Altec Lansing A7 Voice of the Theater Speakers Horns 511
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Description says Altec woofers, but the pics do not show Altec woofers. Wonder if you get what's in the description, or what's in the pic?
Makes sense to me that you get what's in the pics. Those are Altec 421 woofers in there. At least that's what they look like to me.
Ribbed cones, 4 inch voice coils/dust caps......................... not any version of a 421 that i'm aware of.
421 has a nice smooth cone from the edge of it's 3 inch dust cap out to the surround, in the pic you can see that only a small area outside of the dust cap is smooth.
If you told me they looked like JBL E-140's or K-140's, i'd be a believer.
They do look a bit JBL-ish
Oh, I didn't see any ribbed cones or anything. If that's what the cones look like then yes, JBL. I have several pairs of 421 woofers and that's what the pic looked like to me. Maybe someone should enlarge the picture to see if they are ribbed cones. Too hard to really tell. Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
Enlarging the pic is a lost cause, CL pics are lo res.
I know that... That is why I didn't attempt it.
If you've ever seen a 421 mounted in an 825/828 cabinet, it should be immediately obvious that those dust caps are far too large to be 421's.
Take a look at the 1208B in the '75 pro catalog, or the 1236 in the '78 pro catalog to get a sense of the correct scale of the 421 dust cap in that opening.
Well, I DO have a set of PA version of the A7 with 421 woofers in them and 511B horns. So I do know what they look like. It's not that big of a deal to me either way. Just wondered why everyone was making such a big deal out of it and coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an Altec woofer. That's all.
Because a JBL speaker in an ALTEC cabinet is sacriligious!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hemicuda
For those familiar with the products, the conclusion is easily reached.Quote:
Just wondered why everyone was making such a big deal out of it and coming to the conclusion that it wasn't an Altec woofer.
The "big deal" is that it's an ad selling something where the photo directly contradicts the description.
For some folks this is also a factor. Although in the marketplace, i'd value a good working pair of E-140's considerably higher than any version 421. That is not to suggest that one woofer is better than the other, it's simply relative to their performance in a resale market.Quote:
Because a JBL speaker in an ALTEC cabinet is sacriligious!!!!
There is also the remote possibility that those are indeed 421's, albeit with grossly incorrect parts used to re-cone them. I think it's unlikely, but to be fair i do recognize that remote possibility having seen some pretty odd cone kits slapped in Altec woofers in the past.
I am very familiar with Altec speakers and love them. I own 3 pairs and won't sell them because they are excellent. To me they are the best. That's why I'm a member here. Either way, I'm not going to have a stroke if someone does put another brand woofer in Altec cabinets. I've seen that happen MANY times in the past. The bad thing is that they always use just whatever fits. JBL isn't so sac-religious in an Altec cabinet to me. It could be worse believe me! It's not the end of the world. Each to his own. I don't like when someone says something is original and it's obviously not. But I'm not going to lose sleep over it and act like they've commited a murder... Just my 2 cents worth.
I'm glad to hear that, because, well, i'm guilty of it.Quote:
JBL isn't so sac-religious in an Altec cabinet to me.
Like automotive subwoofers.Quote:
The bad thing is that they always use just whatever fits.
FWIW, i have a message in to the CL seller asking him to identify the driver compliment. Maybe, we can get a positive ID on what's in there.
Seller wrote back, claims they're 421's. So, they've either been reconed with non-Altec parts, or the woofers have been swapped outside of his knowledge or recollect. He'd take a grand cash, has multiple compression drivers to choose from. Sounds like a reasonable seller, i really didn't want to ask a whole lot of him since i'm not an interested buyer. Might be worth somebody's while to check out his model 19 deal if you're reasonably located.
I'm surprised he's barely listing anything about his Model 19's in his CL ad. No photos and not much text etc. I would think those would be easier to sell--more demand and he's shooting himself in the foot the way he's (barely) listing them.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
HAHA - So I wasn't so ignorant after everything was said and done then! I said they were 421 woofers in my first post...Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
I don't think it's as sacrilegious as putting say an EV in an Altec cabinet though. Maybe the chrome caps got pushed in by somebody so they glued larger ones over top of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by juniper
And have yet to offer any evidence to support your claim.Quote:
I said they were 421 woofers in my first post...
You have missed the entire point of the exercise. They do NOT have 421 cones, and are likely NOT 421's at all. Until the seller offers pics of the actual woofers from behind, they could be nearly anything. Improperly re-coned 421's are only one possibility, and i don't give that possibility a lot of creedence.
If you want to take the seller's word at face value, that's entirely your prerogative. I know better.
Larger caps would have covered the VC leads on a stock 421. I've replaced 421 metal domes with Altec vented paper caps which are a bit less than 4 inches in diameter, they completely cover the voice coil leads. The dust caps shown are at least 4 inch, and the VC leads are still visible.Quote:
Maybe the chrome caps got pushed in by somebody so they glued larger ones over top of them?
Also, the 421 cone has a smooth, consistent surface profile. The cones in the pic obviously do not.
The possibilities: They could be 421's that were re-coned with a Waldom or other cheap ass kit that doesn't belong there. Check ebay, there are incorrectly re-coned Altec woofers on there often.
The other distinct possibility which i find more likely as the VC leads shown outside the 4 inch dust cap strongly suggest a 4 inch voice coil resides under there, is that they are JBL E130/E140 or K140's.
Well,yes. But could be severely mutilated 421's. It should be made a great deal. Would you not want to know if you are going to spend $250 on repairs? Seller says he will take a grand per Bowtie, that means a possible $1250 total. You can buy an MI pair pretty much any day for $1250, so might be better to spend $1100 on a set in better shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemicuda
I was kidding gentleman, I would run any speaker anywhere if it sounded better.... I have only heard one pair of JBL's and they sound very different than Altecs, but sounded nice. I have been looking for a pair of 1500al's for awhile and a pair of 4435's in mint condition and 250ti limited edition, one of these days they will show up...Quote:
Originally Posted by juniper
I can't speak for everyone, but i was pretty confident that you were just "tuggin' antlers".:DQuote:
Originally Posted by juniper
It's as simple as this to me people. What is such a big deal to everyone if they aren't interested in buying them??? If I was interested in buying them, then I'd simply take a look at the woofer from front and back before shelling out money (also the tweeters & crossovers). I think everyone is making a big deal out of nothing. I have better things to do than worry that someone on CL isn't fully disclosing the truth about what they have for sale. I still think they are 421 speakers because nobody has convinced me they aren't. I have to see and touch stuff myself to prove something. We can speculate all we want and keep this going forever. But what does it prove in the end??? We ALL love Altecs and are loyal to the brand; that's why we are here. Aren't there bigger fish to fry in the whole scheme of things? Does it matter that much? Can anyone really prove what they are without being there with them? No. I'm done with this senseless discussion. It's went on too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
Hemi... it's going to be o.k.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemicuda
I agree... Everyone having a stroke over something they aren't even interested in buying. Silly...Quote:
Originally Posted by juniper
I think you underestimate how many readers this board has. Pointing out flaws is good reading for newbies who need to learn what to look for.Quote:
Originally Posted by hemicuda
Can you explain to me how newbies learn things if we DON'T discuss them? Honestly, I think you are making too big a deal out of it. Otherwise why the post about being right? Just take a breath- probably sounds like people ganging up, which ain't real, from your viewpoint.
We do need to talk about basics, not everybody is at the same knowledge level.
sounds like a better deal in buffalo, no pics
ALTEC A7 WITH 421-8 WOOFERS, 511 HORNS 808-8A DRIVER,X OVER
Agreed... I'm over it and have been. Just wish everyone would take a deep breath and relax. I love my Altecs and wouldn't take anything for them. That's why I'm here. I've learned a lot just by reading on here so I can see your point. Just seemed to me like it was blown up into something that nobody could prove either way. Pretty much useless thread in the whole scheme of things. I respect you and your opinion Old Guy so everything is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
Great! Back to speakers then...
I guess I've been late to this party ? :emot152: OK Gentleman calm down.. 'Tis the Season ! :emot29::emot183:
What the heck is an 808-8A? Is there (or I wish there was) a simple chart showing the different motors, and then the different diaphragms that when mated to them make up the various designations that was easy to read.
Wouldn't that be a 1236 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
808-8a: = 8 ohm 808A :
Altec
PS. AB this link was not as easy to find . Bill has passed on, I hope we can save his Altec pages for the User's Board library.
It's a cute list.Quote:
Originally Posted by mah
But, it isn't quite complete, and the descriptions are a bit short of comprehensive.
"Sounds fabulous" as a descriptive term in a database?
Just my .02........................ not intended to induce cardiac problems.
My drivers have no labels or stickers on them. That chart would be more usefull if it listed the depth and diameter of the motors so we could cross-reference them as well as the diaphragm numbers. I like flow charts personally.
Isn't AB a computer wizz on accell? :)
I put together an Altec driver cross-reference. Perhaps a good start would be to make such threads sticky?
I just noticed 299 not there. And the not so common 292 (short 290)
Thanks OG. I've been working on a significant update to these charts with better info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
I will insert those you mentioned as well.
I have them all saved already.. I was thinking the same thing (About Bill Meckle's Pages)..Whenever I come across anything that is Altec related I try to save it to disk. I have 4 external drives I use a lot for saving info, plus the drives on my computers.. 8.7 TB's total.. :smile2:Quote:
Originally Posted by mah
Funny how one letter makes a huge difference. 808 8("b") can be converted to an 802 8g with a correct diaphragm change. The 808 8("a") can not. Different motor/magnet size.Quote:
Originally Posted by VolvoHeretic