Altec Lansing horn driver 3 pack | eBay
Bet on one thing- an audio dealer with 800+ feedbacks is NOT selling them untested. A C-note says all 3 are blown. Still, may go reasonable.
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Altec Lansing horn driver 3 pack | eBay
Bet on one thing- an audio dealer with 800+ feedbacks is NOT selling them untested. A C-note says all 3 are blown. Still, may go reasonable.
Ironically, or not, those are painted the same color as an 815 cabinet that was sold out of that general region some time ago.
FWIW, i don't dispute your suspicions OG. But, i'm also aware that with the whole ebay/paypal field being slanted so heavily in favor of the buyer the seller may just be trying to avoid having a refund/dispute scenario. As you can clearly see everywhere, ethics are no longer part of our socio-economic system.
If I'm seeing those numbers right look like they are all from the same lot. 288C's me thinks...
Even if the 288's are blown, they may go fairly cheap (as OG mentioned) and still be worth grabbing. BTW, AB, regarding your new signature--nice (close) game Sunday. Glad to see that it wasn't a Superbowl blowout, and as a New York State native, I'm not too unhappy about the outcome! ;)
Just below the title of the auction the seller says... "For parts or Not Working".
That's being pretty upfront in my book, so why all the ethical questions regarding the seller?
Me neither,me Neither ! Was a good game.Got to like Eli's bringing the team back in the fourth quarter 8 times this season.Super Bowl was no exception. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
On the 288's they look to be later model 288C's.I have both early and later models the only difference on the outside of driver is the name on the rear cover is different and the seal is different.Early ones had a rope thread seal and the latter had a rubber O-ring seal. Here is an example of an early and late.
First is early second pic is the latter production runs.
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2012/02/29.jpg
http://www.hostboard.com/forums/hbmc...2012/02/30.jpg
They're labeled as untested. Something as simple to test as a driver isn't likely going to go untested by an audio dealer. They probably don't work, or have had the diaphragms removed. "Untested" gives the impression that it's unknown and could be fine, and therefore could get a higher price if someone's willing to take the bait and gamble. Sure the buyer chooses to gamble, but the game shouldn't be set against him. If I sell something as being untested, it will be untested. Testing and finding a non-functioning item and calling it untested to provide deniabilty is dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoydB
So what if the seller bought them with the knowledge they were blown drivers? I'd list them as "for parts, not working", and I'd not have a need to test them myself if they were known to be blown. With the info the seller has provided anyone buying them expecting them to work is not reading properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill
'Phragms and a remag at GPA $100 each. So what? I'm curious to see what they go for. If they were mine, I'd have them sent directly to Bill H....
If they were purchased knowing they were blown then he should say they're blown, not untested. As I tried to convey before "untested" leaves the possibility open that they're fine. If it's known that they are not fine, that's dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoydB
As far as not reading properly......... an animal should always watch for a trap/danger, but it can't fall into a trap that's not there.
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Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill
Let's start at the beginning, in BOLD LETTERS at the top of this auction it states "for parts or not working" .......
in other words.......... These do not Work!!!!!
What do you want the seller to do.. take a separate photo of each driver with a DVM wired to it proving to you that it has an open voice coil? He has told you that These Drivers DO NOT WORK!
It would take the seller 60 seconds to ohm all 3 drivers. Mystery solved and the description in the ad changes to blown.
I don't think the ad is misleading, but is truly a buyer beware situation.
Bottom line even if they are blown they are still valuable if you get them repaired...especially if they're 288 C's don't those go for an arm and a leg usually?
Don't ASSUME! You can make an ASS of U and ME or him.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9...5529510305.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
What are the ethical questions? Simple. You know an audio dealer has tested them. Then posted untested. Likely tested bad and he is not making full disclosure. I do not ask anything of him I wouldn't do.
"For parts or not working" is covering himself. Not full disclosure.
I didn't see that before, I beleive that's an ebay check box he filled in. I would say it's good except it's confusing....... are they working or not, how can he know they're not working if they're untested? It's a mixed message, if you even pay attention to the automatically generated ebay info....... which many people don't since many sellers change it in the auction body, like in this case....... or with shipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoydB
No he told me that they're untested, so he can't know they don't work. Which means they could work, so I'm going to bid higher in the false hope he's giving me.Quote:
What do you want the seller to do.. take a separate photo of each driver with a DVM wired to it proving to you that it has an open voice coil? He has told you that These Drivers DO NOT WORK!
FWIW, when i mentioned ethics implying unethical practices it was in regard to a current trend among ebay buyers, not sellers.
Sure this seller has contradicted himself a bit by making multiple statements regarding function that don't necessarily mean the same things. Contradiction should raise question/doubt. In this instance it makes me suspicious. Did he open one and see a shifted pole? Did he drop one from the scaffolding during removal? Has this seller been the victim of refund extortion via ebay//PP slanted playing field? Those are the questions the contradiction raises for me.
I don't think he's being unethical, at least not intentionally. As OG suggests, he's just covering himself which has sadly become a necessity when selling on ebay.
There's a certain logic in that by keeping the description vague, there is less to be held accountable for as a seller.
I think most of us are all saying the same thing............... don't bid more on this one than you can afford to throw away to ensure that any surprises will be pleasant ones.
Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill where nobody's actually done anything wrong.
Just my .02....................
Well said Bowtie. To condense to one sentence, IMHO it raises a red flag about the seller, and is something I wouldn't do. Use common sense. He knows they don't work. If even one was working he would get a better price so would have posted that. To me, the untested raises a buyers hopes, as has been said. If he knows something he should post it.
Bottom line: if it's sold untested, you can be sure SOMEBODY has tested it. Especially when a simple test would raise the price.
Is he any worse than many? No. But in the interest of full disclosure if I see a red flag I post it.
One other thing I would like to add. His moniker on eBay is "Audio Deal Finder" ! What are the chances that he wouldn't have tested them fully ? IMHO Slim to None...
If audio is his business then you have to assume he would have tested them before selling to avoid letting those diamonds in the rough slip through his fingers for pennies on the dollar.Most members here have been watching Ebay & Craigslist,etc.. for a longtime.And can usually pick up these subtle things.
Are these 30 pounders like the later ones? Man that would sure put a dent in the floor...... or someones head!Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
No they're not quite as heavy as the later series, but they're still ~25 lbs of solid metal. More than enuff to leave a mark....Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill
:pDefinitely hurts when dropped on foot.