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I see alot of talk on here about this topic so i figured i would make a post about it. Its my opinion that stregth of schedule makes a better ball team. You learn more from defeat than from victory. It seasons a team to be prepared for playoffs IMO. I feel that the better a team's opponent is then the better a team becomes.
The past speaks for its self with what ive said here. What do yall think about it?
Strenght of schedule is good as long as it isn't crazy. Burton is a strong Div. 1 school. it would make zero sense to have a schedule full of Div 2 and AA programs to get beat up, hurt and not have anything left for playoffs. It is good to have a team like Lee on the sched to be tested but if we played that sched every week then all it would do is hurt in the long run. Now before anyone starts talking about "back in the day", well back in the day when Appy or PV were playing these awesome out of congerence games they still had a conference schedule that they pretty much walked through. JIB (yeah, we sucked back in the days when I played), Pound, Coeburn, St Paul when they were still in LPD and Ervinton when they were still in LPD. Clintwood was in a funk for many years, JJ Kelly. when you cake walk in the district you can schedule stronger OOC teams. Strenght of Schedule does make a better ball team. one thing I worry about moving districts is getting soft but we still could schedule Union, Lee for OOC opponents but if you over schedule what good does it do? Why isn't Coeburn / Eastside an elite team because they have most of the time played teams better than them. How about Ervinton? if playing tougher competition makes you better they should be the best school in the region. They are always overmatched and outmanned. There goes that play a tougher schedule to get better theory. How About St. Paul? they should have been a world beater becuase they always played a tougher schedule than they were as a team. I think there is a little about playing tougher schools but you can also see that playing tougher schools doesn't automaitcally make you a better team either. How about Appy? before they consolidated how good were they? they played better competition almost every week, never helped them.
I think the whole schedule thing is blown way out of poportion in my opinion.
i agree with you on the too many big schools but i dont see JIB beating up on Castlewood, Ryecove, Twin Springs, and so on doing them any good either. They should put radford, George Wythe, keep Lee and maybe even Honaker on a schedule. Those teams arent bigger than JIB but do play a ton better than the OOD teams JIB play now. It would help them because honestly the only district games that will be competitive year in and year out is Union and Clintwood with this smaller LPD. Its gonna be some time before Central is gonna be preinally good. I know scheduling is a bitch but If JIB could get atleast Radford or George Wythe each year it would help them come playoff time
As far as Ervington is concerend, they dont have the talent JIB has. It takes 1) quality kids (JIB has that, Ervington dont) 2) offseason training (again JIB has that and Ervington dont) 3) play good opponents week in and week out (JIB needs that)
If Burton could pull together a little tougher scheduling then they wouldnt be state champ runner up, they would put rings on fingers of kids who deserve to wear them i promise you that much.
Whose Ervington?Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
SoS? Laughable. Look at Richlands. Ppl. have talked for years about the "weak" schedule the Blues have, but they've made the state finals 4 times in the past 6 years. According to VHSL-reference, the 2006 title team finished the year ranked 60th in the state and didn't play anyone in the top 140 until the semis & finals.
They finished 44th last year and only had 1 regular-season game against the top 135.
Yeah, playing tougher teams make the good teams better, but it isn't necessary.
There's an other way of looking at it. Now in teams sports this may not be as true as in one on one "combat sports' but in boxing, kickboxing, and MMA there is a train of thought that as a big fight nears you actually want to start using weaker sparring partners, not better ones. The point is to build your fighter extreme confidence. As a trainer I actually practiced this method and liked it. Now I'm sure it's a little different in a team sport, but I could see staying healthy and having tons of confidence as being positives for a team heading into the playoffs.
It some point in training you wanted your fighter to be "challenged" but you didn't want that happening too close to the fight night. Anyway, just a little psychological trick that is fairly common among fight trainers. May or may not translate into team sports.
I think its best to find a happy medium. Play a couple of hard ones, and go ahead and put a couple of games you are supposed to win on there. Sometimes they are just what a team needs at some points in the season.
Co-sign, nicely putQuote:
Originally Posted by starbuck
FWIW, Burton has had Honaker on the schedule the past few years and they dropped us after this past season.Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
2010 - Won 39-0
2009 - Won 31-0
2008 - Won 43-20
2007 - Won 32-14
Also we played Gate City several years in a row and they were quite good but that didn't help us win a state title. With that being said I wouldn't mind us playing a AA school every now and again but not 2-3 in one year. We don't have the depth to play teams like that and again, 1-2 injuries on a small team can ruin an entire season. This whole scheduling thing is a crock IMO.
I remember when you were in school, it seemed like Burton and Haysi had some wars early in the season.
First game of the year every season and it was generally very close. I remember we won big my Junior year and then lost 27-26 in Sandlick my Senior year, Kory Bostic made one of the most phenomenal diving catches I've ever seen to win that gameQuote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
My feelings as well, I believe that winning against a decent team in your division does more than losing to a bigger team does. I understand the argument about playing better teams makes you better but in young kids like this winning gives a much more valuable morale boost.Quote:
This whole scheduling thing is a crock IMO.
Which goes along with what i feel, state champ not runners up play a tougher schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by VHSLhelper
this goes along with the weaker opponent theory. a couple of seasons ago JJ Kelly was 5 and 0 adn Powell Valley was something like 3 and 2 or 2 and 2, either way Powell Valley had racked up losses to Richlands and whoever else. Powell Valley goes to a 5 and 0 Kelly who had beat up on thomas walker Rye cove Castlewood (i think it was Castlewood may have been St. Paul) and leaves with a 12 to 0 vicotry over a confedient Kelly team that just wasnt ready to play someone a little better. When you box it is true to spare light near a fight so youre fresh and confedient but in football if you play better teams then you become better, iron sharpens iron. Look at the SEC. they play the best college football around because they play the best teams year round. Bama LSU Arkansas South Carolina Georgia Florida Tenneessee Auburn Miss St. when you play quality opponents then it helps you to win against not so quality opponents like Oregon Texas Ohio St and so on. Same goes for High School. Had burton played a little tougher OOD scheduling i have no doubt they would have atleast one if not two rings this decade. they got the other ingredients, great kids, great program in the offseason, all they need is 2 to 3 quality opponents year in and year out like Radford or George Wythe (who they will face in the playoffs anyway so why not get to feel em out regular season)
Then why didn't PV bring a title home in the last 10 years if they played a tough out of dictrict schedule?
Here is my opinon. To build a program you have to have some dedicated kids. You start there. You get a good coach who knows how to use the talent he / she has. If you are not a good team you need to build the program. You play teams equal to you or less. You start winning. you win some more. more kids want to be part of a winner. you program improves. You beef you schedule up a bit because you have improved yourself. When you get to this point you are looking at playoffs. Don't matter who you are, even the SEC teams have doormats on their schueules.
This is the way Burton has build their program. I was there when we won 11 games over my 4 years playing. We would have 18 kids at the end of the season. couldn't even have full practice, not enough kids. coached holding dummies to make up a full 22 players practicing. Now we already play several Div 2 teams so what do we do? Do we go AA? Do we play schools that have tripple our students? isn't that what been the situation in the State Finals for how many years? The teams we have played (and Clintwood have played) would be division 2 schools or AA schools down here and the best of the best.
It would be like telling Union "Hey, you need to schedule a bunch of Div 4 or some AAA shcools." to get better.
SOS is over blown on this forum
I was gonna make a long reply about a dude earlier who contradicted himself/herself about a statement he/she thought they agreed with but it was opposite of what they were saying, but figured I would save my lungs and/or fingers because it probably wouldn't register.
I don't care who John I Burton Schedules, the Experience they would get from playing a NFL Team won't even keep them Close to Union. I said it before I think Burton's Schedule is on par with what the Little division guys should be playing, they are Cupcakes, and as such should play mostly other cup cakes. I know burton is a good D1 Team, but Basically now thats like being a tall midget.
Really????????????????????????????????? Guess you haven't watched much football around these parts in the past few years. Here are a few numbers for you to digestQuote:
Originally Posted by Trenchman
Since 2005 Burton is 5-1 vs PV and 8-0 vs Appalachia (counting playoffs)
In those 6 games Burton outscored the mighty Vikings 144-72 and outscored the mighty Dawgs 347-80 in those 8 contest.
I fully expect the Burton/Union game to be a good one, the key will be the Burton passing attack as to how successful they will be in this game. But hey, guess I shouldn't go since you say the Raiders "won't keep it close"
because powell valley lacked the other key components that JIB has. Offseason training and Conditioning. After Barry Jones left in early 2000's Powell Valley's heart left with him. JIB has the heart and off season training and conditioning, all they need is to step up and play some tougher D1 schools such as George Wythe, Radford, and maybe some D2s like Gate city, and so on. Im not saying go schedule DB, Harlan, Bluefield and teams like that but someone better than casltwood eastside twinsprings ryecove. Up the comp and watch what happens. JIB will be better off in the long run. These arent games that burton should loose but games that would be alot closer and build more confedience on these wins instead of beating up weaker teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by starbuck
I will chime in on is because teams like Burton and Clintwood have success these chickenshit coaches avoid them or drop them. We have had Honaker and Abingdon on the schedule and they drop us because they get out played out coached and beat. Lee and John Battle caled wanting to play us to see how they were to us, plus to test their kids. Why do we keep Rye Cove well their coach likes to be tested to see where his team is at and were their biggest home gate when we go there, plus you don't see our team redneck people or showboat.
Is their anything to gain by us playing Richlands, not at all except to get a key player hurt and the rest of our season goes in the tank, we have a choice not to play them it's not like having to play PV pre 2002 thats a district game and we always got a key player hurt that affected us the rest of the season. Look at Clintwood they didn't want to play Grayson or Hazard but like i said before none of these coaches wanted to play them and when the District loses two teams your grasping to find someone to play.
I agree with you on the richlands bit that too big of a team but just as ryecove and teams like that want to play JIB to be tested, JIB needs to play George Wythe and or Radford to be tested just the same. That is two teams JIB will be meeting in the post season so why not get a feel of them regular season?
Blaah Blaah Blaah, You have no defense, thats the reason you've done well any of those years listed above, your defense is probably 3rd in the district only beating Central by a foot. Also from what i've heard you can't tackle. You won't be able to even stay close in this one, we do have a good offense and our defense is even better. We are bigger, Stronger, Faster, better conditioned and much more aggressive. There is no way you will win vs Union We are Union the bears you know not the Twin Springs Titans, or the Rye Cove Thunder Chickens Wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by UTVols2
If I was betting I would put money on Norton over Union this yr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trenchman
Burton's D over Union's D or Burton as a team over Union as a team? Defense the edge goes to Union, Burton being better as a team then Union will have to be decided on the field in a few weeks. But like the saying goes, you dont have to be the best in the nation every week, just the best on the field durring the game
That pretty much sums up what i'm saying and i'll leave it at that!!Quote:
Originally Posted by UnIoNfAn
I noticed that and was like WOW. did this guy not read but seen what he wanted to see?Quote:
Originally Posted by UTVols2