Altec Lansing Voice Of The Theater Speakers | eBay
These did not sell last time at the same price, that was a surprise. They are up again with 1 bid now.
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Altec Lansing Voice Of The Theater Speakers | eBay
These did not sell last time at the same price, that was a surprise. They are up again with 1 bid now.
SOLD! buy it now
Nice score. Horns alone are worth the price.
Yeah. I was very surprised they didn't go on the first round. Maybe it was the Pick Up Only that scared folks off.
That is a good deal !
Those Horn drivers look huge, I thought they were all the same size.
You should see the 290s that Gary sent me. Real monsters!
Actually the 290 is the same size, but has a big sheet metal can for a transformer on the back.Take off the can and there is an aluminum cover for the fram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/10.jpg
Those are normal drivers on the eBay horns, guessing 288B or C.
DUH! Just noticed says 288B in auction.
Yes, the transformer cover is empty, but it sure looks impressive. When visitors stop by I always put a 290 in their hands and say "This is my tweeter." :D
ROTFL
Altec had a LOT of them when Vietnam ended. They were used in HUGE arrays hung from copters. You could understand what was being said ten miles away! They were used for propaganda and such. I have pics in one of my storage bins of them being assembled, along with millions of pieces assorted other 70's crap. Finding them is a daunting task though. I'm a disorganized packrat.
Anyway I bought 24 290E's for a sytem I built, and probably sold another 300+ to other sound companies. They won every time in an A/B against 2480's. The macho look did not hurt, for sure.
Many sound companies were not even aware of the 290. Altec really thought since they owned theater installs at the time, they didn't need to market much to pros.
It was really hard for a lot of dealers to get Altec. They were trying to protect their contractors.
JBL was much more available and better advertised.
You know I do the same thing with my 30 lb 299's that are now mounted to my Tar-Filled 1005's and say these are my 100 LBs. tweeters !! :biggrin2: :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
Something tells me it was University Sound who made the system used in Viet Nam. IRC, 16 drivers on a single horn. Would take a long time for me to find the magazine...
You are confusing two different products.Quote:
Originally Posted by gvasale
University made I think a 12, 16, and even a 24 driver horn. Just plain ain't what I was talking about.
Lower right:
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/13.jpg
Buncha El Cheapo screw on drivers, louder than stink and sounded like it too.
I am talking about Giant Voice systems. Way more expensive and way clearer.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2009/05/32.jpg
And no, University had absolutely nothing to do with the big systems hung from helicopters. They were powered by custom built solid state amps. I saw a couple being built, no way to confuse with the University, it's a toy by comparison.
Went over to unofficial, remembered Todd had a couple TL's on the Giant voice stuff, but the links are not working.
GPA does have a sales lit partial for the stuff. Only pic is 3 multicells in an array with dual 290's
http://www.greatplainsaudio.com/vint...oor_Part_3.pdf
The two systems I saw being built were 203's in a radial configuration each with dual 290's.
In a certain movie I'm sure you'll remember the helicopter scene with the horn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc...layer_embedded
Near the beginning you see it a couple times then again at 2:49
Enjoy.
Link doesn't work, but I know the scene. I posted a still photo of those horns a few years back asking what they were. Don't think there was ever an answer.
Now I'd say they were University as shown on the sheet above.
There's a page in the 1968 Altec catalog (that I posted this link for in an earlier thread) devoted to the "Giant Voice" system--some info and photos (also confirms it is definitely an Altec product, not University).....Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
http://www.preservationsound.com/wp-...llLine1968.pdf
Electronics World Magazine had a feature article on the University Horn system in ther bottom right of the catalog page. Sometime in the later 60's if I remember correctly. Talked about its use as you alluded to. Altec may also have had something similar, but EW Magazine was all about University Sound in their artlcle. I think I may still have a copy of it, but it would take a lot of time to find it. Not sure if web searches would be productive, and since I don't have the movie, I can't review it or grab a frame shot from the scene in question.
I posted a still here a one time. Will see if I can dig it up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gvasale
First, it just plain isn't similar, again you are talking about totally different things. The University is ONE HORN with a lot of drivers. Yes, they saw some military use.
The Altec systems were multiple horns with drivers on each horn. Much bigger, much louder, and much clearer. You cannot compare that University to one of the big Giant Voice systems any more than you can compare a Yugo to a Rolls Royce.
Altec quoted the larger Giant Voice systems at 125 dB at 100 feet...
Well, determined to find a way out of this dilema, I ordered a copy of Apocalypse Now to scrutinize the scene in question, and I also found the Electronics World Magazine I referred to. September 1968, pages 38 & 39. I will scan and post these later, but the article shows a Cessna and a significantly larger Navy aircraft fitted with the University Sound B-24 PT speaker and their own 1800 watt (3 600 watt paralled)amplifier. Claims of "over 148dB @ 4ft, and 80dB @ two miles." I have a 1968 Altec catalog which has an overview of the Giant Voice. I can scan and post that as well. Just waiting for the movie now. Over 43 years since I thumbed through that issue. 19 years old then.
Author of the article claimed this speaker to be developed during the Korean War for psychological warfare.
Scroll down to about the middle of the page to get to the Viet Nam War section(Psywarrior).I don't think they used Altecs in the Viet Nam War I can't find any real pictures of any although that doesn't mean there weren't any few and far between I think .Movies don't count,that's just Hollywood !Quote:
Originally Posted by gvasale
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?139412-Vietnam-War-Helicopter-Aviation-UH-1-Slicks-and-other-versions
http://www.psywarrior.com/MusicUsePSYOP.html
I think for psychological warfare they should make you listen to BOSE or RADIO SHACK!!! :)
Movies don't count, that is true. Movies use what props are available.
All i can say is:
1. I was in California seeing a big array assembled was told headed for Vietnam.
2. As the war wound down, I was offered incentives to move lots of 290's since military orders were gonna stop for them.
Were Altecs used in all apps? For that I have to ask, is every car sold a Cadillac?
If anybody finds proof what I was told is wrong, I'd like to see it. But "can't find anything" doesn't impress me. Lots of Altec stuff it's hard to find info on.
Anyway, till some proof I am wrong surfaces I refuse to discuss this any more. If wrong I am quick to admit it and apologize.
I haven't seen a shred of evidence I am wrong.
Haven't seen a shred of evidence that it exist's either. But would love too.Anything with Altec peaks my interests :biggrin2: I really enjoy seeing some of the old Literature ! And your right it's a shame because it is few and far between unfortunately ! I agree !;)
True but I was at Altec at the end of the war and you weren't, so if you don't mind gonna keep believing what I saw and heard till something real comes along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
The previous pic and this one do NOT show the University horns BTW.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/34.jpg
Most of the pictures have these arrays on them.Either way they still look pretty cool Huh?
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/35.jpg
Psycoligical Warfare UH-1s equipped with powerfull loudspeakers. Used to make all kind of "announcements" etc.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...cons/icon1.png
Some other versions, additional infos, pics and corrections.
Psyops:
Two more pics of a Psyops/Psywar Huey eqipped with loudspeakers (horns).
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1...1psyops02s.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7054/uh1psyops03s.jpg
Those are re-entrants, look like Ev's, but there is a VERY similar Atlas.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/36.jpg
But NO WAY that is gonna sound clear ten miles away.
Here are the scans I did earlier. Pgs from Electronics World magazine, and the 1968 Altec catalog page for Giant Voice. Unforunately, not much in detail for the Giant Voice. This is taking forever. If the attachments fail to show, I'll put them on Flickr and post the links. BTW, I have no axe to grind on this matter, and I'm pleased to see what all of you have added to this thread.
Picture upload apparently failed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/levelwind/6262700231/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/levelwind/6232700233/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/levelwind/6232700235/
Perhaps moderator can imbed photos
And yes, concur with re-entrant horn Closest looking Altec is 151, but who knows. Other strange looking ones in other photos.
It's a friendly discussion no reason for any feelings here !! This is what this board is all about.To Get Folk's together and shoot the breeze. :biggrin2:
Your host says all rights reserved when I try to copy image location Greg.Had to resort to skullduggery. (I love that word)
Is there anything you can turn off? Labeled Copyright maybe?
Photobucket doesn't do that. Or else the default is off.
But that system isn't what I was talking about. specifically the systems I was talking about were for copters.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/37.jpg
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/38.jpg
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/39.jpg
Most Giant Voice installs were custom.
There isn't a whole lot of data on the Beachmasters either. 9x 2 inch Western Electric drivers.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2011/10/40.jpg
Don't know how to answer the question WRT Flickr. The photos are marked "public" able to be viewed ay anyone. But I do see what you mean. Shall I email them to you? And yes I kind of understand the Altec/helicopter issue, but at this point in time its really hard to go back and get the full story, therefore when the statement about Apocalypse Now was made, I thought for sure the Universitys were in the film. Regardless, as stated before, lots of new interesting things have come about in this post.
Now for something completely different... How do we explain this....
The University horn on the Cessna looks very much like the horn on the chopper in Apocalypse Now. I thought for sure that I had posted a still of it, but can't find it. Oh well. Makes sense that they would use it for the film. It's period correct and small enough to fly. I have no idea what else was used in the war. But it does seem that both were used extensively, from the lit. Was there actually any disagreement about that?
Jensen Mi....Never heard of it....we do have a Jenison though...
Greg you have to change your privacy settings in flickr to public for your pictures to upload. They are copyrighted ! Maybe you can try Photobucket.Quote:
Originally Posted by gvasale
Thanks Og for posting the pics for Greg ! ;)
There are University "B-12's" in the movie, they are "mounted" and very much in the middle of action, don't let anyone convince you otherwise.Quote:
therefore when the statement about Apocalypse Now was made, I thought for sure the Universitys were in the film.
Please note that i haven't mentioned any aircraft.
I'm not sure a screen shot would be appropriate as the best view of a BT-12 is on a patrol boat with a bare assed soldier standing next to it. But, i'll post one a bit later anyway cause i'm just that kinda guy.
Too lazy to set up a screen shot, check this clip at 3:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxvVb...eature=related
That's the same horn and cage that is mounted on the chopper. I wonder if they picked that up in the P.I. or brought it down with them from San Francisco?
First that's why I prefer Photobucket over Flickr less issues IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gvasale
Second I see you are getting adds in your browser when viewing the site.You must be getting mixed up with a guest account.I would try logging out of the Altec User Board and then log back in problem should be solved.If not let me know.
He might not have been logged in when he took the screen shot, logging in loses the ads for me.Quote:
Second I see you are getting adds in your browser when viewing the site.You must be getting mixed up with a guest account.
Of course seeing that AOL is involved, all bets for anything working right or making sense are off.
+1 I didn't like AOL either ! Yahoo works for me !Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
Actually, I was, still am logged in. So, I can't explain the difficulty. When I tried to upload the photos the THIS website, it took forever, like more than 10 minutes per shot, and I did a preview of the post and showed nothing go uploaded. Then went onto Flickr, and did the same with avout 10 minutes for all three. (dialup of course, sucks, too). If I just go to view what I have there, for whatever reason, I do get ads too. Maybe just because I have the free account, and don't want to upgrade? I don't mind AOL. Using on a DSL or Cable works pretty good (depends on which daughters house I'm at.)