Altec Lansing 26616A Pascalite HF Drivers/MRII564 Mantaray Horns $200
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What's the 266? I don't know it. Google doesn't seem to either.
EDIT: Duh! Link right there in the ad. 299, not 266. Wish I were close enough to grab them.
:) I DID put 299 in the title
theres a song about this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcng0j5QoE
I just inquired about them.Close enough for me.
I think $200 is probably on the order of what I offered last time I saw them posted. Good price if the phragms are intact of course.
So'd you pick them up AB?
'Still available' per the ad being up, but they've not responded to me.
Yes I talked with her I maybe picking them up today.I'm supposed to go take a look at them.Her name is Theresa.Why did you want them ?Aren't you in Philly ?
Yup! Heading down now... maybe we'll meet. :-)
Got them. More later...
I would loved to have had the 299's a couple years ago. One of the best live PA drivers. But I haven't been out on a gig for almost 2 years now...
I didn't go.I was going to pick them up for a board member.But he wasn't sure if he needed them so I didn't go.I'm glad to see another board member snagged them though ! :wink2: :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
I already have some 299's and love them 30 lbs. monsters ! They are loud as stink and can handle lots of power!
I had my eye on them, but wasn't sure I needed them. Thanks AB. Glad to see that Gearfreak got them. Horns too?
Thanks all.
w/horns. Alas, diaphragms are bad on both.
Was happy @ 2 bills and not planning on plunking down for new phragms, but you know how it is standing there.
Of course we agreed on a discounted price.
So now I get to figure out what next, and reshuffle the stable of things for sale.
Eckle states re the 299A series:
Newest Altec high frequency driver. Has good sound of 288 with 2? times the power handling. Costs less. Use this unit whenever possible. When rebuilding older 288s or 291s, use its diaphragm.
I now have both 288 and 299 bodies.
Any opinion(s) on whether there would be a sonic difference assuming same phragms used?
(lower power, not SR use)
25884 (8)/25885 (16) from GPA would seem to be the current production option.
* Sonics aside, the 299 is desirable (to me) over the 288 due to the 299's 3 and 4 lug mounting options.
** Interestingly, these MRII564II have a serial# space on the label but it is not populated. Maybe none do?
AT $200 I suspected that the Diaphragms maybe bad,she said she didn't know I think she did.Cause she could have asked for a lot more if they were working.But that stinks what could have been a better deal now have to spend more.They are ferrite so you just need to get diaphragm kits from Bill.So you don't need to ship them which is good.You still got a great pair of drivers.You will definitely get your money back out of them if you ever decide to sell them.But once you get them up and running I suspect they will be keepers ! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
Yes I like the mounting lugs as well,you can use the newer Manta's or the older Multi's with them.Mine were originally 299-16A but were converted to 8 ohm 299-8A (25884)
The 299's came with a pascalite (Alum.Alloy) diaphragm (25884-25885).They are also Tangerine phase plugs ! Great sounding drivers.
That is Strange about no serials on the horns !
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AFAIK the 288 and 299 bodies are identical. Fram is the difference.
So that would make the 288, 291 & 299 the same motor and phase plug? Only difference the 'phram?
In the last Ceramic ones, yes think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
The old 288 and 299 are same. 291B and 288G are same. I think 291C's are Tangerine, at least some of them are, so would be 288H body.
Thanks.
yeah, my 291s are tangerine. Now 288s with new GPA frams.
Forgot to mention, 288B is similar but due to minor changes current frams don't fit. But with minor machining at GPA they do.
We need a chart!
Hey Pano, are they 25884/25885, or a different #? I was under the impression only those were available presently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
Fixed one of the bad phragms in one of the 288-16's using the solder wick method. Hah! it actually works.
The very, very, initial impression does agree with OG. i.e. the 288-8k do out sparkle the repaired 299-16 (tested with 8ohm paralell impedance on the 299).
...of course, we don't know how well it would compare to new.
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Originally Posted by gearfreak
And that is the only real test correct ? (apples & oranges) With new Diaphragms I imagine they would sound pretty much the same.Or very close ! Depending on which fram you use 288 - 299 .
Pretty much, I could do WT3 on them, but no RTA or like here yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
299-16A #2, did not fare so well. This is of course why 'worked last time I used them' doesn't cut it. Caveat emptor as always.
Looks like someone used it as a flower pot...
Oh my God, that tangerine looks over-ripe!
I don't remember. Think I still have the boxes, so will check.Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
The (25884) is the 8 ohm 299 and the (25885) is the 16 ohm 299,is this what your asking GF ? It looks like a lot of crud in the gap.A simple Diaphragm replacement may not be sufficient GF.
So the original part# for the 299-16A is the (25885)
No. Pano mentioned his are now 288's, with new GPA phragms, so wondering what pn he got from them in order that they cause them to become 288s. (could be: 23763)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
For certain on the crud.
So what happens when I unscrew this 'top plate (?)' (the plate which the phragm mounts to, i.e. the 3 sunken bolts showing in the pic).
I imagine, things come out of alignment?
Understand what you mean now. OK part # for a 8 ohm 288 is 23763 and the part # for a 16 ohm 288 is 23834.
Here is GPA's listings for their 288 Diaphragms.The 299's are 25884-25885 for 8-16 ohm respectively
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My drivers are 291-16K and the 'phrams that come with them are 21531 Symbiotic.
The new 'phrams are GPA 23834. 16 ohms Aluminum. I asked Bill at GPA if the 291 and 288 motors are the same, he said yes, same thing. Only difference is the diaphragms. Putting this 'phram in makes it a 288-16K
So maybe one of the 288 'phrams listed above can turn a 299 into a 288.
Oh, and FWIW I just took a lot of surface rust off some hand tools with a soak in white vinegar. Worked great. The vinegar bubbled on the rust and some actually just fell off. The rust was easy to take off with a rag.
It might be a way to clean your diver.
Cool, thanks. I will have to try the vinegar approach and see.
For now, they'll go on the shelf for a little while. At least until I figure out/learn if I can (realistically) further disassemble for cleaning. Don't want to jam a working phragm in there and ruin it with gunk.
Alas, looks like this won't be the case, would have to be sent in for work.Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
Will get around to posting the set for sale unless/until I see another single around for reasonable price.
The water damaged driver of the set, was the one which did not have a gasket anywhere between the horn <-> mounting plate <-> driver. Maybe the moisture pooled on the plate, and wicked in that way. Perhaps a red flag for future buyers... if they get to that point of disassembling.
Of course, maybe they just set it horn-down somewhere wet and it evaporated and recondensed up within the driver.