I Wonder What He Pulled These Out Of?

Altec model 414Z and 804a horns

Looks like a stripped down 9844 to me.

+1 If you looked around a bit I'm sure you would find some 9844 cabs hidden away !

Malibu's................. maybe some of the earliest 844's.

9844's have black horns and round HF shelving knobs, and were introduced after they stopped painting 414's gold. You can find "844's" with all green components on rare occasion.

Malibus or Carmels is my guess -- wrong horn color for 9844s.

Thanks all for the info--they look to be in nice shape. A shame he decided to gut them--hope they find a good home in some DIY cabs.....

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Originally Posted by bowtie427ss

Malibu's................. maybe some of the earliest 844's.

9844's have black horns and round HF shelving knobs, and were introduced after they stopped painting 414's gold. You can find "844's" with all green components on rare occasion.

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I think you hit the nail on the head Bowtie ! I didn't even look at the color,thinking 414's &811's and says 804a I think he meant 806A that's what it looks like from the tag on it.

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Originally Posted by Altec Best

I think you hit the nail on the head Bowtie ! I didn't even look at the color,thinking 414's &811's and says 804a I think he meant 806A that's what it looks like from the tag on it.

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804A could be accurate John. Also, there was a model 844 monitor that preceded the 9844, the few examples i've seen in the flesh or photos of had all green components including the 414's.

Thanks to David Yost for mentioning the Carmels. At the time i posted i couldn't think of the name. All i could think was "the Altec that's just like the Heathkit AS21".

I think Malibu's and/or Carmels could have been manufactured during part of the time the 804a was in production.

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Originally Posted by Altec Best

.......and says 804a I think he meant 806A that's what it looks like from the tag on it.

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Same-same. For whatever reason, the 804A was renamed after a few years to become the 806A with no changes AFAIK except the model #, so considering the gold frame 414 timeline, they should be stamped 804A.

GM

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Originally Posted by bowtie427ss

804A could be accurate John. Also, there was a model 844 monitor that preceded the 9844, the few examples i've seen in the flesh or photos of had all green components including the 414's.

Thanks to David Yost for mentioning the Carmels. At the time i posted i couldn't think of the name. All i could think was "the Altec that's just like the Heathkit AS21".

I think Malibu's and/or Carmels could have been manufactured during part of the time the 804a was in production.

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Unerstood but sticker on the driver looks like 806A to me gentleman!

Thanks GM & Bowtie !

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Originally Posted by Altec Best

Unerstood but sticker on the driver looks like 806A to me gentleman!

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I think i see the apex of a "4" there, and am willing to wager the cold beverage of your choice!;)

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Originally Posted by bowtie427ss

I think i see the apex of a "4" there, and am willing to wager the cold beverage of your choice!;)

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I guess I should wear those reading glasses I bought

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Originally Posted by Altec Best

I guess I should wear those reading glasses I bought

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I wouldn't be too critical of your vision, seller's pic is very fuzzy, and although i'd bet a beer on it, i couldn't really "testify" beyond a doubt from that pic. But, he does say 804 in his ad title.

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Originally Posted by bowtie427ss

I wouldn't be too critical of your vision, seller's pic is very fuzzy, and although i'd bet a beer on it, i couldn't really "testify" beyond a doubt from that pic. But, he does say 804 in his ad title.

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It would be worth just being able to sit down and have a beer with You Tom. :cool:

The 804A driver was the result of the same severe cost cutting at Altec that reduced the 604D Duplex to the small magnet 605A. Altec later capitulated and reintroduced the large magnet Duplex as the 604E, and upgraded the 804A to the 806A by increasing the size of the magnet. This difference in magnet size is not represented by the literature of the time, but disassembly of the drivers tells the tale. We discussed this subject a couple of years ago in a thread on Lansing Heritage:

60's Altec info

Thanks Steve for the link it does indeed look like Carmel's !!

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Originally Posted by Steve Schell

.........and upgraded the 804A to the 806A by increasing the size of the magnet.

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Hmm, never took them apart to compare, but I do recall they performed the same on 511s to our collective ears at the time [mid '60s] with both being sub par to 802s, so never used/recommended either of them for serious sound reproduction. Don't recall any obvious weight difference either, so have to wonder if any parts changes were nothing but a smoke n' mirrors switch to maintain the 804's bottom line and why Dickinson lumped them together.

GM