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A few years back, I tried to renew my Driver's License. I didn't have anything to PROVE my SS#, so I couldn't renew it. I asked what I needed. They said that a W-2 would do. I said that I don't get W-2's because I'm self-employed. I brought back something that showed my SS# as my "taxpayer Id number". That wasn't good enough. It had to say "SS #". I think on my third try, I'd found my passport, and THIS clerk told me that the other clerk had been full of it.
[a href="http://www.impactpress.com/articles/decjan02/musings12102.html"]National Id[/a]
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Heh. I guess I need to read up on those UBB codes.
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Hyperlinks are a little different with UBB codes.
National Id
So, why didn't you just bring your Social Security card? If you don't have one, you should contact your local SS office.
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I didn't have my SS card at the time. I'd lost it when I was 16. Some time AFTER all this happened, my ex sent me the SS card I was sent after my name changed when I got married. He'd found it while looking for something else.
There was a time when we didn't need the card, so it just stayed in the file or the safety deposit box. We've noticed of late that it isn't enough to know your number. Even employers want to see the card. [It's around her somewhere now.]
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Probably the employers need to see the card as part of their compliance program with INS regulations.
A few years ago the Department of Justice started a crackdown on illegal workers and have a list of documents that an employee must provide to the employer before they can legally begin work. It doesn't seem to have stopped illegal immigrants from getting employment but has probably done wonders for the forged documents industry. The whole thing is a real pain in the ass especially when dealing with summer employees when you have a kid come in for a job and you have to ask them to provide social security cards, birth certificates, etc. when you have known them since they were born.
Compliance with the law probably varies from employer to employer but in our business compliance with federal and state laws is something we are audited for on an annual basis so we jump thropugh the hoops.
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Anita, the acquisition and maintenance of SS cards has a distinct gender bias, due to the fact that men don't usually have cause for legal changes to their surname. (Exception made for some of the men who post here!)
I had a SS card in my maiden name. Got married, got a new SS card. Got divorced, had my name legally changed back to my maiden name, didn't get a new SS card. Got married again, didn't get a new SS card. Got divorced again (shame on me...no more marriages in my fortune cookie!), changed name back to maiden name, didn't get a new SS card.
Now, in order to get a new, legitimate SS card, I would have to appear in person at a SS office with documents, including proof of:
- <LI> My birth certificate (don't have it)
<LI> My first divorce
<LI> My legal name change to my maiden name
<LI> My second marriage
<LI> My second divorce
<LI> My second legal name change to my maiden name.
It just hasn't been worth the trouble.
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Between my bungling the link and mentioning SS, I think we seem to have lost track of the original question. What do you think of a National ID card?
Washington Post Article on it
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Anita:
My SS card was paper. I lost it back in the 60's. Well, I didn't actually lose it. I was on a backpacking trip. We had to cross the upper reaches of the Rio Grande. Everything in my wallet that was paper, dissolved. Lost a few presidents that day. That was that.
They don't actually need the card. They can take your checking or saving account number, your employee number, etc, and find you SS number. They can also get it from your arrest record if you have one. ;< )
It is a national ID.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
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Anita, a lot of people think we already have a national ID card. It's called a SS card. What do I think of a national ID card? Per my previous post, for me it has been a PITA. I supposed if we had a second national ID card that served the same function a SS already does, I'd have to go through 12 steps instead of the 6 I mentioned above. Sorry for the thread drift.
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No, no, no. I'm against it. (1) I doubt it will stop terrorists especially not those that are already here. (2) Let's just have a card for NON-citizens. For the citizens let's leave well enough alone.
"One of the most practical of our present safeguards of privacy is the fragmented nature of personal information. It is scattered in little bits across the geography and years of our life. Retrieval is impractical and often impossible. A central data bank removes completely this safeguard." Congressman Frank Horton
This latest incarnation of the National ID card is the brainchild of Larry Ellison. Let it begin and end with him.
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Paper: I think Deb hit on the points I was trying to make. The proposed National ID card is NOTHING like the SS card [on which it clearly states that this card may NOT be used for identification.]
Proposals include fingerprints, the obligatory picture, retinal scans, and a chip that includes all the information available for you since practically BIRTH.
It would be used for identification purposes and who knows what else? Police COULD stop you on the street and ask for it.
Personally, I'm still struggling with the privacy issues involved with the Kroger card and Albertson's card. I've heard of people getting them under false names, but I wasn't astute enough to try that.
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"on which it clearly states that this card may NOT be used for identification."
Doesn't actually say that anymore.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
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Doesn't actually say that anymore.
That must have been the Torquemada Provision. "We can do whatever we want, whenever we want, and you can't do a thing about it."
Isn't that the point, here ?
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DebS:
I don't actually remember what it says now. One of my students showed me one a while ago.
To paraphrase, while not intended for identification it can be used as such if agreed to by the holder and other parties.
While cleaning, I found my grandfathers SS card. He got it when the program started. It is solid copper with embossed information. Doesn't seem to say anything about identification. I think that I will clean it up and frame it. It is quite pretty.
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
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While not intended for identification it can be used as such if agreed to by the holder and other parties
I don't recall anyone asking for my agreement... much less any third parties who've used the ID# to set up their databases.
Blue Cross requires your SS# and then incorporates it into your Blue Cross ID#. If I refused to allow it *for that purpose*, would I be denied insurance, I wonder? I don't know of anyone who has tested this, but it would be interesting to find out.
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Uh, if that is indeed the wording...
And if it's NOT the wording, well then.... it almost doesn't matter WHAT the wording is, if you see what I mean. :-)
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Yep Deb S:
By accepting Blue Cross, you have given tacit agreement; as I understand it. When you have given it one time, it goes forever. That is why I said that, IMHO, it is an national ID. Others may argue. Particulary Anita. ;o))) Hell, my employee ID is my SS number.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
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Yep Deb S:
By accepting Blue Cross, you have given tacit agreement; as I understand it. When you have given it one time, it goes forever. That is why I said that, IMHO, it is an national ID. Others may argue. Particulary Anita. ;o))) Hell, my employee ID is my SS number.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
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Z: There's NO WAY that a SS card or number will be used as a national ID. There's no picture associated with it, and no indication of the age of the holder.
My girls went out last night to do the Jenna/Barbara Bush thing. The oldest one is of age, but the other is only 20. #1 got #2 a driver's license that SOME folks thought looked like her. *I* didn't think it looked like her AT ALL, but who am *I*? She got into the club and they partied until dawn. I wonder now whether I should call her Birgit or Amanda. She intends to go out Friday night again as Amanda.
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Anita:
You aren't really that "ni---eve". There is a difference between drinking underage and being identified. Send me your checking account number and I will send you your SS number.
No not really, I am not interested [hell I already have a satelite view of your home that someone sent me; I don't know why and I didn't see Ekans in the picture; wasn't very interesting and I am not interested in that; someone trying out the web; this stuff is easy to do]. I am not one to consider this a sinister plot. What is, is what is; whether you want to believe it or not. ;o)))
Best Wishes,,,,
Z
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You have a satellite picture of my home? Do I have a home? I'd like to see it. Was lawnmower Dave mowing the lawn, or vacuuming the doorbell? Which car was in the driveway? Was it during "mushroom season"? Inquiring minds want to know.
A picture ID is required to get on an airplane these days, Z. You [of all people] should know this. Now that I think about it, Lucky doesn't have ONE picture ID. The kids have SEVERAL...Driver's license, School ID, and in Illinois there's even a STATE ID.
I don't so much think that the National ID concept is a conspiracy as I think it interferes with my privacy [if mandated]. I rarely buy anything besides food, and always pay with cash when I shop, so I wouldn't want [for instance] a shopkeeper to have personal information about me for no apparent reason except to market to me.
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Anita:
Sorry, it came from one of your friends. I trashed it. I have so much crap on the HD that I can't find anything now. I think that these views are easy to get from several sites. I could find one for you, but I think that you already know what your house looks like. ;o)))
Photo ID's will be a thing of the past. To easy to fake.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
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Sure, Z. I have a "friend" who sent you a satellite view of my home but didn't send ME one? Sounds more to me like one of YOUR friends, since *I* post with a legitimate E-mail address and YOU don't. So which car was in the driveway? Do you remember? [Of course not...silly question.]
I don't know where this whole thing will go on the National ID. I'm not going to volunteer for one. We'll see how long I balk if the thing becomes mandatory.
Right now, I'm amazed at the purchasing habits of some. There was a woman approaching a line at the grocery the other day and I said, "You're not buying anything?" [That would go through the line fast.] She said, "No, I'm buying a pack of cigarettes, but I'm going to charge it. It only takes a minute." I let her go ahead of us just to watch someone charge a pack of cigs.
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Anita:
This is a legitimate email address. I'm not so sure what the worth of these pictures are unless you are considering a bombing raid; since I am not into violence and don't care to look at your yard, I did a clean erase. ;o)))
I did like the one of my property after I learned how to find it. Really neat.
Best Wishes,,,,,
Z
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