plaid used the comment "tighter thn a mosquito's..."; i used to say, "...than a gnat's-ats" LOL
Sure, guys like Virg, Mangini, Marco, Lang, DiCenso, Jarzombek, Vinnie Paul, Scott Travis, Flam-Triplet[ [img]biggrin.gif[/img] ], etc could smoke this gig AW...

I don't mean to rub anyone the wrong way, but i feel this is Vinnie backing down the jets to fit the style [& don't worry, guys, I haven't missed the point [img]wink.gif[/img] ] ...he has good DB chops, but we all know who the real guns are in DB...but conceptually, as a drummer period, you cannot out-concept Vinnie, rhythmically; no, not evn Virg, because Virg is "of the Vinnieness" [in his own way] first ;c) :cp

Randy is 100% correct about Ken; i was into him back in the HOL & David Chastain "melodic metal speed guitar" daze... a very good [& underrated] drummer...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 14, 2004 03:54 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

I popped on the Megadeth tune and I am very psyched to see what Mustaine has in store.

I was a fan of Nick Menza's playing on Rust in Peace. There were some pretty tricky changes on that disc and he played them with balls and power.

Vinnie can play with balls and power and I wonder if this will bring Mustaine back to the hyperfast convolutions he used to write.

But if it's a disc full of those dumb straight ahead Megadeth songs, then it's a waste to bring Vinnie on board.

After listening to Kick The Chair a million times (I've always been a huge Megadeth fan), I can tell that there's a LOT more going on drumming-wise in the song that we think. It sounds to me like they turned the toms down big-time in the mix during some parts. Like during the guitar solo at the end (after about 3:40 towards the end) the I can hear some small tom rolls and hits that are turned down, but clearly there if you listen closely. I think he even matches the double-bass with toms at the beginning but they are low in the mix. It's hard to tell. I hope this isn't the final mix, but I think it is. Either way, his timing is amazingly perfect, almost too-perfect- it's stiff. However, in straight ahead metal like this, that's what it calls for. I'm sure Vinnie kicks ass on the entire album.