Guilty as Charged!!!

Moderator's note....

Due to the incessant spamming of this forum by a small group of individuals who seem to share a certain "characteristic", the following people are being banned for a week.

Matt Pacini
Andreas
Jukasil
Cranium
Mike Brantley
Mattias
Cameraguy
Super-8 Booster

I think it's great that Roger has made a product that makes some Super-8 Filmmakers happy, however, there seems to be a small group of Workprinter Devotees who just can't seem to discuss Super-8 topics on this forum in a civil manner.

When a workprinter owner's overall objectivity gets compromised because of their workprinter ownership or future ownership, they contaminate the Super-8 world and in the end are NO DIFFERENT than some of the professional Super-8 businesses that they have condemned on a regular basis, and we know who THAT IS.

You are them, they are you.

If you ever want to acknowledge that you let your business dealings get in the way of your ability to be helpful and communicate on this super-8 forum, you will be welcome to post here.

Proof, here's proof. Cameraguy and Super-8 Booster have deleted everyone of their posts on this forum. Ask them why. Hear how ridiculous their reason is.

I suppose it's not wise to spend a grand or more on a Workprinter and then ever speak against the owner of the product in public. So continue to be the lemmings that you are, and continue to scare off newbies who just want questions answered and who's world does not revolve around the workprinter the way it revolves for a few of you.

Continue your lies about me on other forums that you know I cannot respond to, and justify that form of censorship however you feel you need to justify it.

<font color="#7BC618" size="1">[ October 12, 2003 12:49 AM: Message edited by: Alex ]</font>

Cause Alex banned me from his f u c k i n g board, I use my wife's login name.

This is the last message to you Alex:

Get a life!

You're an totally idiot.

"Veda aija itses jojoon!"

Did you ban also others writers? That nice, you're probably very happy cause now you can write alone with yourself!

BTW. you didn't answer that question!

Well jukkasil, I see you're so anxious to post you couldn't wait even two hours!

Now lets work on having something to say that relates to super-8 filmmaking. [img]graemlins/camera.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/film.gif[/img]

Hey Alex,

I owned a workprinter for awhile, and I'm currently using Roger to transfer some of my stuff. So what's the deal? Why am I not on that list? I think it's a compliment to be on the list.

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I'm banning every one of you listed above for one week. After a week I'll remove the ban and you will be welcome to post here and promote Super-8.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">By the way, you don't have to remove my ban after a week.

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http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/...7249349a0968f8

I'm sorry, but this led me back to here. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I'm looking forward to discussing some topics on super 8!

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Originally posted by Corey D.:
Hey Alex,

I owned a workprinter for awhile, and I'm currently using Roger to transfer some of my stuff. So what's the deal? Why am I not on that list? I think it's a compliment to be on the list.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="verdana, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">I'm banning every one of you listed above for one week. After a week I'll remove the ban and you will be welcome to post here and promote Super-8.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">By the way, you don't have to remove my ban after a week.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">Gosh Corey, you're not on the list. You willing martyr, you!

Didn't you make a post complaining about a lack of Super-8 topics on this forum because of all the ruckus? If you did, then your comment above doesn't track with your previous sentiment.

Alex,

What are you doing? You're playing into they're hands. Banning people because they own a piece of equipment is out of bounds. You can ban them for language, threats or just dragging the forum/message board down, but because they own a hunk of gear is not cool.

As a friend of yours, I'm asking you to please reconsider this policy. I've tried to stay out of this because I don't know all the history, but I hope you can step back and look at the big picture. This is not going to help solve the problems here. Communications is the key, not cutting off dialogue.

Take care,

Scott

I think it's pretty clear to those who witnessed the actions of the last week that the people I've cut off have been nothing but antagonistic on this forum. Over the last week, not one post has been about Super-8 filmmaking out of the hundreds that that have been posted from these Workprinter "devotees".

Not once have they offered to answer a forum question from anyone. Not once have these workprinter devotees helped a newbie on this forum who had a question. No discussion about the upcoming Flicker Attack of the Fifty foot Films, no questions about the Super-8 pin-registered camera I recently discovered, nothing to do with anything about Super-8 filmmaking.

Cameraguy and Super-8 Booster actually deleted their posts on this forum a while back. It was a kneejerk reaction by two Workprinter devotees.

The Workprinter devotees aren't banned for owning or coveting a Workprinter, they are banned for losing all sense of fairness and respect to this forum and the forum moderator. They all concidentally seem to have Workprinter fetishes.

As much crapp as Chas has slung my way in the past, he's not on the list because I don't think he's a Workprinter groupie, and as a result, has displayed less hostility than the Workprinter ratpack, who seem to not know what to do with themselves but come here and harass this forum and
generate lies about MPD's and whether I shoot film or not.

May I point out that I have been accused of MPD, both on this forum and on other forums. On other forums they post this information as if it were fact when it is 100% false. I have also been accused of loving the made-up controversy by Roger from the past week, another false statement. In an effort to disprove that idiotic belief, I took the next step, which was banning those individuals who can't seem to contribute anything positive about Super-8 on this forum.

So as you can see, whichever course of action I take, there will be a group ready to criticize me. If I allow these harrassers to keep harassing this forum, I'm accused of enjoying the attention. If I
ban these yahoos, then it draws concern from those who didn't witness their inexcuseable behavior on this forum over the last week.

I'd rather see this forum's front page awash in actual Super-8 topics than the garbage and lies that have spewed from the likes of Matt Pacini and Roger this past week, and the only way I can do that is to ban the workprinter groupies and their Witchhunting leader.

I guess all I'm asking is you don't call them "workprinter" groupies because it sounds like you're banning them for owning a workprinter, not for actions you don't like. Hey it's your forum and you can do what you like.

Also, I was considering a workprinter for a while, but the project I was going to use it on fell apart.

Scott

If Roger were a real man, he would have started his own forum years ago, perhaps called it the "Workprinter Forum",
and when he posted there, he could talk about his workprinter, and when he posted elsewhere, he could let others have their space and not determine if every post was an anti-workprinter post or not.

The whole Super-8 community would have been better off.

But it would have taken someone with some real character to actually stand in one place rather than float around challenging anybody they don't like.

What a twit.

Thanks for your POV on Roger, but if Roger doesn't want to have a forum, it's up to him and I don't think he's any lesser a man for having or not having. Now maybe if he did have a forum it could be a tech support forum for his workprinter, but then again it could be viewed as a commercial for it.

Now as to him posting on forums about his product, if somebody mentions it and he being the creator and most knowledgable about it, he would be the best candidate to comment. If somebody has a problem with it he should be allowed to address that. If you made a video and somebody had problems and brought it up on the forum, shouldn't you be able to address that.

I'm late to all the anomosity between you the other posters, but anybody can see that there is bad blood between you and them. My advice is that this debate be taken off-line via email or some other form of communications. Now that doesn't mean banning people, it just means that a public message should be sent by some third party to announce that this issue be taken off-line. (I could be that person.) I think it would be benefical to the Super-8 community as a whole so that the focus could come back to Super-8. The key to this is that the parties involved agree to keep the matter private and off the forums.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Scott

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Originally posted by Scott Spears:
Thanks for your POV on Roger, but if Roger doesn't want to have a forum, it's up to him and I don't think he's any lesser a man for having or not having.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">In my opinion he is a lesser man because he throws his weight around because of his workprinter everywhere he goes. I think it gives him an identity. Rather than just put it out there on one forum, and then be a human being on the other forums, he PROLONGS arguments that have even a minimal relationship to his workprinter. He's like Robert Conrad in those Energizer Battery commercials when Conrad dares somebody to "knock it off his shoulder"

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Originally posted by Scott Spears:

Now maybe if he did have a forum it could be a tech support forum for his workprinter, but then again it could be viewed as a commercial for it.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">Not at all, it would be technically driven information based and useful to anyone curious about post production options. The Distinction with a Difference is that when Roger shows up on other forums, the need to discuss the workprinter would not be as necessary, and he could just be a regular guy not on the prowl against anyone who says anything that he doesn't agree with as it relates to his workprinter.

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Originally posted by Scott Spears:

Now as to him posting on forums about his product, if somebody mentions it and he being the creator and most knowledgable about it, he would be the best candidate to comment. If somebody has a problem with it he should be allowed to address that. If you made a video and somebody had problems and brought it up on the forum, shouldn't you be able to address that.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">Sometimes, there are newbie somebodies who just seemn to show up. Sometimes, the level of enthusism would be better served on an actual Workprinter forum rather than on all the other Super-8 forums.

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Originally posted by Scott Spears:

I'm late to all the anomosity between you the other posters, but anybody can see that there is bad blood between you and them. My advice is that this debate be taken off-line via email or some other form of communications. Now that doesn't mean banning people, it just means that a public message should be sent by some third party to announce that this issue be taken off-line. (I could be that person.) I think it would be benefical to the Super-8 community as a whole so that the focus could come back to Super-8. The key to this is that the parties involved agree to keep the matter private and off the forums.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Scott

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">Careful Scott, you could be me! [img]rolleyes.gif[/img]

I did try that email thing once with Matt Pacini, who proceeded to lie about our correspendence, and then Matt brought it back onto the Brantley forum in quite a dramatic fashion.

However, I completely agree with your sentiment.
And I have no bad blood towards these individuals.
I do however see Roger behaving like Ken Starr this past week.

Just so you know Roger, I spent over $1,500 writing 6 editorials and actually paying for them to be put in a local newspaper that bashed Kenneth Starr and his treasonous activities against President Clinton. I'm sure not going to be intimidiated by your past weeks impersonation of Ken Starr.

But do the right thing Roger, get your own Workprinter forum and perhaps there will be a lot more productive super-8 communication from the various Super-8 forums, er messaging centers.

Not so fast Shatzy...

Should Roger Get His Own Hostboard Workprinter Forum?

i'm not sure what your point is...

so i'll ignore it

I'm progressing the whole situation in the best possible manner, with Roger on the sideline so he can just watch for a change.

You don't seem to have much to say about the spamming that has occured on this forum, and how I cannot respond to lies that are being spread about me on other forums that I cannot respond to.

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Originally posted by Alex:
You don't seem to have much to say about the spamming that has occured on this forum...

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">(assuming you are asking me personally..)

why should i??
i didn't interfere with an ebay auction and
get caught. besides, there is a drastic difference
between the definition of spamming... and
harrassment. you are using the word out of
context... therefore, i COULDN'T speak about
spamming as i do not see any.

secondly, as already mentioned, this is your
board, you have administered your own personal
decision in regards to the consequences of what
you find unfair or against your ethics... therefore,
its not really up to me personally to comment
on it... although i will say that the barage
of comments/pestering would have happened if you:

A) didn't interfere

B) would have answered THE (lol) question, either
on a board or in your infamous PM jestures.


cmon, alex... you seem to think you are adult.
you can handle this matter, right?

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Originally posted by Alex:
...and how I cannot respond to lies that are being spread about me on other forums that I cannot respond to.

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<font size="2" face="verdana, sans-serif">this is not the first... or the hundredth time
this has been brought up over my entire history
at hostboard....
this is an extraneous issue that i am not apart
of. technically, you made your bed, you lie in it.

in alex's defense... he is mod and it is his board.
as i suggested on the admin board... a limited
banning schedule is the best way to blanket the
type of behavior/consequence system alex was
wanting in regards to his perimeters.

however, what is ironic is that alex is doing
exactly what he has complained about in regards
to those that have banned him -- banning them
then bad-mouthing them.

while i'm sure this will be dismissed in one
way or another, its still hypocrisy.

however, despite how i personally feel on the
issue, i must say that again, he is mod...
and this is his board.