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I noticed a pair of 409-8D's for sale on ebay. The demo u-tube clip sounded nice. Would it be worth while to build small enclosures for these?? vented or sealed? I realize these were designed as ceiling speakers but thought I would check with the pro's on the idea. Thanks.
How much money? At 20 bucks each, fine, at 75 each no way. They make nice surround speakers for HT.
My druthers? 405's or 803 with a better tweet. The (I suspect) CTS tweet in that unit is OK at best.
Anything that says Altec on it brings money in Japan.:D
See if this guy will ship, maybe offer to buy them all. Seems to have original boxes..? If so shipping is more palatable
(if interested in this flavor of 409 that is)
8" Speakers *** Brand New
8" Speakers *** Brand New - $25 (Bel Air)
I have 6 brand new Altec Lansing 409ST 8" speakers brand new still in the box. They have never been used. Here are the specs on the speakers.....http://databank.musicpeopleinc.com/specsheets/9714.pdf
Willing to sell 1 at a time or all 6 together.
Make me an offer........443-XXX-XXXX
Anyone know if I could use these ST's without the transformer and basically have just an 8ohm 409-8E ??
Correct, the tx is just an add-on.
GM
Bit of a 2 k hump
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Attenuating the tweet would help but might be a task.
The older ones I've used had the tweeter wired separately, so was able to just add a L-pad and if the HF roll off is too much, then one can wire a bypass cap around it to 'taste'.
GM
I sent the guy a message--he is out of town right now and will check out shipping costs on his return. Would an equalizer tame the 2K hump Old Guy mentioned above??? What about ordering four 409's and using two in each inclosure--any improvement in that configuration??? Thanks for all the info guys--I really can't obtain "real" Altecs (severe WAF problem) so I thought this might be a way to tiptoe into the Altec world.
just in case -
Atlas Sound GD87 Ceiling Speaker | Full Compass
Are you just wanting to build a small set? I asked my brother what he has, he doesn't have that one but has some of these-
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He says you can have a pair for shipping cost...USPS medium flat rate and a buck or two for packing material...it's the pair he was gonna give me but I need another pair of speakers as bad as I need to get a year older...:p
Kind of a hermit these days my messaging is off but I'll figure out some way to put you and he together should you decide you want them...
Interesting.
I have a case of NIB 8 inch coaxials that are a cross between what Tomt and OG have posted. The have the tweeter of OG's Altecs, but the motor and frame of the Atlas. They're branded MTX Oaktron and painted Oaktron's famous blue. I guess i need to get a pair out and see what they can do one of these days.
This is kind of funny. We've all got 8" coax's secreted away somewhere for a rainy day. Hah.
I have some atlas 8" coaxial pendant mounts in fact. I recall they sounded pretty good (they are packed up now), though I have nothing else 8" to compare to per se.
This spurred me to look up the driver, apparently they use the FA138 driver: Atlas Sound - FA138
Not Altec by any streatch afaik, but I checked the FR to see if they too had a 2k hump. Looks like they quashed in the FA138.
Thanks very much Old Guy, but I originally really wanted to go larger than 8"; I think the 6 1/2" 407 is a bit small for me. Any one have a pair of 920-8A's they want to part with??? The problem with altecs is that when you get into 12" and up they get really expensive. So I kind of settled for the 8" as a middle of the road solution. But a 12" Altec duplex of some kind is where I really wanted to go. (I don't recall seeing any 10" Altec Duplex models). My next door neighbor is a cabinet maker by trade and can help with cab construction. This project is going to be a consolation prize for the 9844's I will never get to own. Thank you everyone for your great input, I appreciate it very much.
Never?! You planning on dying soon?
GM
Well the last 9844's (or close relatives) I saw were $800 and had mismatched woofers which was a bit much for me, plus the fact that at age 72 I am in good shape but you do kind of begin to look over your shoulder. Altecs are a long time dream every since I heard 19's at a party back in the 80's. These days I try to keep an eye on the more utility types as I would, no doubt, have to install them in my garage listening area should a pair ever come my way.
I'm gonna be a little blunt here since i've seen too many fellas bust their ass toward a comfortable retirement only to have it cut short or missed altogether when fate stepped in prematurely.Quote:
plus the fact that at age 72 I am in good shape but you do kind of begin to look over your shoulder.
None of us are taking any of this stuff with us when we go. The time to enjoy it is now.
My advice to you is to live your dream. If it is within your means, go for a large Altec system and enjoy the hell out of them.
I've got a single Radian 8" coax with a blown woofer coil, that I'd love to get fixed, and find a second. I've also got a couple of Quam 8" drivers with Whizzer cones that I'd like to play with, plus a few other pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by gearfreak
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Originally Posted by cls500
I hear ya, I'm zeroing in on 66 and with my lifelong poor health history combined with knowing so many folks that kept putting stuff off till later in life only to not live long enough to get there; I've mostly lived in the 'here and now' figuring I either wouldn't be around for a proper retirement or so decrepit and/or poor from medical bills that I wouldn't have any real quality of life, which is pretty much where I'm at least for now, so glad I was able to keep some Altec components to tinker with again once I get the worst of the house, shed exterior repaired/replaced sometime later on this Summer or Fall.
Anyway, understand the $$ issue and you imply you're not set up to make your own cabs, so wonder if there's a DIYer near you that might help to build some utility cabs and maybe XOs if you can?t, then buy used horns and new drivers, though better overall to buy 15" woofers in lieu of dual 12" due to high cost.
GM
Bowtie, I know what you mean and believe me the thought has occured to me. My wife is a lovely woman but a tough cookie. The fact that I have 8sets of speakers being run on two systems all in the nicely finished garage is one thing; but adding a large set of altecs would most certainly result in my being beaten with a golf club. Also the thought of placing a nice set of 14's or 19's in the garage is out of the question--so I do continue to keep an eye open for utility type models. In my area the following are for sale at this time: 846A Valencias--$1700 firm/ 848A Flamencos-$1000 (untested-as is) / fairly nice custom cabs with unknown VOTT load--$1500. And thats about it. It is rare to even have this many for sale in this area. GM--actually ,as I mentioned in an earlier post, I have a cabinet maker who lives next door-he is excellent but not cheap. Trying to collect up all the pieces and then getting the cabs constructed is really more than I want to attempt at this point; also, the good stuff is VERY expensive these days as you well know . So all this is the reason I kind of wanted to start with a little duplex project which I could probably handle---then--- if the right real Altec comes along I can take Bowties advice and go for it !!! ( and risk death by golf club)
I can read, but you don't need a high priced cabinet maker to make utility cabs, just someone with a power saw and a willingness to help out a fellow music lover, hence my query. With your mindset though, seems like a waste of $$$ to bother with a dinky little co-ax [there are no little duplexes].
GM
im running 403's in 1217 cabs..6 per and 409's in 840 cabs..6 per, and they are loud! the 403,409 woofer section was based on the 755 woofer and ive seen them in open baffle placements. i will agree that the tweeter section of the 409 is a bit harsh but if one ran a 403 and a 409 in the same cab, double woofers and one tweeter...920's sound great and compared to the 617 duplex, it is abit smoother, however, all that being said.. a 15/ horn combo is deffinetely the way to go. dont waste your time or cabinet guys time with less...and then stuff them in the living room. seriously, i'll never understand all this 'waf' shite..ffs
Great 'notable family moment' video, but my guess is those aren't 416s in those m19s.
My sentiments exactly ! Go For It !Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
I'm not sure how a 403 could be 755 based? Anyway a pair of 409 on e-prey this morn...
Two Vintage Altec 409 8 Inch Speakers L@@K | eBay
replaced the 755..
Do you have a citation to support this?Quote:
replaced the 755..
They made 755's AND 409's simultaneously for a span of several years. That one "replaced" the other does not wring out in my mind.
IMO, by virtue of it's cone alone the 755 is a very different creature with it's mid compliance/mechanical crossover. The 755 was simply discontinued.
Simply not true as they were made concurrently. eBay posters claim what you say. But they are wrong. The two have different frames, cones and voice coils, so don't see how they are related.Quote:
Originally Posted by valhallax
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i've often wondered why, if the 755 was 'all that', and ive never heard one.. it was discontinued, and altec stayed with the 403 motor? but ive seen tons of fender champs with a 403 in it
Never looked at a price sheet? You could buy several 403's for the price of a 755. The 755 started out a LOT better for a LOT more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by valhallax
History is littered with products that got too expensive for the market, and improving materials made cheaper models better than before. At the 755's inception better designs were needed due to amp power available, materials and QC. By the 60's cheaper designs could be built that sounded almost as good.. The later 755's are not better than early ones, IMHO they were cheapened.
If the 403 was sold/made for the same applications, and was made later, then in my mind the 403 replaced the 755. Materials/designs/whatever is irrelvant. On the other hand, I don't think it matters too much. We all know the reason why sellers like to say the 403 replaced the 755..... MONEY. A 755A is worth a ton of money, and the 403 is not. It's the same as sellers mentioning Altec when selling University products.
they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by valhallax
honest to G-D,
they sound like an electrostat.
even the ceramic versions.
they beam tho ...
quite true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
at mc gee radio in 1966,
a 755c could be had for just under $31 us.
an 8 inch stamped steel frame speaker
was available for $ 1.95.
need 25 for the ceiling in your grocery store,
to keep the Muzak flowing?
(or make sure that busted jar of 'spin blend' gets cleaned up)
$775 for the altecs or $48.75,
for whatever the others were.
you can see the difference.
Hole in your argument was it was sold at the same time, I posted a link to the catalog page. The 755 was discontinued because it just got too expensive. But Altec did NOT stop making one and make the other. For a long time you could buy either. BTW the 755 did not get discontinued till Altec's money problems began. It was a casualty of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill
I don't see that as a flaw. If Altec sold the 403 for the same applications as the 755, after the 755 ceased to be made, then it replaced the 755. The original design/marketing intentions don't matter at that point. Post 755, if someone wanted an 8" speaker for a 755 application, then the 403 was it, hence the 403 replaced the 755. Unless there was some other 8" Altec sold too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
I felt obligated to post these..
Xantech Altec MODEL A 1080 car speakers | eBay
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AB please feel free to move this to the other thread. My view only shows recent posts and I can't get search to bring it up.
One of our helpful denizens posted:
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Being so lazy I likely won't show up for my funeral, it occurred to me, when writing just copy and paste this:
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Open the picture in another tab or window, right click then copy image location (this copies its URL)... place cursor in center of above and paste....
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Done .....
:) What you did works fine, I was thinking the image thread but it wouldn't come up in search even with several keywords...Hmm- is it OT threads that are excluded in search?
Thanks!