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This pair even comes with a 50 kg granite stone slab (and an "interesting" claim about it's properties)! :p
A Pair of Altec Lansing Model 19 incl 416 8B 811B 902 8B Near Mint | eBay
Interesting configuration by the way--alnico woofers and ferrite h.f. drivers--maybe manufactured during their transition from Alnico to ferrite? (or maybe replacement drivers?).
Check out the background of the photos.....
my brothers mother in law lives right down the road. no kidding.
The HF drivers converted to ferrite first. I suspect engineering them was easier.
FWIW- The 902's I believe should have been 902-8A's. IMHO they are replacements. If they have the 416-8B's that are original to those 19's then they should also have the 033952 or 802-8G's.. In the case of the M19 Altec never mixed ferrite with alnico drivers IMO.
"In United States, you make big speakers. In Russia, speakers make you big!" Yes, I'm writing material for Yakov Smirnoff now. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
chicks dig big speakers :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
................... and if they did, i would expect the combo to be ferrite woofer(416-8C) and alnico HF. I've seen more than one pair of 19's with ferrite woofer and alnico HF with owners swearing they're original. I have no clue if they're original, but we even have a member here with such a pair of 19's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
Logically, 802/808 motors were produced in larger quantities than 416-8B. 416-8B's would have been the first component to go scarce, IMO.
This type of scenario don't surprise me. I know Altec would sometimes use the drivers they had on hand as their inventory permitted especially when transitioning from one style/model driver to it's replacement. AFAIK this became even more common towards the "end" of Altec's existence.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
Yeah, chics do but wives don't always!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
What do you guys think of the sellers claim that a 50 kilogram granite slab helps make the Model 19's bass "sound even more prominent & obertonal"? Maybe it helps his 19's to make the floor vibrate more? I wouldn't want that type of bass enhancement. Also, what does "obertonal" mean??
thats because they turn on you, like an old dobie.Quote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
I think he meant to say overtonal, and yes I have heard the same claim even from Greg. It is supposed to help the bass but more probably by coupling the speaker better to the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
https://www.google.com/#q=adding+wei...f+a+speaker%3F
Hmm, 110 lbs might be enough for a M19. No clue what 'obertonal' might be unless it refers to 'overtones'. Regardless, mass loading speakers basically 'squashes' [damps] cab vibrations, making them acoustically more efficient and considering how 'lossy' the M19's construction is it will probably audibly 'tighten' them up. It's most audible with the now popular tall, skinny [ML]TLs for small, medium size drivers or stand mounted 'monkey coffins' and I found no benefit to already really heavy, rigid cabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by voice of the theater
I've done, recommended this tweak ever since I built my first tower/column/[ML]TL back in the '60s when I heard a major difference after placing some heavy potted plants on top to do some damping experiments with drooping foliage, which is very WAF compliant IME, but AFAIK nobody on-line gave any credence to it until a pro designer out of Texas did a quick test by pinning a ~ 2 ft tall stack of vinyl LPs with a dumbbell weight to the top of one of his creations.
GM
"oberton' does seem to equal the word "overtone" in parts of Europe.
Yes, German: dict.cc dictionary :: Oberton :: German-English translation
Also a line of drivers: Strassacker: Speaker Building, Components
http://www.oberton.com/
Oberton speakers aren't bad. I strongly suspect some connection with BMS, just not sure what it is.
I found the quote below at the Audiogon forum and then read Cradeldorf's and Greg's posts here. I'd never heard of this concept--makes sense that putting a heavy weight on top of a speaker will help minimize cabinet vibrations.....Quote:
Originally Posted by GM
"05-03-08: Psacanli
Not too argue.
The speaker pistons create vibration.
Vibration is not helpful for good sound.
Mass will absorb vibration.
A leather bag of lead shot and sand will work well.
As heavy as structures allow;in this case there's
no such thing as "too much of a good thing"."
One more reason that stacking speakers has helped the sound of my system. Who knew that putting the Santana II's on top of my Model 19's would be an upgrade even if I disconnect the speaker wires from the Santana II's!
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Imagine how good the Santana II's would sound with the Nineteens on top of them. :D
I just noticed the 2nd pic is a series 1 Santana II(old style steel frame woofer?) and the 1st pic that pair is series 2. How many do you have?
Too funny! I've got two pair of Model 19's and two pair of Santana II's. After I bought my first pair of Model 19's for my basement rec-room/mancave, I liked them so much I bought a second pair of 19's for my basement recording studio (the big room). I found my first pair of Santana II's locally and practically stole them--when I stacked them on top of the Model 19's and played them simultaneously there was a noticeable improvement in overall sound--especially bass and mids. So, for over a year I searched for a second pair of Santana II's and when I found this mint pair (with the newer style woofer frame) I bought them and put them on top of my other pair of 19's. I still have my Model 14's in the living room--perfect size for that room and with the wide dispersion of the Mantarays they really sound great in every seat in that room--those 14's rival the 19's in many ways.......Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtie427ss
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