Would have rather had WVU than Pitt/Syracuse for football's sake anyway. Basketball was going to be strong enough as is
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Would have rather had WVU than Pitt/Syracuse for football's sake anyway. Basketball was going to be strong enough as is
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With this move the ACC knows it cannot compete as an entire conference against the SEC in football. The ACC has always been a basketball conference. Why try to be something they are not?
I read somewhere or maybe heard it on the radio that the Big East and Big 12 were in talks of combining after everyone left that was going to. I'm not sure there will be any schools left though that will have a good football team.
Also, Boise St. better be begging the Pac 12 to let them in, but it's not looking good since they are in talks with Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas and Texas Tech. I believe the Boise State's and TCU's will have it ten times harder to make a BCS championship game than it even is now after all of the realignment is over.
all these super conferences that will be so big will just kick out the NCAA and do their own thing
From everything I've read the ACC was Texas' first choice, but they are a combo deal with Texas Tech, and the ACC doesn't want Texas Tech because of their poor academic record.
Also it looks like a real possibility that Notre Dame and UConn will be the next to join the ACC, with Rutgers being an alternate if one or the other doesn't work out.
I also read that WVU applied for acceptance to the ACC and was turned away for reasons that weren't mentioned.
Take this for what its worth, just a few things that have been floating around.
WVU was also rejected by the SECQuote:
Originally Posted by EJ3
What does WVU really have to offer any conference? They have had a decent showing the last few years in both football and basketball but are quickly reverting back to just another also ran.
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Originally Posted by EJ3
There's a less than zero chance that Notre Dame goes to the ACC. I don't think that Texas is/was really interested either. They're wanting the PAC 10/12/14/16.
PAC-12 is now saying that they are standing pat. Probably just grandstanding though. They said Texas did not want to work within an even monetary split within the conference....imagine that.
the ACC took Pitt and Syracuse for their academic qualifications as well as what they bring to the table in basketball...WVU did, in fact, apply to the ACC but was turned down due to their perception as a second-rate university academic-wise...also, there was zero chance that UVa, VT and Maryland would vote to add WVU
the ACC did what I thought they should do...add schools who make it no question that the ACC is the nation's premier basketball conference again, and then when TV negotiations begin, bundle the football rights with the basketball rights and create a higher revenue for the conference, thus increasing recruiting budgets and (hopefully) putting a better football product on the field
saying there's a less than zero chance that ND goes to the ACC is pretty silly considering they were in talks with the ACC when Texas was being discussed...what it will take for ND to come to the ACC is the ACC would have to concede Notre Dame's NBC contract as well as give them a full share of the new tv contract that the ACC would undoubtedly get...and then the ACC would add UConn as their final 16th team
with the super conferences being formed around them and new tv contracts making their NBC contract not as big of a deal, it would be advantageous for Notre Dame to add a full share of a tv contract to their revenue, and they would like to do so in the ACC rather than the Big Ten
If any conference, other than maybe the Big East, is willing to concede ND's contract plus give them a fair share, that conference isn't very bright.
that's the sticking point...gotta see if there's a compromise that benefits both parties...if the ACC were willing to do both, Notre Dame would already be in the conference
Texas knew they wouldn't be able to keep the Longhorn network as it is if they joined the Pac 12. They felt they had a better chance of that in the ACC. There were numerous articles coming out of Texas preferring the ACC.
ND is basically the same with their NBC deal, I also read where someone from ND was quoted saying if they are forced to join a conference, the ACC would be their first choice.
So I would imagine their is at least a small chance of ND joining the ACC. Texas, however, will probably be staying put.
Here is a few lines taken from an article on ESPN today involving conference expansion.
According to a source close to Notre Dame, the Irish's first choice is to remain as an independent in football and stay in the Big East in all other sports.
If the Irish decide they can't remain as a football independent then the choice would be to pursue the ACC before the Big Ten.
Here is the link: Big East, Big 12 talking possible merger, sources say - ESPN
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Originally Posted by gcdevil22
That's the first I've ever heard anywhere of ND being in discussions with anyone from the ACC or any other conference. If ND joins a conference it'll be the Big 10.
then you havent read this:
There have been a couple rumors floating around that Notre Dame only has eyes for the ACC. While the conference has nothing geographically or culturally in common with the Irish, there are a few important factors to consider.
- The ACC is an East Coast entity. Call it "East Coast bias" if you will, but things just seem to get more ink when they happen near the Atlantic. By joining the ACC, the Irish would be thrust even further into the eyes of the nation. Unfortunately for us, this probably means even more incoherent babbling from Lou Holtz about Notre Dame's imminent return to glory. You've been warned.
- The ACC doesn't have a network. Notre Dame likes its current TV deal with NBC and will do nothing to change that. While a merger with the Big Ten would be tricky, considering the media behemoth that is the Big Ten network, the ACC offers a now smaller media deal that is almost certainly in line to be renegotiated soon. The Irish are a big enough catch for the ACC—and nationally televised Notre Dame home games are a big enough gain for the conference—that the two sides could work out an agreement to keep Notre Dame home games under the watchful eye of NBC.
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- The Midwest is dying. Recent census numbers show*that the Midwest is slowly losing population, while the Southeast and East Coast are doing as well as ever. By aligning itself with a booming area of the country, the Irish could easily avoid anchoring itself to a dwindling talent base that already has a few heavy hitters at the front of the buffet line.
Despite years of talk about how well Notre Dame fits with the Big Ten, the rivalries that are preserved, and the history that the football power shares with the Big Ten, the realities of the modern world look to be conspiring against the Big Ten in the short term. If Notre Dame joins a conference in the near future, it looks increasingly likely that the conference will be the ACC.
Notre Dame will quite possibly need a home very soon, and as much as it hurts this old Big Ten slappy to say it: while the Big Ten seems like a great fit because of the shared past, the ACC seems like the best fit for the future.
Notre Dame To....ACC? Why the Irish Might Break Big Ten Hearts | Bleacher Report
or this...
Notre Dame has long been seen as a perfect potential fit for the Big Ten Conference, but only in the eyes of those outside of Notre Dame. The university is an East Coast-oriented school in every way. The only thing Midwestern about Notre Dame is its physical address.
Notre Dame men's basketball coach Mike Brey spoke at length with The News-Sentinel this summer about how valuable the Irish presence in cities such as New York, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C. has been to the success of his program.
“For the (Indiana) kids that come to Notre Dame, they want something different, something out of their natural region,” Brey said. “Those players (want) to play in New York City and Madison Square Garden.”
Notre Dame needs to change with the times | The News-Sentinel - Fort Wayne IN
Oh. I thought you meant there was actually something to it. 1. Not some shit from the bleacher report which is a site composed of fans blogs and amateur writers. 2. A colum from Rivals on Why the Irish MIGHT do something. 3. That Pigskin Guru site looks like another fan ran site and the article (3 paragraphs) is just credited to "Contributing Writers" and is nothing but slam at ND saying that if they joined the ACC instead of the Big 10 or anyone else it'd be because they were afraid. 4. The News Sentinel out of Fort Wayne is the only one of those that is a news source or the only one of those that is an actual article with any kind of journalistic credibilty, anything other than an opinion, the only thing that has any kind of comment from anyone from ND, and still in no way shape or form mentions the ACC anywhere. So again, where is there anything other than slam articles and opinions of bloggers. Again, nothing there is saying anything about ND going to the ACC. If I posted on a blog saying they're joining the NAIA it'd amount to the same thing as what you've posted.
Bleacher Report is a beacon of journalistic integrity and upstanding reporting, HOW DARE YOU question them!
I always assumed that ESPN was a solid place to get sports info, looks like I was wrong.
Where is there something from ESPN? I'm not doubting Drew or yourself, I just haven't heard anything that says anything from a credible source about any plans for ND to join the ACC or that ND has had any talks with anyone about joining the ACC. Please link this ESPN article. If you do make sure it's not some writers opinion on what might happen or not why they think it should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by EJ3
The very reason these bloggers are talking about the topic is because Andy Katz reported the same info ON AIR on the 5pm sportscenter last week...the articles even reference that factQuote:
Originally Posted by Ironlung
I read through all of those and never saw Katz or ESPN mentioned. So, I did a text search (cntrl/f) and none of those articles mentioned Katz or ESPN. I did hear Chuck Neinas (the new Big 12) commish today say something about it on Jack Arute and Mike Leaches show so at least someone mentioned it.
You must have missed this post I made a couple of days ago. The article is linked at the bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by EJ3
Yep. I see that in that arcticle. Drew said articles which led me to believe it was in the articles he posted, which it wasn't and had no mention. Also with that article, there's zero mention of ND having interest in the ACC or any mention of ND talking to the ACC. It was some anonymous source who said that's what they thought. At least you posted a link to at least a credible story to read which is all I asked for to start with. I missed that post in there with all of the ones that Drew linked. Thank you.